Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why would you conclude that it goes somewhere? Have you never read . . .

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.​

Paul says that the dead in Christ will rise. They are asleep in the grave now but will rise from it then.

Jesus also spoke of the dead in the same way.

Luke 8:51-53 When He came to the house, He did not allow anyone to enter with Him, except Peter and John and James, and the girl’s father and mother. Now they were all weeping and lamenting for her; but He said, “Stop weeping, for she has not died, but is asleep.” And they began laughing at Him, knowing that she had died.​

In Jesus' view, when a person dies, they aren't "dead," they are "asleep." He explains himself later when he comforts Mary and Martha.

John 11:24-26 Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”​

Soul sleep is clearly a false doctrine.

2 Corinthians 5:6 herefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight: ) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death. 21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 

[CadyandZoe]

What does Amos 9:9 have to do with the Second Advent?

Did I say Amos 9:9 had anything to do with the Second Advent? I don't think I did.

But since you brought it up, the Second Advent refers to the prophesied return of Jesus Christ to Jerusalem, heralded as a triumphant victor over the enemies of Israel. This event is significant in the eschatological narrative, emphasizing Jesus' role as the defender and savior of His people. To fulfill this promise, it is essential for God to preserve a faithful remnant of his people, Israel, a group chosen to endure through trials and tribulations. This remnant will not only witness His glorious return but will also be protected and rallied by Jesus during His confrontation with those who oppose His divine plan for Israel. Thus, the preservation of this remnant is crucial for the fulfillment of biblical prophecy concerning the Second Advent.

Contrary to those who teach that race is no longer a valid human category, Amos teaches that God is able to make that distinction, even if human beings deny it.

 

[Scott Downey]

1 Peter 3:18-20 declares, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Some imagine that Christ descended into hell for three days and preached the Gospel to the wicked of Noah's day. The Bible doesn’t say that. I think it is simply saying that God spoke to those who were “disobedient” (or imprisoned spiritually) through Noah when he was building the ark. Anyway, we don’t need to speculate as to its fulfilment, it is in the text. It is expressly occurred in: “the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing.” Not only was Noah a righteous witness, he was also a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:6).

• This is not talking about hell. Hell is not mentioned.
• There is no mentioned of a 2nd chance. There never has been or ever will be.
• I believe it is talking about Christ speaking to the wicked by "the Spirit" through His servant Noah back thousands of years ago.
• The wicked are continually portrayed as being in a spiritual prison. This is what I believe it is saying.
• The result of the preaching in question is mentioned here – 8 converts. This is telling us that Noah and his family were the only response to the Gospel message “in the days of Noah.”

If 1 Peter 3:18-20 is speaking about Jesus descending into hell 2000 years ago to give the ignorant dead a second chance, and this is what happens to the ignorant dead, who is doing that at the moment? After all, we are looking at an actual event. Is Jesus continually leaving heaven to preach to a new generation of dead in hell?

1 Peter 4:5-6 declares, "Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." This links with the previous reading.

This is simply telling us that the Gospel had previously been preached to them that are now dead. It’s not saying that the Gospel was preached to them while they were dead. Nowhere does Scripture teach that people get a second chance at salvation after they die. Quite the opposite. That is a distortion of what these texts are teaching. It was preached to them when they were still alive.

Some imagine that Christ descended into hell for three days and preached the Gospel to the wicked of Noah's day. The Bible doesn’t say that. I think it is simply saying that God spoke to those who were “disobedient” (or imprisoned spiritually) through Noah when he was building the ark. Anyway, we don’t need to speculate as to its fulfilment, it is in the text. It is expressly occurred in: “the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing.” Not only was Noah a righteous witness, he was also a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:6).

Firstly, nowhere else in the Word does it say that the dead have a second chance. Hebrews 9:27 says, “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.”

Secondly, this text is saying that Christ spoke to the wicked in Noah’s day by way of “the Spirit.” Anyway, we don’t need to speculate as to its fulfilment, it is in the text. It is expressly occurred: “in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing.”

Not saying it does give them a second Chance.
However, Christ did go there. I view it more of a proclamation of Himself, that He has fully triumphed. I am not reading anything more into the text than what it says, you are adding in the idea of a second chance which I never said.

