The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

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"Assumed a Human Nature'" means He BECAME a human being.

LOL no.
Human beings...are Non existant, dust, and are created FORMS and then made Living with a soul, that belongs to God.

God Is eternal Life...
God Was NOT created.
God Is without beginning or ending.
God has this POWER thingy, that He can manifest Himself to APPEAR in the FORM LIKENESS as an Angel, a Man, a Human.

If neither of you geniuses can understand that, then I suggest you both enroll in an intensive English course . . .

Your Carnal Understanding is noted.
I'm quite sure God would like you to TRUST Him, and gain Spiritual Understanding....and Understand, God does NOT Change, and Yet He has the Power to APPEAR in the Form as a Man...

Glory to God,
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51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, see scriptures disagree with your catholic teaching ..why is you never post any thing but what the catholic teach. you never back anything up with scripture .. the old saying if you cant run with the big DOGS ..stay ON THE FRONT PORCH...Go eat your puppy chow with Milk ,, strong meat belongs to men.. milk belongs to newborn babes

The MYSTERY...inanutshell...

God IS UNSEEN Spirit without beginning or ending.
God IS Life.
Men are created Things, with a beginning and ending.
Men can not SEE God.

God IS the CREATOR...."AND"...MAKER.

That which God Creates...He MAKES ALIVE, and He MAKES DEAD...
AND "MAY" or "MAY NOT"...MAKE ALIVE "AGAIN"...
DEPENDENT on an "IF", "THEN" scenario.

The UNSEEN God APPEARED in a FASHION for the PURPOSE, that MEN "could see Him".

That "FASHION"...has BEEN...
The Appearence LIKE, men.
The Appearence LIKE, angels.
The Appearence LIKE, "A" man, specifically called, The Son of God.

MEN teach God IS A HUMAN MAN.
Mans Lie.
(BOL goes so far to ALSO Teach Jesus had Mary's DNA) lol ridiculous!
Scripture does NOT ever teach God Changed INTO A HUMAN man.
God DOES NOT CHANGE.
God HAS the POWER TO APPEAR IN the LIKENESS as a man.

The MYSTERY IS:
A NATURAL Man, IS Naturally LIMITED BY his Human EYES of WHAT he can See.

A SPIRITUALLY QUICKENED, and SPIRIT of God, INDWELT Man, IS SUPERNATURALLY, "NOT LIMITED" By WHAT God can SHOW the man.

WITHOUT me EVER SEEING Jesus with my human eyes...with my Quickened spirit, I can See Jesus is Spirit.

Ezra, without me ever seeing you with my human eyes...I CAN KNOW you are...
A sanctified body, restored soul, quickened spirit, justified to be redeemed and risen in glory.

The disciples Taught...They KNEW, Jesus AND eachother, AS they First saw Jesus and eachother; with their human eyes...

You Look like a man, men see a man.
Jesus looked like a man, men saw a man.

But ONCE Jesus was revealed the Christ, God, Spirit or ANY man IS revealed Quickened...
WHAT did the Disciples ... thereafter SEE?

SPIRIT.

Why are men claiming to be teaching the Gospel Truth, by claiming THEY KNOW Jesus IS a human man.

WEIRD.

2 Cor 5
[16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Having known Jesus after the flesh, was designed to be a "temporary" introduction.

Knowing Jesus IS the Christ, IS God, IS Spirit...was designed to be the "permanent" knowledge and understanding, and relationship.

Pretending the Past (having known) and Present (knowing) are the SAME current scenario...is false.


God Bless,
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[reformed1689]

You presented a link.
Try presenting your claim and Scriptural verification.
That Is Honesty.



Gen 1
[26] And God said, Let us make man...
[27] So God created man...

Gen 2
[3] God created and made.

Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, (CREATED)

Gen 2
[7] and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; (MAKING ALIVE...with A Soul)

Gen 2
and man became a living soul. (The CREATED THING MADE LIVING)

That ^ Created FORM, called A Man out from DUST...IS Temporary.

The LIFE of that FORM Is It's Blood.
Gen 9
[5] ...your blood of your lives will I require... I require life of man.

The LIFE that MADE that FORM LIVING, is A Soul, that Belongs TO God.
Ezek 18
[4] ...all souls are mine...

The LIFE In the Soul Is God Breath.
Gen [2]
7...LORD God...breathed into his nostrils the breath of LIFE...

John 1
[1] ...the Word was God.

Mal 3
[6] For I am the LORD, I CHANGE not ...

John 1
[14] And the Word was made flesh...

1 John 1
[2] (For the life was manifested, and we have seen IT ...

Phil 2
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, {Jesus Christ} being in the FORM of God...
[7] ... took upon him the FORM of a servant, ... made in the likeness of men:
[8] ...found {SEEN} in fashion as a man ...

What Was IT that Earthy men saw?

God IN the LIKENESS As a Created Man out of the Earth...

OR

God WHO IS a Created Man out of the Earth?

WHO IS declaring God IS an Earthly Human Man?

God or Men?

BE Honest!

Glory to God,
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I presented a link that gives EXACTLY what you asked for. The only dishonest thing is the fact that you won't even read it. That's just laziness.

 

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I presented a link that gives EXACTLY what you asked for. The only dishonest thing is the fact that you won't even read it. That's just laziness.

BOL claimed:
Jesus is A human.
(also: Jesus HAS Mary's DNA.)

You claimed you agree with BOL, that Jesus IS A HUMAN.

BOL gave a commentary.
You gave a link to a commentary.

Neither commentary said...
Jesus IS A HUMAN.

