As I said, it can’t be Satan because it wouldn’t be helpful in solving the riddle, insomuch he WAS before all the kings. I don’t worry about Satan followers, even if they’re ignorant of it.
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You suggest that a National Israel "Jews" will rule the nations, this claim isn't found in scripture
You’re totally clueless. I never “suggested” anything of the sort in your misrepresentation. I said “Israel” is saved and rules, the nations; let me add, the Church is Israel,
Galatians 6
15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
16 And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
Furthermore, when Christ was queried if he would restore Israel before he ascended, he didn’t say he wasn’t going to do any such thing, but rather that it wasn’t for the disciples “to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed,” about the restoration (Acts 1:7). The OT is replete with passages of Israel’s GATHERING and restoration when Christ returns,
Jeremiah 23:
1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
You amills are clueless about the scattering. Go back and do your homework by reading the thread and see how clueless you are about how Israel was prophesied to be scattered and then gathered into the kingdom when Christ returns. You guys are almost as clueless as the Pharisees about the two advents of Christ in the OT.
Spiritual Israelite
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Petulance is your middle name. So, Jesus is not yet reigning according to you, which means you don't believe He is your King right now. Which is pathetic! He is my King! He is the King of kings and Lord of lords with all power in heaven and earth (Matt 28:18, Eph 1:19-23). It's sad that you think He's not your King right now! Who is your king right now then?
Yes, so you need to leave it to people like me. You get NOTHING.
Spiritual Israelite
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Few are more clueless than you. But, you are too clueless to even realize that. Jesus reigns NOW! He is my King NOW! Who is your king?
Spiritual Israelite
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Your belief that Jesus is not reigning as King now is Satanic.As I said, it can’t be Satan because it wouldn’t be helpful in solving the riddle, insomuch he WAS before all the kings. I don’t worry about Satan followers, even if they’re ignorant of it.
Why don’t you stop being silly. I never said Christ isn’t king, only that he’s not reigning on David’s throne now; that happens when he returns.
As scripture states, flesh and blood can’t enter the kingdom. No doubt, you are mortal and flesh and blood, so you’re not in the kingdom.
Overcomers enter the kingdom when Christ returns (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12), which exposes amill and postmill as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13).
Again, leave it to those who get it!
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Spiritual Israelite
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Why can't you just answer a simple question, silly person? I asked you if you believe Christ is King now and you can't even answer a simple question with a simple answer. So, please just answer the question. Is Jesus King of His kingdom right now? Yes or no.
Do you understand the difference between the spiritual kingdom that's His followers are in now "is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" and the kingdom that we will inherit in its fullness with immortal bodies in the future?
How does this expose Amill? That's hilariously naive. Those passages are talking about judgment. Amills do not deny that Jesus will judge all people when He returns. Stop being silly.
I am, that's why I'm leaving it to me and people like me instead of people like you who have no discernment whatsoever.Again, leave it to those who get it!
The answer is no. How many times must I answer. It's obvious you don't have eyes and see and ears that listen. Christ is NOT reigning in his kingdom. Are we done with your silly attempt to twist the interpretation of Colossians 1:13? We are not translated or seated in Christ’s kingdom in ANY literal sense because mortal flesh and blood can’t enter the kingdom (1 Corinthians 15:50). So, Colossians 1:13 can’t be used to prove we reign with Christ in his kingdom now!
According to scripture the kingdoms of the world don’t become Christ’s until the last trumpet and the dead in Christ are resurrected to receive their reward of eternal life, in agreement with 1 Corinthians 15:50,
Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever…
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27, and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12 support Premillennialism because they affirm Christ returns to establish his rule, power and authority with the overcomers, not to end it. When it’s time to enter the eternal state Christ is supposed to end rule, power and authority according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. Consequently, the scriptures uphold Premillennialism and expose the folly of post and amill as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13).
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How silly; Satan is the father of lies and amills gaslight we're in the kingdom. Remove the beam from your eye before trying to remove the splinter from others.
Spiritual Israelite
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Just once straightforwardly. This was the first time. Thank you for confirming that you are part of some cult who denies that Jesus Christ is King NOW! Who is your king?
