Limited atonement is a false gospel

[Ritajanice]

"Born again" necessitates a first death. When did one die and can they die more than once? Can they be born again a second, third, fourth time, etc,

There is only one Supernatural divine spiritual birth....my spirit can NEVER die, for it’s Born Again, my spirit is in Christ..

When I die my body of sin will go back into the ground.....my spirit will go straight back to my Father God,...I know that I will have a glorified body ....just like Jesus...


NONE CAN EVER PLUCK US OUT OF JESUS HANDS.

John 10:28-30​

King James Version​

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one

if the first birth wasn't sufficient?

Born Again. means exactly what the written word confirms what the Living Spirit testifies with our heart.

The Spirit testifies with “ our spirit “ that we are Gods children, as the Living Spirit was coming in through my body, and taking up residence / manifested in my spirit/ heart..he testified with my spirit , ..he regenerated my spirit, that I never even knew that I had..,God brought my spirit Alive in the Spirit Of Christ..I am Born Again of His Living imperishable seed....the Living seed that permanently indwells our heart.

As my spirit has been Born Again of Gods Living seed...from the moment my spirit was birthed, Spirit gives birth to spirit...the Living seed of God will start his work in my heart/ conforming me into the image of Jesus.

I am becoming more and more like Jesus every day, plus we bear the Spirit fruit...
Why, because God chose us and gave us to Jesus, just as his word says, ..if God gives us to Jesus, I repeat if God gives us to Jesus, none can pluck us out of his hand....we have that Living testimony within us, testifying that truth to our heart, all day every day...we are 100% secure in the hands of Jesus...

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1 Corinthians 2 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Message by the Spirit’s Power 1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Spiritual Wisdom (Ephesians 1:15–23) 6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b 10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ.

It has taken God many years, for me to understand when he gave birth to my spirit....what it means to be Born Again.

If you don’t understand the Living birth yet, don’t be concerned, as he will bring you to understanding who you are in Christ, all in his timing...be patient and wait on him...God Bless.

The above where it’s underlined about the natural man was not aimed at you....when I was in the natural man as a non believer...then I would not of had a clue what I posted meant..LOL...God Bless Brother and enjoy the rest of your day....I like discussion with you...for you are civil and polite..

Took God a long time to get me to understand what civil and polite meant, as I was brought up in “ verbal abuse and a very dysfunctional family.to me growing up that was normal...I couldn’t relate to being nice, I thought that there was something wrong with people when they were nice to me...we all come from very different backgrounds my friend.....all Glory goes to God....we will never stop learning TIL the day our bodies die....God is preparing us for heaven....

Also @Runningman did you understand what I posted...so that we can get a better understanding of where the other one is coming from?..thanks.

 

[Ritajanice]

He is amazing, isn't He. God within us. This is incredible. His Spirit communicating with our spirit. By design, we are perfectly compatible.

Amen!....it’s exciting and indescribable how we communicate with our Living God, from within our spirit, as it’s Born Again, in direct fellowship and communication with the Living God...mind Blowing.

 

[One 2 question]

Amen!....it’s exciting and indescribable how we communicate with our Living God, from within our spirit, as it’s Born Again, in direct fellowship and communication with the Living God...mind Blowing.

It absolutely is. No wonder people say, we are wonderfully made.

 

[Ritajanice]

It absolutely is. No wonder people say, we are wonderfully made.

Amen!...I love to hear you Praise the Living Spirit Of God/ Jesus...keep up the good work in his Name!

God is Alive and Active he never sleeps....his Living Spirit is everywhere....he also looks over his beloved children...the Born Again....

I think it’s mind blowing how he can see into our hearts.

 

[One 2 question]

@One 2 question @Ritajanice if you're listening to "spirit guides" you're asking for deception.

There us only one Spirit sent to us as our Spirit Guide. The Creator sent Him. The rest are mere counterfeits.

Just as there is only one Shepherd Guide, Sent to guide us.

As Jesus said, we His sheep won't listen to strangers, in fact we will run from them.

It doesn't take long to get to know the difference between Jesus and Satan, a shepherd and a lion.

 

[Ritajanice]

There us only one Spirit sent to us as our Spirit Guide. The Creator sent Him. The rest are mere counterfeits.

Just as there is only one Shepherd Guide, Sent to guide us.

As Jesus said, we His sheep won't listen to strangers, in fact we will run from them.

It doesn't take long to get to know the difference between Jesus and Satan, a shepherd and a lion.