Both commentaries failed.

Why not give Scripture to support your claim?
BOL couldn't.

I did.

Glory to God,
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BOL claimed:
Jesus is A human.
(also: Jesus HAS Mary's DNA.)

You claimed you agree with BOL, that Jesus IS A HUMAN.

I have said Jesus is Spirit.
BOL disagreed.

BOL gave a commentary.
You gave a link to a commentary.

Neither commentary said...
Jesus IS A HUMAN.

Both commentaries failed.

Why not give Scripture to support your claim?
BOL couldn't.

I did.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[reformed1689]

Neither commentary said...
Jesus IS A HUMAN.

Obviously you did not read my link since it does in fact say Jesus is human. Here is a direct quote: "What we find in the New Testament directly refutes this idea. We see that Jesus grew tired, got hungry, and thirsted. He had spatial limitations. He agonized, even suffered. He exhibited human emotions, intellect, and volition. He died. Christ was—and is—truly human."

Why not give Scripture to support your claim?

The link I presented is FULL of Scripture. So I did give Scripture to support my claim. You clearly didn't read it.

 

[Marymog]

And we also know from Scripture that Paul said even in his lifetime people started going away from their direct teaching and had to be corrected. So how do we know the ECF are right?

Hi David,

If the ECF's were not right then who, in your opinion, was right?

Docetism? Gnostics? Marcionism?

And who has the authority to decide?

Curious Mary

 

[reformed1689]

Hi David,

If the ECF's were not right then who, in your opinion, was right?

Docetism? Gnostics? Marcionism?

And who has the authority to decide?

Curious Mary

Scripture is right.

 

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Obviously you did not read my link since it does in fact say Jesus is human. Here is a direct quote: "What we find in the New Testament directly refutes this idea. We see that Jesus grew tired, got hungry, and thirsted. He had spatial limitations. He agonized, even suffered. He exhibited human emotions, intellect, and volition. He died. Christ was—and is—truly human."

The link I presented is FULL of Scripture. So I did give Scripture to support my claim. You clearly didn't read it.

Thank you for your direct commentary quote.

Where is that quote in Scripture?

 

[reformed1689]

Thank you for your direct commentary quote.

Where is that quote in Scripture?

THE WORD BECAME FLESH

 

[Marymog]

Ask them. When i go to the reformers its usually to defend them against some nonsense put forth by catholics.

Where is your evidence that the men of the Catholic Church teach nonsense and the men of the Reformation do not teach nonsense?

Some of the men of the Reformation AGREE with many teachings of the CC. Are they only right when they disagree with the CC?

Curious Mary

 

[reformed1689]

Where is your evidence that the men of the Catholic Church teach nonsense and the men of the Reformation do not teach nonsense?

Some of the men of the Reformation AGREE with many teachings of the CC. Are they only right when they disagree with the CC?

Curious Mary

Because the Catholic church brings in ideas contrary to scripture, like the Immaculate Conception. Was Mary Sinless?

 

[Marymog]

Why do you assume that is who we go to for our authority? We go to Scripture.

Hi David,

Because your interpretation parrots theirs!!

The men of the Reformation went to Scripture also. So when they come up with a different interpretation of Scripture than you do who is right? Your or them?

Can you see how your argument (We go to Scripture) is one big circle that leads to YOU always being right?

Curious Mary

 

[reformed1689]

Can you see how your argument (We go to Scripture) is one big circle that leads to YOU always being right?

No. I have corrected thinking on certain things over the years BECAUSE OF SCRIPTURE.

 

[Marymog]

It's not theory. Did you read the whole post? I'm not going to entertain the question with an answer because the arguments stand on their own merits. The logical fallacies of Ad Hominem or an Appeal to Authority are pointless.

In other words, the scholarship is impeccable. Refute the argument if you think you can.

I did read the entire post. That is why I asked from whom did you receive this theory because it is a theory (Definition of THEORY)

Is it YOUR theory or are you repeating the teachings/theory of someone else?

If your argument stands on their own merits then that means that you believe what you wrote is not a theory and that it is an undeniable fact. Do you believe what you wrote is an undeniable fact?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Scripture is right.

It takes man to interpret Scripture. You seem to believe you are the man to properly do that.

Since it is clear that you are unable to defend your theory.....I digress.

 

[Marymog]

Because the Catholic church brings in ideas contrary to scripture, like the Immaculate Conception. Was Mary Sinless?

Thank you David.

Your theory is that "the Catholic church brings in ideas contrary to scripture"!! Fair enough!!

Who decides what is contrary to Scripture? OR How is it decided what is contrary to Scripture? The Majority rules the day and decides?

Patient Mary

 

[reformed1689]

Since it is clear that you are unable to defend your theory.....I digress.

I'm sorry, what theory?

 

[reformed1689]

Thank you David.

Your theory is that "the Catholic church brings in ideas contrary to scripture"!! Fair enough!!

Who decides what is contrary to Scripture? OR How is it decided what is contrary to Scripture? The Majority rules the day and decides?

Patient Mary

Scripture interprets itself and is plainly understood. For example, Mary was not sinless. Was Mary Sinless?

 

[Marymog]

No. I have corrected thinking on certain things over the years BECAUSE OF SCRIPTURE.

So you are fallible.....Which means I should not trust anything you say about Scripture.

I presume the Holy Spirit is guiding you to your "corrected thinking"? Why didn't the Holy Spirit guide you to the Truth the first time?

If your "corrected thinking" is different than what has been taught for 2,000 years....whom should I believe? You, the admitted fallible man?