 

[WPM]

I have not denied Jesus' first Advent. You don't understand what an "Advent" is. An "Advent" is an official visit by a king to a city during which time there is a celebration, and often there is a parade of the victor's captives.

Jesus' First Advent occurred during a significant period leading up to his death, burial, and resurrection. This pivotal moment in history took place as Jesus made his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, a city steeped in religious and cultural importance. Riding on a donkey, a gesture that fulfilled biblical prophecy and symbolized peace, he was received by crowds of enthusiastic followers. They laid down palm branches and shouted praises, recognizing him as the long-awaited Messiah. This event marked the beginning of the final chapter of his earthly ministry, setting the stage for the profound events that would soon follow, including his subsequent crucifixion and resurrection.

Jesus' Second Advent will witness his triumphant entry into Jerusalem sitting on a white horse to deliver his people from their enemies and establish the Millennial kingdom on earth.

For Christians, the pivotal moment in history was the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You preach another gospel. That is why you deny the deity of Christ. You strip Christ's First Advent of its power and victory.

• Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled every lofty demand that the law required Him to achieve.
• He achieved every demand that His Father demanded off Him.
• He satisfied every demand justice required of Him.

He paid the penalty for sin in full. Justice was satisfied. He took upon Himself man’s punishment. He stood in their stead. The penalty has already been paid. Christians are no longer in condemnation.

 

[WPM]

Not saying it does give them a second Chance.
However, Christ did go there. I view it more of a proclamation of Himself, that He has fully triumphed. I am not reading anything more into the text than what it says, you are adding in the idea of a second chance.

Please address my points.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What? He came to Israel. He made the covenant with His redeemed. Those who had eyes to see (God's elect, true Israel - the holy remnant) got it. We Gentiles have been grafted into believing Israel. Blind (unbelieving) Israel are apostate, they are of their father the devil, and destined for hell.

We have some people here who cannot even understand the fundamental truths of Christianity. It's very disturbing.

 

[WPM]

I have not denied Jesus' first Advent. You don't understand what an "Advent" is. An "Advent" is an official visit by a king to a city during which time there is a celebration, and often there is a parade of the victor's captives.

Jesus' First Advent occurred during a significant period leading up to his death, burial, and resurrection. This pivotal moment in history took place as Jesus made his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, a city steeped in religious and cultural importance. Riding on a donkey, a gesture that fulfilled biblical prophecy and symbolized peace, he was received by crowds of enthusiastic followers. They laid down palm branches and shouted praises, recognizing him as the long-awaited Messiah. This event marked the beginning of the final chapter of his earthly ministry, setting the stage for the profound events that would soon follow, including his subsequent crucifixion and resurrection.

Jesus' Second Advent will witness his triumphant entry into Jerusalem sitting on a white horse to deliver his people from their enemies and establish the Millennial kingdom on earth.

Repeated Scripture portrays a victorious Christ since His all-conquering victory over death.

Jesus said Revelation 3:21: “I … overcame.”

Revelation 5:5 tells us: “behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed.”

Christ announced to His disciples in Matthew 28:18, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Paradise of God was originally EDEN.

Notice the wording

Revelation 2:7
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’

Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Yes, makes very good sense the OT saints went to Paradise at death, (Abraham's bosom), but Paradise at that time was not in Heaven.
When Christ ascended, he took Abraham's Bosom, everyone in Paradise itself together with Him into Heaven.

Please address my points.

I don't have to, what's the point of doing it? I have to get going soon and am eating lunch

 

[covenantee]

Did I say Amos 9:9 had anything to do with the Second Advent? I don't think I did.

But since you brought it up, the Second Advent refers to the prophesied return of Jesus Christ to Jerusalem, heralded as a triumphant victor over the enemies of Israel. This event is significant in the eschatological narrative, emphasizing Jesus' role as the defender and savior of His people. To fulfill this promise, it is essential for God to preserve a faithful remnant of his people, Israel, a group chosen to endure through trials and tribulations. This remnant will not only witness His glorious return but will also be protected and rallied by Jesus during His confrontation with those who oppose His divine plan for Israel. Thus, the preservation of this remnant is crucial for the fulfillment of biblical prophecy concerning the Second Advent.

Contrary to those who teach that race is no longer a valid human category, Amos teaches that God is able to make that distinction, even if human beings deny it.