Amen!

Matthew 3:12NLT. He is ready to separate the chaff from the wheat with his winnowing fork. Then he will clean up the threshing area, gathering the wheat into his barn but burning the chaff with never-ending fire.”

 

[One 2 question]

WAmen!...I love to hear you Praise the Living Spirit Of God/ Jesus...keep up the good work in his Name!

God is Alive and Active he never sleeps....his Living Spirit is everywhere....he also looks over his beloved children...the Born Again....

I think it’s mind blowing how he can see into our hearts.

It still causes me to wonder why many who identify as Christian over estimate the power, authority, ability, influence Satan and his angels have over Jesus's born again followers (sheep).

And at the same time how they underestimate the power, authority, ability, influence Jesus and his angels have over Jesus's born again followers (sheep).

Satan:

The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.
Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

Jesus:
I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end.

These 2 dont sound anything alike.

 

[Lizbeth]

What's strong meat mean?

Do you mean the "spirit guide" you have hasn't taught you that? Why do you use provocative language on purpose....people who do that need to examine themselves in the light of the Lord and find out. I know why because I've seen it before, and seen what it leads to, the Lord thankfully giving me eyes to see.

What's strong meat mean?

The story is a mixed bag hey. The good, bad and ugly.

The point is that it can happen to us. "Ichabod" is the saddest and ugliest part.......the Spirit of God departing the Temple....and what that is a picture of for the church, His new covenant temple. The good part is the remnant who are saved, but the rest FALL, sadly. Which invites judgment and wrath. Those who believe it can't happen to born again believers are in error, as those things happened to Israel and were written down as examples/allegories for the church's admonition. If we're wise we will take our Almighty heavenly Father seriously and get rid of any cavalier and flippant attitudes, which are not a sign of maturity and aren't fruits of the HOLY Spirit. Those who don't mature up are most vulnerable to being deceived and led astray.

 

[Lizbeth]

It still causes me to wonder why many who identify as Christian over estimate the power, authority, ability, influence Satan and his angels have over Jesus's born again followers (sheep).

And at the same time how they underestimate the power, authority, ability, influence Jesus and his angels have over Jesus's born again followers (sheep).

Satan:

The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.
Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

Jesus:
I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end.

These 2 dont sound anything alike.

On the other hand Satan masquerades as the Lion of Judah, no? So we need to be careful, not care-less. We don't want to over-estimate him, but it doesn't do to under-estimate anything either. The devil isn't really the problem in a way, WE are. We need to be sober and alert, walking circumspectly before the Lord.

 

[Lizbeth]

Just for the sake of clarification, when YOU use the term God's word, are you refering to what some people wrote down and has found its way into the bibles?

Is this what some people refer to it as the written word of God?

Nevertheless, haven't you read that ALL scripture is profitable.....? (As long as it is scripture and not a paraphrase.) When you know the scriptures well enough you start to see how perfect it is and give God the glory for it.....and that it is all unified and harmonious. Anything that appears to the carnal mind to be contradictory is easily resolved when we see and understand by the Holy Spirit. It's not wise or profitable to undermine and cast doubt on the written word of God. His word will never pass away........He preserves it.

 

[One 2 question]

Do you mean the "spirit guide" you have hasn't taught you that?

I was more asking you specifically what you mean by your use of the term strong meat.

I'm confident that whoever wrote these words of theirs in their scroll knew what they meant. But again, what do you mean by them?

 

[Lizbeth]

I was more asking you specifically what you mean by your use of the term strong meat.

I'm confident that whoever wrote these words of theirs in their scroll knew what they meant. But again, what do you mean by them?

What do you think it means? I sometimes miss my childhood. With wisdom comes sorrow, as Solomon wrote.

 

[One 2 question]

What do you think it means? I sometimes miss my childhood. With wisdom comes sorrow, as Solomon wrote.

I've never used those 2 words together that's all. And I'm guessing you are using it as a metaphor. But for what?

 

[One 2 question]

What do you think it means?

I was more asking you specifically what you mean by your use of the term strong meat.

I guess the reason I ask is that as I've spoken to many Christians and their use of certain biblical words and terms, they struggle to give a clear concise definition or interpretation when questioned. Nothing personal.

 

[One 2 question]

Nevertheless, haven't you read that ALL scripture is profitable.....?

Scripture is beneficial and profitable for sure. Does it contain every word that proceeds from the mouth of God? Certainly not. Far far far from it. But is is useful.

