Scripture is not the last word.

[Episkopos]

We are given a sealed complete revelation in the scripture.
Believers are given the Spirit of God to allow us to understand those portions of the word that we need.
The Apostles alone were guided into all truth.jn16:13
Any truth that comes our way is from their word, 1jn 4:1-6

This is so sad...to have this kind of lack of hope of the relationship with the living God.

It's like seeing a very popular band (say the Beatles) and thinking...I could never play like that....I could never write songs like that. It is taking the experience in a negative way as opposed to a positive way.

We are to let the words of the apostles inspire us to faith, hope and love...so that we continue the story. We are to go as far or further than they did. That is to abide faith and hope.The possibilities just became endless, by faith in God. That's what eternal life is...eternal possibilities.

And in the end what counts is our real connection to God. Stephen wasn't an apostle or elder...yet he had a vital connection to God...doing signs and wonders. Did he allow the apostles to discourage him from exploits?

So then all followers of Christ have that potential...IF they abide faith in God through Whom we can really do ALL things. With Jesus Christ I can do all things. Nothing is impossible for he who believes.

Unless you can move onto the living God...you are not reading or using the bible correctly.

 

[ScottA]

The Apostles were promised to be guided into all truth.
They were.
The scripture is now sealed for our protection.
Scott A and others like him ignore that protection to his own peril.
Most who do this are led by the flesh, and cannot quote or open up scripture accurately as we have seen.
The lesson is jn17:17.

1. No. The apostles were chosen to take the things Jesus said to the ends of the earth, every nation and every tribe.
2. They started, but it was others who finished it, and still do.
3. No. That veil is torn down by the blood of Christ, in whom we have access to all truth. Yea, we who are in Him have the mind of Christ.
4. No. You who place limits on the Spirit and hinder those who would receive to the full, do so to yourselves and bring aid to the wicked.
5. No. It is those who live by the letter who live by the flesh and are blind to the scriptures in spirit. But those who live by the Spirit have the words written in their hearts, which is the scriptures fulfilled.
6. The whole truth, is: "My words are spirit."

 

[ScottA]

We are given a sealed complete revelation in the scripture.
Believers are given the Spirit of God to allow us to understand those portions of the word that we need.
The Apostles alone were guided into all truth.jn16:13
Any truth that comes our way is from their word, 1jn 4:1-6

Oh, the irony...and the error and deception. That is not the gospel message at all.

Jesus has not left us orphans as you describe, but has promised to come to us, to be in us and us in Him, to send another Helper to guide us in to all truth (not 12 men who would write some and not all and then die leaving the remaining generations without all, when it was all that was promised and more).

 

[Wafer]

We often hear that the test of any comment or doctrine is scripture, and certainly it is a good test. It's just not the last word, nor is it the best test. Nor should it be considered our last line of defense.

That is an astounding statement for someone who claims to be Christian. You are casually discarding God's word.

Whatever God says, there is always someone who thinks he has a better idea.

 

[justbyfaith]

It also shows you have no idea what I am posting about,

Sorry if I am a little stupid...but I think that also the reason why I don't know what you are posting about is that you are not being clear. So elaborate for me, please...I'm dense when it comes to things that the Spirit isn't saying.

The Apostles alone were guided into all truth. John 16:13

That verse is a promise of holy scripture written down for all of us to grab hold of...

See Hebrews 11:33, 2 Peter 1:3-4, 2 Corinthians 1:20, and Romans 4:20-22.

 

[justbyfaith]

That is an astounding statement for someone who claims to be Christian. You are casually discarding God's word.

Whatever God says, there is always someone who thinks he has a better idea.

It is not discarding God's word to live by the following:

Jhn 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40, And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

It is fine and good to search the scriptures in order to be able to find the Lord; but if upon finding Him you do not come to Him, it will avail for you nothing.

Being born again is a relationship with a Person, not a book.

Yes, that Book is His love letter to us while He is away. Therefore we can cultivate our relationship with the Person while reading the book.

It also stands as the final authority on every issue.

Nevertheless, consider the following:

Rom 7:6, But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2Co 3:6, Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[ScottA]

That is an astounding statement for someone who claims to be Christian. You are casually discarding God's word.