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Says the blind and deaf man.
Spiritual Israelite
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You are so very confused. He's not a king without a kingdom.Jerry Huerta said:
How silly, Premillennialism, Chiliasm, predated amill, which makes amill the cult of Romanism. It wasn’t until the Roman Emperors entered the scene that Premillennialism was pushed aside. And it wasn’t until Romanism, the papacy, was wounded that Premillennialism returned to triumph over amill, insomuch as it is once more the dominate and orthodox eschatology.
As I said, and which you continue to gaslight, Christ has been given all power, he merely isn’t ordained to enforce it until he returns (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27, and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12)!!!!!!!
Spiritual Israelite
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That's a blatant lie. All you have to offer are lies.
Nice made up story there, buddy. Amill is taught in scripture, so it predates Premill which is not taught in scripture.
LOL. Isn't ordained to enforce it? LOL! So, He's up in heaven with His hands tied behind His back? He is not capable of having any influence over the world now? LOL. You don't even know who Jesus is. What cult are you part of?As I said, and which you continue to gaslight, Christ has been given all power, he merely isn’t ordained to enforce it until he returns (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27, and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12)!!!!!!!
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go and attend an Easter service to worship my risen King who reigns over heaven and earth right now.
Numerous websites and books prove the extant ante-Nicene writings are overwhelmingly millennialists. The article below cites just a few authors,
As Philip Schaff noted, “The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene age is the prominent chiliasm, or millennarianism.”[1] Important teachers of this include Pseudo-Barnabas, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and many others. [1]
Furthermore, Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp that was taught by John the revelator, so not doubt Premillennialism predated amill. The NT does not support amill, which makes your perversions mendacity.
And like my post stated, Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27, and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12 all prove Christ returns to establish his rule, power and authority with the overcomers--and not the eternal state, which you're incapable of surmounting.
Name some amill authors before the Romanist cult took control of the Church if you can!
Spiritual Israelite
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Your nonsense doesn't fool anyone with discernment.
In the early second century, the Premillennialist Justin Martyr said this in his "Dialogue with Trypho" in relation to his Premillennial view:
I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise.
So, there were many Amillennialists at that point and no doubt there were many before that as well in the first century. That has to be the case since it is taught in scripture.
Your scripture references refer to the fact that Jesus will sit on His throne to judge the world when He returns and has nothing to do with Him reigning over the world for a thousand years. All people at that point will either inherit eternal life with immortal bodies in the kingdom of God (1 Cor 15:50, Matt 25:34) or will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt 25:41).
Jerry, who is your king right now, buddy? We know it's not Jesus. So, who is it?
Name one and cite their writings. The point is that the for three-hundred years the overwhelming authors whose writings we have are Premill. Even Augustine was a Premillennialists before he changed to amill.
Spiritual Israelite
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It's interesting that @Jerry Huerta thinks facts are funny. What's wrong, Jerry? Why don't you agree with your Premill buddy Justin Martyr about the facts of how many Amills there were in the early church?
Who is your king, Jerry? We know it's not Jesus because you believe He is not King right now and is not reigning right now.
In the parable of the wheat and tares, "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one" (Matthew 13:38). Are you a child of the kingdom of Christ or a child of the kingdom of the wicked one, Jerry?
Spiritual Israelite
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Do you think that Justin Martyr didn't know what he was talking about, Jerry? Who should I trust in terms of how many people believed in Amill and Premill back then? Someone who actually lived back then or you? It's not a hard choice.Name one and cite their writings. The point is that the for three-hundred years the overwhelming authors whose writings we have are Premill. Even Augustine was a Premillennialists before he changed to amill.
In the early second century, the Premillennialist Justin Martyr said this in his "Dialogue with Trypho" in relation to his Premillennial view:
I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise.
You know what they say about those who assume. Martyr says nothing about anyone teaching amill.
And again, Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27, and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12 all prove Christ returns to establish his rule, power and authority with the overcomers--and not the eternal state, which you're incapable of surmounting.
Name some amill authors before the Romanist cult took control of the Church if you can!
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