....and that it is all unified and harmonious.

the scriptures that is contained in the various biblical canons you mean?

Anything that appears to the carnal mind to be contradictory is easily resolved when we see and understand by the Holy Spirit.

what do you mean by what youve said here?

It's not wise or profitable to undermine and cast doubt on the written word of God.

we are discussing it i thought. As this is a Christian debate forum

His word will never pass away

agreed

........He preserves it.

Yes, every word God has spoken has been preserved within Him.

Jesus said all that His Father has is His.

Jesus said the Spirit will take from Him and make it know to us.

I am soooo grateful for new revelations of truth that don't have their origin in the bibles.

 

[Rockerduck]

On the other hand Satan masquerades as the Lion of Judah, no? So we need to be careful, not care-less. We don't want to over-estimate him, but it doesn't do to under-estimate anything either. The devil isn't really the problem in a way, WE are. We need to be sober and alert, walking circumspectly before the Lord.

Satan masquerades as an angel of light to those who are not saved and don't know better. The Born again from above know Jesus and knows His voice and cannot be fooled, by a fake. By the way, the devil has spoken to me. I know his voice too. I can't be fooled.

 

[One 2 question]

Satan masquerades as an angel of light to those who are not saved and don't know better. The Born again from above know Jesus and knows His voice and cannot be fooled, by a fake. By the way, the devil has spoken to me. I know his voice too. I can't be fooled.

I believe there are those who struggle with Jesus's words.

He who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

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Jesus the True Shepherd
10 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.

Jesus the Good Shepherd
7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came [a]before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

19 Therefore there was a division again among the Jews because of these sayings. 20 And many of them said, “He has a demon and is [c]mad. Why do you listen to Him?”

21 Others said, “These are not the words of one who has a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”

The Shepherd Knows His Sheep
22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in [d]doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one.”

 

[Ritajanice]

Satan masquerades as an angel of light to those who are not saved and don't know better. The Born again from above know Jesus and knows His voice and cannot be fooled, by a fake. By the way, the devil has spoken to me. I know his voice too. I can't be fooled.

I have a friend who is constantly in her bible, in fact she has about 7 bibles.

When I have tried to talk to her about the Living Spirit Of God, she just couldn’t relate...we had to part ways in the end,,,

Wether she was Born Again or not, I have no idea....all of what she spoke to me, sounded like a confused mess...now wether the devil had gotten into her head....it sure did sound like it...poor woman, she was extremely highly strung as well....I do pray for her...that she will come to know the Love Of God in her heart...even when I mentioned to her that God is a Living Spirit....there was fear in her eyes, I could see it straight away....what do you make of that @Rockerduck @One 2 question ?

 

[Rockerduck]

I have a friend who is constantly in her bible, in fact she has about 7 bibles.

When I have tried to talk to her about the Living Spirit Of God, she just couldn’t relate...we had to part ways in the end,,,

Wether she was Born Again or not, I have no idea....all of what she spoke to me, sounded like a confused mess...now wether the devil had gotten into her head....it sure did sound like it...poor woman, she was extremely highly strung as well....I do pray for her...that she will come to know the Love Of God in her heart...

I've known churches full of people like that. They can read the bible and apply it, but talk about the Living Word of God, walk by faith, walking in the Spirit, I get questions, and I show them in the bible, but they still don't understand. As you have found out, it hard to describe the Power of the Holy Spirit that lives in you and makes you alive. I got out of my car once in a parking lot, and I saw a fish on a car that just pulled up. She got out and I said I saw the fish on the back. I started praising Jesus. She just looked at me. I hope she was thinking, I wish I was that excited.

 

[One 2 question]

I have a friend who is constantly in her bible, in fact she has about 7 bibles.

When I have tried to talk to her about the Living Spirit Of God, she just couldn’t relate...we had to part ways in the end,,,

Wether she was Born Again or not, I have no idea....all of what she spoke to me, sounded like a confused mess...now wether the devil had gotten into her head....it sure did sound like it...poor woman, she was extremely highly strung as well....I do pray for her...that she will come to know the Love Of God in her heart...even when I mentioned to her that God is a Living Spirit....there was fear in her eyes, I could see it straight away....what do you make of that @Rockerduck @One 2 question ?

I would ask you, what is Spirit saying to you in this relationship?

The great truth is that the Spirit doesn't have to inform you of what He is going to do in this situation. He will just go about God's business and get it done. This we can be sure of.