Scripture is not the last word.

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

While I am unaware of any time that the Lord took anything out of context, it should be clear that Matthew quoted from Hosea 11:1, a scripture in which God's son, referred to Israel, and applied that statement to Jesus as being God's son.

Mat 2:14, When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Mat 2:15, And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

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Hos 11:1, When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Hos 11:2, As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.

In the original context in Hosea 11:1, the context clearly bears out that the son God called out of Egypt is Israel;

But Matthew, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, takes it out of context and applies the statement to Jesus' early stay of childhood in the country of Egypt.

Also, if you take a wild look at 2 Corinthians 9:6, I believe that you will see that the immediate context refers to financial sowing reaping and supports prosperity doctrine; but if you want to put a more orthodox spin to it you have to compare it to Luke 8:11 according to the spiritual hermeneutic found in 1 Corinthians 2:13, taking it out of its immediate context and instead applying the topical context.

Here is what you are missing that gives the biblical context;

Jesus is the Covenant Son...OT. Isreal was supposed to be, but failed like Adam failed.

look;
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

Jesus is the New Exodus, The True Israel, and Us In Him.

 

[justbyfaith]

Of course Jesus is the Son of God; and therefore Matthew was not inaccurate to apply Hosea 11:1 to Him.

It does not change the fact that he took that scripture out of its immediate context under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus is the New Exodus, The True Israel, and Us In Him.

Now I hope you aren't deifying the Us there now, are you?

 

[tzcho2]

Not interested. Thanks!

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Of course Jesus is the Son of God; and therefore Matthew was not inaccurate to apply Hosea 11:1 to Him.

It does not change the fact that he took that scripture out of its immediate context under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus is the Covenant Son...Israel failed

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Now I hope you aren't deifying the Us there now, are you?

No...we are in saving union with Christ. Do you understand what I am posting, or not???

 

[SovereignGrace]

My contention has nothing to do with complaining about real correction from the word of the Lord; but with the spirit that some "Christians" come across with that is basically abrasive and not according to the Lord's kindness. I would remind those posting that unbelievers are watching and that we are not exemplifying the virtues of Christ when we behave in such a manner.

I open myself up to any correction that you can offer from the holy scriptures concerning anything I have said. Up to this point, your "correction" has been faulty; it has not been able to stand against the scrutiny of the whole of scripture.

I know that I believe according to what the Bible teaches, and am no heretic;

but you (Calvinistic theologians), who have shown yourselves to not believe that Jesus is the door by which we enter, have three fingers pointing back at you when you point the finger and cry "heretic".

It should be clear that if grace can be obtained apart from faith (because grace in Calvinistic theology comes before faith), as some of you contend, that Jesus is not the door by which we enter.

However, the holy scriptures are clear, that Jesus said,

Jhn 10:9, I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Kindness? Kindness? You snakes! Does that sound kind? Does I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.[Galatians 5:12] sound like kindness? You need to grow up and quit being so easily offended.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Mal 3:6, For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Heb 13:8, Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Proof texting is your enemy. God speaks to us solely via His word. You want to hear from Him? Open your bible and read.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Show me.

Up to this point I have heard very much the accusing finger pointed at me; but no scriptural refutation of anything that I have said that you call heresy.

I am in good company with Paul the apostle:

Act 24:14, But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

You say the Father became the Son. That’s denying the Trinity.
You hold to God speaking verbally today. That’s deny the sufficiency of the scriptures.

 

[justbyfaith]

You say the Father became the Son. That’s denying the Trinity.

Nope. For I believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are distinct from each other. What I am denying is Tritheism; which you apparently affirm.

You hold to God speaking verbally today. That’s deny the sufficiency of the scriptures.

No, it is denying the sole sufficiency of the scriptures. There is a difference.

I hold that the scriptures are completely sufficient for everything that pertains to life and godliness.

But that God still speaks today is evident from God's inspired word:

1Th 5:19, Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20, Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21, Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Unless you want to say that the above scripture doesn't apply to us today; in which case you have a problem: how do you determine what does and doesn't apply to us today? it amounts to smorgasborg religion.

 

[justbyfaith]

Kindness? Kindness? You snakes! Does that sound kind? Does I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.[Galatians 5:12] sound like kindness? You need to grow up and quit being so easily offended.

You are self-justifying.

New Testament instances of the word:

2Co 6:6, By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,

Eph 2:7, That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Col 3:12, Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Tit 3:4, But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

2Pe 1:7, And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus is the Covenant Son...Israel failed

Jesus is the Son of God...

 

[justbyfaith]

Not interested. Thanks!

What exactly are you responding to?

 

[ScottA]

ScottA,

[Thank you for your confession of knowing that I was in fact quoting scripture,]

You misquoted scripture in that it was not on topic.
like this:
6 And the sea coast shall be dwellings and cottages for shepherds, and folds for flocks.

Good verse, but has nothing to do with our discussion.

You mean like when Jesus just added "and recovery of sight for the blind" to Isaiah's prophecy out of context? Or when He popped in with the seemingly crazy idea of being "born again" out of context with the resurrection? Or when He referred to Himself as the "Son of man" when He was the "Son of God" who was to be a "son of David?" Or like Paul speaking about marriage when talking about the church?

Or do you mean instead, how your lot is out of context when you all claim there are no more prophets, or visions, or spiritual encounters with God, when the scriptures say, "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit?"

[and for joining your fellows in failing the test of all spirits.]

Those Christians you mock all confess Jesus Is Lord. They post sound theology. The use verses correctly.

