Christ Died for All

[Berean]

I studied in trinity religions, they tell all they go to heaven.

And there's your problem Keiw, you think you're the only Arians in the world

 

[Berean]

Ok this speaks of a future when Christ comes to earth. And literally has nothing to do with anyone's eternal Destiny. This earth still exists. and a new heaven and new earth had not been created yet

That's because a "new heavens" and "new earth" is not a literal one. What, you think God is going to destroy his dwelling place?

It's symbolic.

You still have not proven your point.

Show me where Noah, And Adam, And Elijah, and Moses and David etc etc will not be in heaven after this world is destroyed

Well, you haven't even attempted to prove your point!

So we'll agree to disagree until you can show me where all those you mentioned will be heaven.

 

[One 2 question]

Yes, these are the little flock( Luke 12:32)=the anointed bride of Christ=144,000( Rev 14:3)

John already found out who the 144,000 are and wrote it down.
Some would say it could be detrimental to anyone who adds or takes away from any revelation in his scroll.

But that up to you.


7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

bought from the Earth( to heaven) to sit on thrones as kings and priests by Jesus' side( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)

John told us who would reign with Jesus as kings and priests. They were redeemed from EVERY tongue, EVERY tribe, EVERY people and EVERY nation.

Not just from the 12 tribes of Isreal, EVERY tribe.

The ( John 10:16) other sheep who are not of that fold=the great crowd of Rev 7:9)

Are you saying that the original sheep of that original fold are the lost sheep of the house of Israel Jesus spoke of?

But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dear Eternally Grateful,
You said:
No. It represents the animals that would be sacrificed according to the law. And as Jesus said, it represents him hanging on a cross.

You are right when you said that the serpent of the pole represents the Old Covenant which is based upon man's attempt to make themselves righteous before the Law.

You are wrong in all areas here my friend.

The law was given as a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.
1. It showed how sinful we are - Cursed is the one who does not confirm and obey every word (sin once your out)
2. It showed what must be done to be redeemed, or have your sin atoned for. (animal sacrifice - without the shedding of blood)
3. It was abused, and misunderstood by a group of people into thinking it was by these works one is saved.

As for the serpent. Jesus in his own words shows you are in error

And AS moses lifted up the serpent. SO TO must the son of man be lifted up.

The serpent was the type of Christ. as was the animals being sacrified. as was the high priest. etc etc..

The law showed Christ..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Surely you would know God's Spirit He sent communicates with our enliven spirit.

This can involve our brain (processor) in our head.

Sometimes He has been known to download stuff like visions, dreams, languages that may even require a third part to interprete.

So I can't say how much the brain in our head is required.

The fact remains. Satan can come. and he can speak. and he can convince us he is god.

Stick to the word.. not words we hear in our head

Correct. He has never told me that.

People use this term but I'm not exactly sure what it is.

Universalism is the belief everyone will end up in heaven.,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Because they repented and turned around( Acts 3:19)= stopped doing those sins.

No,

Because 1 Corinthians is a letter to the Corinthian church calling them out for living in sexual sin. one so bad a man was sleeping with his fathers wife..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God appointed Jesus and the little flock as judge.
Jesus makes it clear--John 15:10-14- Those that obey remain his friend and in his love, just as he must obey his Father to remain in his love.

You did not answer

how good is good enough. How many sins disqualify me, how many good deeds make me ok with God?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In a sense-Rom 3:10-- But those who obey are declared righteous.
Acts 24:15--The righteous and unrighteous get resurrected-- So Rom 3:10 doesn't mean what you think. How can the righteous be resurrected if there aren't actually any?

How good is good enough?

can you answer. How can I know for a fact I am good enough to make it to heaven?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They must obey. And the biggest one they must obey= Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God=OT-NT--learned, applied and obeyed=Few bother. That is why Few will find the road that leads off into life.

HOW GOOD IS GOOD ENOUGH?

Just saying we must obey is not an answer. Everyone obeys to some extent. But what is the requirement. If you can not give us the requirement, then you have no hope. because you do not know yourself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

None who died prior to Jesus will be apart of the little flock. None entered heaven, ever before Jesus ascended back to heaven.

They were in paradise. just like we will be when we die.. If we are a child of God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They also said he got his power from( Matt 12:24) satan, did you believe their words there? They NEVER said a truth about Jesus. Jesus called them liars and their father was the devil.( John 8:42-47)-- Not wise to believe the words of hate filled hearts.

He still called himself God.

Next...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John already found out who the 144,000 are and wrote it down.
Some would say it could be detrimental to anyone who adds or takes away from any revelation in his scroll.

But that up to you.


7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

This is in a future time. during the time of Gods wrath. when God saves 144000 Israel and sends them out as missionaries to the world

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's because a "new heavens" and "new earth" is not a literal one. What, you think God is going to destroy his dwelling place?

