Limited atonement is a false gospel

[amigo de christo]

Far from it my friend. There's no way I'm going to reject all the words that proceed from the mouth of God which is delivered to me by the Holy Ghost.

I wouldn't dare reject Him and His truth's. I love Him and His Word too much to refuse them. They are words of life sent from my Father direct to me. He doesn’t need a medium, a person or book to speak to me. He gave His Anointing to do this.

He or she who has ears to hear, hear what the Spirit says to your spirit, church.

Of course GOd speaks to the people . But if anything we hear contradicts What is already written in the scripture ,
GUESS what , IT AINT GOD we hearing from . Many often claim to hear from GOD
but upon examination of what they hear against the truth in scripture , THEY CONTRADICTING it , OH its not coming from GOD at all .
SO , when i say it is bible time , time to learn it . OH it surely is . For many
sure do hear a whole lot from GOD , OR WHO THEY THINK BE GOD ANYWAY
and it sure is contradicting HIS WORDS . The SPIRIT would do NO such thing .
SO hear what the spirit says to the churches and make sure ITS THE SPIRIT doing the speaking
cause many hear another voice and that voice sure seems to be the voice of a stranger . Just saying .

 

[Rockerduck]

Of course GOd speaks to the people . But if anything we hear contradicts What is already written in the scripture ,
GUESS what , IT AINT GOD we hearing from . Many often claim to hear from GOD
but upon examination of what they hear against the truth in scripture , THEY CONTRADICTING it , OH its not coming from GOD at all .
SO , when i say it is bible time , time to learn it . OH it surely is . For many
sure do hear a whole lot from GOD , OR WHO THEY THINK BE GOD ANYWAY
and it sure is contradicting HIS WORDS . The SPIRIT would do NO such thing .
SO hear what the spirit says to the churches and make sure ITS THE SPIRIT doing the speaking
cause many hear another voice and that voice sure seems to be the voice of a stranger . Just saying .

Have you ever talked with someone who said they talked with God? They didn't, the Holy Spirit talks to them. Jesus himself will talk to them, like Saul on the road to Damascus, God the father doesn't. John 16:13. If someone says the Holy Spirit told them something, ask them what the exact words are, because the Spirit will tell you exact words. If you have never had the Holy Spirit talk to you, don't make assumptions that you think you know about it when you don't.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Atonement is meant for all. However, it is limited in respect that it only profits those who have faith.

And that does NOT mean the Lord decides who will b e allowed to have faith for salvation as the calvinists falsely teach

God could withdraw His grace at any time.

Only if He were a liar refusing to honor what He has said.

RC Sproul writes;
Limited atonement is taught in Scripture.

He's a heretic, a servant of the devil sent to deceive

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Limited Atonement is FALSE
The false teaches cannot explain away these passages


Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

NOTE - Romans 8:29,30 is not saying all are automatically saved which would be the false doctrine of universalism, but rather is teaching us that God has in fact provided opportunity for all to be saved which is evident in the scripture references below

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

1 John 2:2
Jesus is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:1-4
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.


The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

 

[Rockerduck]

And that does NOT mean the Lord decides who will b e allowed to have faith for salvation as the calvinists falsely teach





Only if He were a liar refusing to honor what He has said.





He's a heretic, a servant of the devil sent to deceive

Who are you to Judge?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Who are you to Judge?

Who are you to ignore what God says in His Word?

Only the children of the devil ignore God's Word and seek to influence others to do the same.

This is what the tares do.

 

[Rockerduck]

Who are you to ignore what God says in His Word?

Only the children of the devil ignore God's Word and seek to influence others to do the same.

This is what the tares do. View attachment 61989

Who are you to Judge RC Spoul as a heretic.? examples, don't just say it. Use the bible and God's word.

 

[One 2 question]

Of course GOd speaks to the people . But if anything we hear contradicts What is already written in the scripture ,
GUESS what , IT AINT GOD we hearing from . Many often claim to hear from GOD
but upon examination of what they hear against the truth in scripture , THEY CONTRADICTING it , OH its not coming from GOD at all .

The scriptures will show otherwise. God does ask people to go against what is written.

 

[Rockerduck]

The scriptures will show otherwise. God does ask people to go against what is written.