I thought we were discussing Amos 9:9. Then you brought up the Second Advent. Hence my question:

What does Amos 9:9 have to do with the Second Advent?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Read these.

Speaking of Joseph in Genesis 41:38, we learn, “And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?”

Exodus 28:3 says, “thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.”

Exodus 31:3 says, “And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship.”

Numbers 14:24 says, “my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.”

Even before succeeding Moses, Joshua was filled with the Spirit. Numbers 27:18 tells us, “And the LORD said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay thine hand upon him.”

Deuteronomy 34:9 says, “Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.”

Nehemiah 9:30 confirms, “Yet many years didst thou forbear them, and testifiedst against them by thy spirit in thy prophets: yet would they not give ear: therefore gavest thou them into the hand of the people of the lands.”

David declares in Psalm 51:10, “Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.”

Isaiah 63:11 says, “he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he (God) that put his Holy Spirit within him (Moses)?"

Ezekiel 2:2 testified, “the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 says, “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”

Ezekiel 37:14 says, “And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD."

Daniel 6:3 says, “Then this Daniel was preferred above the presidents and princes, because an excellent spirit was in him; and the king thought to set him over the whole realm."

Micah 3:8 testified, “I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.”

Luke 1:13-17, “the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

Luke 1:41 records of John’s mother, “Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost.”

Luke 1:67 records of John’s mother, “Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost.”

John 20:21-23 records of Christ’s impartation of the Holy Spirit to the disciples prior to Pentecost, “he breathed on them, and saith unto them, receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.”

1 Peter 1:7-12 explicitly states, speaking to the New Testament saints about our common salvation in Christ, with the OT saints, “the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.”

Possessing “the spirit of Christ” is expressly identified with the ‘indwelling’ of the Spirit in Romans 8:9, where the passage says of God’s elect, “you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”

The condition for salvation, throughout all time is possession of “the spirit of Christ.” Ephesians 3:14-21 says, “I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven (Old Testament and New Testament saints up until today) and earth (Jew and Gentile) is named, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God …Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end."

1 Corinthians 10:1 & 4 says, “I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea ... And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

Hebrews 11:23-26 says, “By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.”

You seem to have missed my point. I'm talking about the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Where is it taught that any OT saints had the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit? None of those passages teach that. The disciples were true believers well before they received the Holy Spirit, so why did they not already have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them before they received the Holy Spirit?

If believers in OT times had the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then why did Jesus talk about the Comforter being sent to live in His followers as if it was an unprecedented thing? What is the significance of the day of Pentecost if the Holy Spirit had already come to permanently indwell believers for thousands of years prior?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Soul sleep is clearly a false doctrine.

Before we look at other passages of scripture. Let's look at the passages I already offered. I highlighted the word "asleep" and I take it that you read those words?

 

[Scott Downey]

Personally, I believe Adam and Eve at their deaths, God admitted back into Eden, which afterwards is known as Paradise.
It was the place where all those God would save before Christ went at death, (their spirits) There is a spiritual body of some kind.

The only other option is they ceased to exist, which is false, or went into fiery torments of hell, false, God made a sacrifice for their sins...
OR they ascended into heaven, false, cause before Christ came, man and God were separated and only Christ can ascend into heaven, so when HE ascends we ascended with Him. But before His ascension into heaven there must have been a third place for the righteous dead to have gone, otherwise known as Abraham's Bosom or Paradise.

Since Christ tells the thief that very day they would be in Paradise, it must be Abaham's bosom cause Christ is not going to ascend till after the resurrection, 3 more days left to go. On the THIRD DAY Christ was resurrected. This is my thoughts on the matter.

 

[CadyandZoe]

For Christians, the pivotal moment in history was the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You preach another gospel.

Why lie about what I said? How does that help anyone?

That is why you deny the deity of Christ.

My argument isn't with the Bible; it's with the Catholic interpretation of the Bible. If you understood the Nicene Creed, you wouldn't agree with it either.

You strip Christ's First Advent of its power and victory.

• Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled every lofty demand that the law required Him to achieve.
• He achieved every demand that His Father demanded off Him.
• He satisfied every demand justice required of Him.

He paid the penalty for sin in full. Justice was satisfied. He took upon Himself man’s punishment. He stood in their stead. The penalty has already been paid. Christians are no longer in condemnation.

I never denied any of these things.