Speaking of correct use: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

[But for those who are reading on who might be taken in by your evil doings.]

Calling out false teaching and false posts is not an evil doing, but speaking the truth in love. We do not want to see you mislead or encourage others into your errors.

If it were my word against yours, you would have a say. But it's not. And it is not, because your selective limitation of the scriptures renders them void...and that is not going to happen. By limiting the word of God to the scriptures, which Christ said were not all He had to say, "you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered”, to your own shame. History and prophecy repeat.

[..No, anyone who wants to do a study to know the actual truth of Jesus' or the apostle's quotes of scripture, will find that they, in fact, were often quoting "fragments" "out of context" ]

The Lord Jesus Christ never took anything "out Of context" .This suggestion is very wicked.

That is because "out of context" is the wrong term. By your description, even Jesus did what was out of context. But as I showed above, the error was not on His part, it was on those who heard but did not understand...which was a fulfillment of "Hearing you will hear and shall not understand", just as it is now. Repeated here again.

But "wicked?" No, I would say, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."

[contrary to what was considered the correct context of the time.]
of course, the people were not saved

"And there is nothing new under the sun." Repeat, repeat, repeat. And you just happen to be on the wrong side of history.

Is that really what you want...to be counted with those who hinder the Spirit and the Word during these times of being lead into all truth, and those who tried to make it void by the spirit of anti-Christ?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Jesus is the Son of God...

That is a true and safe response.
It also shows you have no idea what I am posting about, but you oppose it anyway.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

You mean like when Jesus just added "and recovery of sight for the blind" to Isaiah's prophecy out of context? Or when He popped in with the seemingly crazy idea of being "born again" out of context with the resurrection? Or when He referred to Himself as the "Son of man" when He was the "Son of God" who was to be a "son of David?" Or like Paul speaking about marriage when talking about the church?

Or do you mean instead, how your lot is out of context when you all claim there are no more prophets, or visions, or spiritual encounters with God, when the scriptures say, "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit?"
Speaking of correct use: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."
If it were my word against yours, you would have a say. But it's not. And it is not, because your selective limitation of the scriptures renders them void...and that is not going to happen. By limiting the word of God to the scriptures, which Christ said were not all He had to say, "you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered”, to your own shame. History and prophecy repeat.
That is because "out of context" is the wrong term. By your description, even Jesus did what was out of context. But as I showed above, the error was not on His part, it was on those who heard but did not understand...which was a fulfillment of "Hearing you will hear and shall not understand", just as it is now. Repeated here again.

But "wicked?" No, I would say, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."
"And there is nothing new under the sun." Repeat, repeat, repeat. And you just happen to be on the wrong side of history.

Is that really what you want...to be counted with those who hinder the Spirit and the Word during these times of being lead into all truth, and those who tried to make it void by the spirit of anti-Christ?

The Apostles were promised to be guided into all truth.
They were.
The scripture is now sealed for our protection.
Scott A and others like him ignore that protection to his own peril.
Most who do this are led by the flesh, and cannot quote or open up scripture accurately as we have seen.
The lesson is jn17:17.

 

[Episkopos]

The Apostles were promised to be guided into all truth.
They were.
The scripture is now sealed for our protection.
Scott A and others like him ignore that protection to his own peril.
Most who do this are led by the flesh, and cannot quote or open up scripture accurately as we have seen.
The lesson is jn17:17.

You are claiming that the bible is the "one that comes to one's side" the Parakletos (Comforter) that Jesus is sending to His followers?

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

If you only have a physical book to rely on then you are as the world that has not received the Spirit. A physical man who is NOT spiritual in Christ can't see or know God.

Who guides us into all truth...as per Jesus?

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

For your scheme to work...you would have that Holy Spirit be the bible...a book. The book...as our comforter?

Is it surprising that most rational people would think you are out in left field with your erroneous claims?

 

[SovereignGrace]

The Apostles were promised to be guided into all truth.
They were.
The scripture is now sealed for our protection.
Scott A and others like him ignore that protection to his own peril.
Most who do this are led by the flesh, and cannot quote or open up scripture accurately as we have seen.
The lesson is jn17:17.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The word came out from the Father. The word “published” came out from Him who sent the word. He (the great Author and counselor) is the publisher. Not some man-made structure for printing and distribution of God’s word as the source. That same word returns not void of Spirit but contains Life. Not sure how you reduce it and lock it down as if to restrain the word from prospering and accomplishing in the thing whereto God sends it. For instance ...surely you study end time events and debate them and these how-ever they may increase happen outside of those who even read the Bible fulfilling the Word of God in the scriptures they do not read. How does a printed book bring about fulfillment of prophecy? Orchestrated events outside of the printed bible yet by the Word of God sent to prosper and accomplish and to fulfill His will on the earth?

Isaiah 55:11
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

2 Timothy 2:9
[9] Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

You are claiming that the bible is the "one that comes to one's side" the Parakletos (Comforter) that Jesus is sending to His followers?

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

If you only have a physical book to rely on then you are as the world that has not received the Spirit. A physical man who is NOT spiritual in Christ can't see or know God.

Who guides us into all truth...as per Jesus?

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

For your scheme to work...you would have that Holy Spirit be the bible...a book. The book...as our comforter?

Is it surprising that most rational people would think you are out in left field with your erroneous claims?

We are given a sealed complete revelation in the scripture.
Believers are given the Spirit of God to allow us to understand those portions of the word that we need.
The Apostles alone were guided into all truth.jn16:13
Any truth that comes our way is from their word, 1jn 4:1-6