Yet he gives us the dimensions

His dwelling place will be in the new heavens and earth

It's symbolic.

Well, you haven't even attempted to prove your point!

Your the one who made the statement, Prove it.. I am still waiting

So we'll agree to disagree until you can show me where all those you mentioned will be heaven.

Or you show me where they will nto be in heaven

 

[Johan]

The past weekend we enjoyed the Truth that our "Abba Father/Daddy, Jehovah/Yahweh died in Jesus for us to give birth to us as a New Person in the New Name of Jesus. Where we died on Friday as a wretched sinner having to worship the Almighty Holy, Righteous God. Where we were so much lesser than He was. And on Sunday both of us raised from the Grave to be Two New Persons. Now Father and Son together in Love and not "worship" anymore. Because now He is "Abba Father/Daddy. Who is Loved in the Greater Reality of Love of His Holy Spirit than what we had as humans worshiping God.

Rom. 6:
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[One 2 question]

Universalism is the belief everyone will end up in heaven.,

Ok

 

[FaithWillDo]

You are wrong in all areas here my friend.

The law was given as a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.
1. It showed how sinful we are - Cursed is the one who does not confirm and obey every word (sin once your out)
2. It showed what must be done to be redeemed, or have your sin atoned for. (animal sacrifice - without the shedding of blood)
3. It was abused, and misunderstood by a group of people into thinking it was by these works one is saved.

As for the serpent. Jesus in his own words shows you are in error

And AS moses lifted up the serpent. SO TO must the son of man be lifted up.

The serpent was the type of Christ. as was the animals being sacrified. as was the high priest. etc etc..

The law showed Christ..

Dear Eternally Grateful,
You are blaspheming the name of Christ by saying that Christ is represented by a serpent. There are zero scriptures which use the spiritual symbol of a serpent to represent Christ.

A serpent only represents Satan.

You are misunderstanding the spiritual language of Christ.

Here is the concept that is used by the serpent on the pole: When something is lifted up, it represents that a person who looks up to it is following what it represents.

When a serpent is lifted up, it represents that the person is following Satan and the crooked way (the Old Covenant).

When Christ is lifted up, it represents that the person is following Christ and the straight way (the New Covenant).

This concept also applies: First comes the natural, then comes the spiritual.

Satan's crooked way is the natural way that man's carnal nature prefers for salvation. When the person realizes that it can never make them acceptable to God, that realization will lead them to Christ.

Christ's straight way is the spiritual way that a child of God's divine nature prefers.

The natural way leads to the spiritual way because the natural way only leads to death.

Prv 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

The Old and New Covenants are two separate covenants. The Old Covenant leads to death and is Satan's crooked way. The New Covenant leads to life and is Christ's straight way.

Christ is not the serpent upon the pole. Christ is the Savior upon the cross.

Joe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dear Eternally Grateful,
You are blaspheming the name of Christ by saying that Christ is represented by a serpent. There are zero scriptures which use the spiritual symbol of a serpent to represent Christ.

ok, Your calling Jesus a liar.

And attacking me with slander

Jesus said in John 3. as the serpent was lifted so to must be lifted.

1. The people who loked to the serpent in faith lived.

Whoever looks to christ in faith will live.





John 3: 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,

I do not know where you get your theology from. But I would seriously seek to find another source.

Until then, I will move on.

 

[FaithWillDo]

ok, Your calling Jesus a liar.

And attacking me with slander

Jesus said in John 3. as the serpent was lifted so to must be lifted.

1. The people who loked to the serpent in faith lived.

Whoever looks to christ in faith will live.





John 3: 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,

I do not know where you get your theology from. But I would seriously seek to find another source.

Until then, I will move on.

Dear Eternally Grateful,
Satan the crooked serpent masquerades as an angel of light (Christ) and has deceived the church. Christ is not a serpent as you see Christ to be.

If you won't receive truth from scripture, there is nothing I can do to help you.

Joe

 

[Hey You!]

ok, Your calling Jesus a liar.

And attacking me with slander

Jesus said in John 3. as the serpent was lifted so to must be lifted.

1. The people who loked to the serpent in faith lived.

Whoever looks to christ in faith will live.





John 3: 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,

I do not know where you get your theology from. But I would seriously seek to find another source.

Until then, I will move on.

You are correct, Moses' serpent is a "Type" for Jesus being Lifted up on the Cross...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Dear Eternally Grateful,
Satan the crooked serpent masquerades as an angel of light (Christ) and has deceived the church. Christ is not a serpent as you see Christ to be.

If you won't receive truth from scripture, there is nothing I can do to help you.

Joe

You can't help me.

but not for the reason you think