There is not one book out of the entire 66 books of the bible, where God didn't tell someone to do something not written in scripture.

 

[Scott Downey]

Atonement of your sins means the forgiveness of them, meaning having the blood of Christ sprinkling on you
Back in the OT, the priests would sprinkle the blood offering of atonement on the people of God.
This was never done for those not of God.

1 Peter 1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To the [a]pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

A Heavenly Inheritance​

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance [b]incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been [c]grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not [d]seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.


Unbelievers do not have their sins forgiven, they die in their sin.
And that means hellfire waits them.

Atonement must necessarily always be limited to the believing otherwise you're going way beyond scripture and are a universalist.

Exodus 24, the BLOOD of the Covenant

3 So Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord and all the [a]judgments. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has said we will do.” 4 And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord. And he rose early in the morning, and built an altar at the foot of the mountain, and twelve pillars according to the twelve tribes of Israel. 5 Then he sent young men of the children of Israel, who offered burnt offerings and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen to the Lord. 6 And Moses took half the blood and put it in basins, and half the blood he sprinkled on the altar. 7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has said we will do, and be obedient.” 8 And Moses took the blood, sprinkled it on the people, and said, “This is the blood of the covenant which the Lord has made with you according to all these words.”

Hebrews 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the [j]general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

If you are not one of Christ's sheep then you have no part in God's New Covenant.

 

[Scott Downey]

Deuteronomy 21:8
Provide atonement, O Lord, for Your people Israel, whom You have redeemed, and do not lay innocent blood to the charge of Your people Israel.’ And atonement shall be provided on their behalf for the blood.

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Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’

Leviticus 8:15
and Moses killed it. Then he took the blood, and put some on the horns of the altar all around with his finger, and purified the altar. And he poured the blood at the base of the altar, and consecrated it, to make atonement for it.

 

[Scott Downey]

The main issue I have with what some say here, is people die with their sins already forgiven them if they do not believe in Christ, as in all their sins are atoned for.

Jesus said the opposite, and the apostles said in His name, believing in His name is preached the forgiveness of sin.

John 8

21 Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

22 So the Jews said, “Will He kill Himself, because He says, ‘Where I go you cannot come’?”

23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Luke 24

The Scriptures Opened​

44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, [l]and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city [m]of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”

 

[One 2 question]

There is not one book out of the entire 66 books of the bible, where God didn't tell someone to do something not written in scripture.

So are you saying that God tells people to go against what He formerly said?

 

[One 2 question]

S

There is not one book out of the entire 66 books of the bible, where God didn't tell someone to do something not written in scripture.

Some say God hasn't. But He shows otherwise.

Eg. Keep the Sabbath holy.
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

But God told the children of Israel to march around Jericho on the Sabbath.

 

[Rockerduck]

So are you saying that God tells people to go against what He formerly said?

God told Abraham to go to a new land. That wasn't in scripture. It was written down after. Jesus stopped Saul on the road to damascus, that wasn't in scripture, but it was written down afterwards. God told Joshua to take Jerico, but that wasn't in scripture until it was written down. Jesus sent out the 72, but that wasn't in scripture. The sermon on the mount, etc. Nothing was written down until after its done.

 

[Rockerduck]

S

Some say God hasn't. But He shows otherwise.

Eg. Keep the Sabbath holy.
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

But God told the children of Israel to march around Jericho on the Sabbath.

Jesus broke the Sabbath all the time. Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus also said use Himself as an example for us.

 

[Scott Downey]

So are you saying that God tells people to go against what He formerly said?

One example here​

12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.​

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood​

Need for a New Priesthood​

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For [d]He testifies:

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing [e]perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Greatness of the New Priest​

20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:

“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest [f]forever
According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),
22 by so much more Jesus has become a [g]surety of a better covenant.

 

[Rockerduck]

If the Holy Spirit tells you to do something, you are not going to check your bible first, you will obey what Christ commands you to do.

 

[One 2 question]

If the Holy Spirit tells you to do something, you are not going to check your bible first, you will obey what Christ commands you to do.

Sure. That's been my practice for a long time.

 

[Rockerduck]

Sure. That's been my practice for a long time.

I'm glad.