Whatever God says, there is always someone who thinks he has a better idea.

You misunderstand.

I am not at all contradicting God's word, or suggesting that it is not true. I am rather hoping to wake Christians up to the complete word of God (as it is written) to include the end of the matter, which was promised to us by Christ in leading us into all truth by sending the Holy Spirit. Which some will argue was finished with the writings of the apostles, which is not true because it falls considerably short of what "the world itself could not contain."

So then, since Jesus has said that "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now", and that "all truth" would come by the Holy Spirit, beyond what the world can contain, just as Paul said, we should "press on to perfection"...as we should indeed do, and to do so does not take away or add to the word of scripture, but "fulfills" it in accordance with Christ's own claim and clarification against the same sort of false accusations. This is in fact the full counsel of God and what is written, which many deny, being blind to those things of the Spirit for lack of discernment, and which is against the full promise of Christ (which is to say, anti-Christ).

 

[Jon Mathews]

We often hear that the test of any comment or doctrine is scripture, and certainly it is a good test. It's just not the last word, nor is it the best test. Nor should it be considered our last line of defense. To do so, is to admit that we do not understand where we are in God's master plan of revelation, and that we do not have the Holy Spirit leading us unto all truth.

If we are under the impression that the scriptures are the final authority, the tie-breaker during these days...we are behind the times. Jesus made it clear that His "words are spirit." Moreover, by walking out the scriptures that were written of Him - He was put to death. You could say, what He did [by the word] according to the scriptures, was all that was humanly possible. For if a perfect Christ could not do perfectly according to the scriptures without being killed for it - there is nothing more or better that can be done. But, He did not leave it there.

Jesus told us exactly what the next phase was to be during these times - and it was not that we should keep referring back to the scriptures as the final say. No, after doing all that was humanly possible - in other words, by word, and by the scriptures - He very specifically stated that His last words would come as follows:

John 16:13
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."

Likewise, the apostle Paul wrote:

Hebrews 6:1-2
"Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

Therefore, the scriptures, yes, even the elementary principles of Christ...once they are elementary to our learning - are to be "left" behind, that we may go on to "perfection"...which comes by "the Spirit of truth", or not at all.

So...as we enter into discussion here, please know that the scriptures only go so far in determining "all truth" and the last word.

What then is the last word?

 

[ScottA]

What then is the last word?

The last Word is in spirit, in accordance with the Christ being the Last, "a life-giving spirit." But also, even the written word "discerned in spirit."

 

[Wafer]

You misunderstand.

I am not at all contradicting God's word, or suggesting that it is not true. I am rather hoping to wake Christians up to the complete word of God (as it is written) to include the end of the matter, which was promised to us by Christ in leading us into all truth by sending the Holy Spirit. Which some will argue was finished with the writings of the apostles, which is not true because it falls considerably short of what "the world itself could not contain."

So then, since Jesus has said that "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now", and that "all truth" would come by the Holy Spirit, beyond what the world can contain, just as Paul said, we should "press on to perfection"...as we should indeed do, and to do so does not take away or add to the word of scripture, but "fulfills" it in accordance with Christ's own claim and clarification against the same sort of false accusations. This is in fact the full counsel of God and what is written, which many deny, being blind to those things of the Spirit for lack of discernment, and which is against the full promise of Christ (which is to say, anti-Christ).

Ok, you don't mean to discardGod's word but that is exactly what you are suggesting.

2 Peter 1:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

"All things", get it? Nothing more can be revealed. Any revelation can only be a repetition or a restatement of previous revelations. Anybody who claims to have a new revelation is spouting stuff he made up himself. Either that or it came from Satan. There are only three sources of prophecy.

You should be teaching how to study the bible to get clear understanding.

 

[Jon Mathews]

The last Word is in spirit, in accordance with the Christ being the Last, "a life-giving spirit." But also, even the written word "discerned in spirit."

I agree the last Word is in Spirit. But what is that last Word?

 

[ScottA]

Ok, you don't mean to discardGod's word but that is exactly what you are suggesting.