 

[WPM]

You seem to have missed my point. I'm talking about the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Where is it taught that any OT saints had the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit? None of those passages teach that. The disciples were true believers well before they received the Holy Spirit, so why did they not already have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them before they received the Holy Spirit?

If believers in OT times had the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then why did Jesus talk about the Comforter being sent to live in His followers as if it was an unprecedented thing? What is the significance of the day of Pentecost if the Holy Spirit had already come to permanently indwell believers for thousands of years prior?

Pentecost was the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This was the empowerment for service to win a lost heathen world. This was not the receiving of eternal life. No where teaches that. That was alive and active before the cross. This was not the beginning of being born of the Spirit (or from above). That was alive and active before the cross.

The Lord said shortly before His ascension, in Luke 24:49, “tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power (or dunamis) from on high.”

Jesus said in Acts 1:8, “ye shall receive power (or dunamis), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you.”

Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power (or dunamis) that worketh in us,

 

[WPM]

Personally, I believe Adam and Eve at their deaths, God admitted back into Eden, which afterwards is known as Paradise.
It was the place where all those God would save before Christ went at death, (their spirits) There is a spiritual body of some kind.

The only other option is they ceased to exist, which is false, or went into fiery torments of hell, false, God made a sacrifice for their sins...
OR they ascended into heaven, false, cause before Christ came, man and God were separated and only Christ can ascend into heaven, so when HE ascends we ascended with Him. But before His ascension into heaven there must have been a third place for the righteous dead to have gone, otherwise known as Abraham's Bosom or Paradise.

Since Christ tells the thief that very day they would be in Paradise, it must be Abaham's bosom cause Christ is not going to ascend till after the resurrection, 3 more days left to go. On the THIRD DAY Christ was resurrected. This is my thoughts on the matter.

You're still not answering my query: where in Scripture teaches that Abrahams bosom is paradise?

Please quote me when you are interacting with me. Because I can overlook your response.

 

[WPM]

Personally, I believe Adam and Eve at their deaths, God admitted back into Eden, which afterwards is known as Paradise.
It was the place where all those God would save before Christ went at death, (their spirits) There is a spiritual body of some kind.

The only other option is they ceased to exist, which is false, or went into fiery torments of hell, false, God made a sacrifice for their sins...
OR they ascended into heaven, false, cause before Christ came, man and God were separated and only Christ can ascend into heaven, so when HE ascends we ascended with Him. But before His ascension into heaven there must have been a third place for the righteous dead to have gone, otherwise known as Abraham's Bosom or Paradise.

Since Christ tells the thief that very day they would be in Paradise, it must be Abaham's bosom cause Christ is not going to ascend till after the resurrection, 3 more days left to go. On the THIRD DAY Christ was resurrected. This is my thoughts on the matter.

Where I think you are struggling is in associating "ascension" exclusively with Christ's body. He also had a spirit that ascended to His Father upon death. This is what happens to us as believers upon death. When we die our spirits go to be with Jesus. When Jesus comes at the last trumpet our physical bodies experience the same.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You didn't answer my question: "but how were the OT saints regenerated without the internal work of the Spirit?"

They were not regenerated without the internal work of the Spirit. I should've been more clear of what I was talking about. We have a major misunderstanding here and are not talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit that was unprecedented before the day of Pentecost. Where does scripture talk about believers being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and having various spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit in OT times?

So the Spirit only entered the saints at Pentecost? The Church did not begin then, began at the beginning.

You know I believe that about the church, too, so, we have just had a misunderstanding here.

The NT Church did not begin then, it began after cross. Why did Jesus tell Nicodemus to be born again? Surely this was before the cross?

Yes, it was. I'm speaking in terms of being permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit and being given different spiritual gifts like tongues, healing, teaching, prophecy, etc. as is described in relation to the NT church.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm under the New Covenant.

Who are "we"?

They don't include me.

Sorry about you.

Right. Anyone not under the new covenant has not had their sins covered and forgiven by the blood of Christ and they are not saved.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You were doing well until you gave up. I know that it must be hard for you. Take your time.

I gave up on your nonsense, not on scripture. You are hilarious.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Before we look at other passages of scripture. Let's look at the passages I already offered. I highlighted the word "asleep" and I take it that you read those words?

Those are talking about being bodily dead. Do you not differentiate between the body, soul and spirit?

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.