2 Peter 1:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

"All things", get it? Nothing more can be revealed. Any revelation can only be a repetition or a restatement of previous revelations. Anybody who claims to have a new revelation is spouting stuff he made up himself. Either that or it came from Satan. There are only three sources of prophecy.

You should be teaching how to study the bible to get clear understanding.

You are assuming that passage means there is a limit to "all things", which would mean not "all things." You are purposing an oxymoron.

I am purposing that such scriptures be looked at and understood in the unlimited reality of God, which would then not be limited to what is written on tables, but what is also written in hearts, and those things of Christ which the world cannot contain. In other words, the full and complete word and promise of God.

See the difference?

 

[ScottA]

I agree the last Word is in Spirit. But what is that last Word?

The infinite I am. Which if put to words as men write and speak, could not be measured or contained by the world.

 

[Jon Mathews]

The infinite I am. Which if put to words as men write and speak, could not be measured or contained by the world.

Pretty much. The last Word is "Yahshua" which being translated is "I AM Salvation".

 

[ScottA]

Pretty much. The last Word is "Yahshua" which being translated is "I AM Salvation".

Hahaha...that's good! But then Jesus has come in the flesh and said, "It is finished." And rightly so, for He is the Last.

 

[ScottA]

This is so sad...to have this kind of lack of hope of the relationship with the living God.

It's like seeing a very popular band (say the Beatles) and thinking...I could never play like that....I could never write songs like that. It is taking the experience in a negative way as opposed to a positive way.

We are to let the words of the apostles inspire us to faith, hope and love...so that we continue the story. We are to go as far or further than they did. That is to abide faith and hope.The possibilities just became endless, by faith in God. That's what eternal life is...eternal possibilities.

And in the end what counts is our real connection to God. Stephen wasn't an apostle or elder...yet he had a vital connection to God...doing signs and wonders. Did he allow the apostles to discourage him from exploits?

So then all followers of Christ have that potential...IF they abide faith in God through Whom we can really do ALL things. With Jesus Christ I can do all things. Nothing is impossible for he who believes.

Unless you can move onto the living God...you are not reading or using the bible correctly.

Unfortunately, there are those who only see in part and believe part is all there is. As if every child of God (including the apostles) were not in Christ and Christ in the Father and One. In that partial perspective, they commit the ultimate violation of context, and the greatest irony, believing and propagating division within the One.

 

[tzcho2]

The word came out from the Father. The word “published” came out from Him who sent the word. He (the great Author and counselor) is the publisher. Not some man-made structure for printing and distribution of God’s word as the source. That same word returns not void of Spirit but contains Life. Not sure how you reduce it and lock it down as if to restrain the word from prospering and accomplishing in the thing whereto God sends it. For instance ...surely you study end time events and debate them and these how-ever they may increase happen outside of those who even read the Bible fulfilling the Word of God in the scriptures they do not read. How does a printed book bring about fulfillment of prophecy? Orchestrated events outside of the printed bible yet by the Word of God sent to prosper and accomplish and to fulfill His will on the earth?
Isaiah 55:11
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
2 Timothy 2:9
[9] Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.

The printed Bible is God's inerrant divine revelation to mankind. How is it that anyone could belittle that is beyond my understanding. Failing to understand that the word of God is exactly what it says it is. How is it that fallible sinful people think in their vanity that they are needed by God, or are needed to speak for God to accomplish His plan & purposes? it is embarrassing. Since before the foundation of the world, God has set forth plan to rescue humanity from themselves, their sins, & Satan's trap and that is through our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ on Calvary. Jesus is resurrected from the dead & is coming for His bride and then will return as the conquering King. If a person want the details, prayerfully study your Bible and find a good Bible believing church that preaches the full counsel of God & teaches Bible prophecy.

 

[marks]

You can write your own Bible . . . don't be overly surprised if you find few believe in it.

Much love!

 

[Jon Mathews]

Hahaha...that's good! But then Jesus has come in the flesh and said, "It is finished." And rightly so, for He is the Last.

Yes. He is the First and the Last Word of God.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

find a good Bible believing church that preaches the full counsel of God & teaches Bible prophecy.

Which church do you recommend?