Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[WPM]

I have been destroying your arguments for years. This has been your constant position:

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics.

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LOL. In your dreams!

 

[WPM]

Oh look, it's a whiny little child, who runs away when his view is challenged. weighing in. Are you just afraid to address the points in the OP or do you know that you can't? What is the reason that you are not doing that?

Exactly. All he has is petty name-calling and avoidance. This has become the Premil MO online for 2 decades.

We should count this a compliment. The battle has been long-won.

 

[Doug]

So, since faith is the only criteria of being part of the Israel of God, that means Jew and Gentile believers are part of the Israel of God. Agree?

[Rom 9:6-8 KJV] 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

God is not talking about Gentiles but the seed of Abraham (Israel in the flesh.......physical Israel)

 

[Doug]

So, are only Jewish believers born of God and keep God's commandments and not Gentile believers?

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

I was demonstrating that the content of the letter to Ephesus lends itself that more than likely it is a Jewish church

 

[Doug]

Sadly, opinions seem to sum up your theology. Who cares about the Book!

[Luk 16:22-23 KJV] 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Here is scripture that shows what happens during that dispensation to those who die....therefore the good side is paradise

 

[Doug]

The Ephesian church was still the Ephesian church.

When Paul went to Ephesus there were disciples there (Acts 19:1) He had not yet established the church at Ephesus. The disciples he met were part of the believing remnant of Israel, seeing they were baptized with John's baptism (Acts 19:2). Paul went into the synagogue to preach Christ (Acts 18:19 19:8); this church of believing Jews was probably established upon being scattered into Asia (1 Peter 1:1).
This believing church of Jews who were baptized by John was more than likely the church John sent his letter to in Revelations 2:1 and not to the church Paul established.

 

[Doug]

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When Paul went to Ephesus there were disciples there (Acts 19:1) He had not yet established the church at Ephesus. The disciples he met were part of the believing remnant of Israel, seeing they were baptized with John's baptism (Acts 19:2). Paul went into the synagogue to preach Christ (Acts 18:19 19:8); this church of believing Jews was probably established upon being scattered into Asia (1 Peter 1:1).
This believing church of Jews who were baptized by John was more than likely the church John sent his letter to in Revelations 2:1 and not to the church Paul established.

 

[Doug]

Do Gentiles not have to keep God's commandments?

Is the following only about Jews?

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Do Gentiles not have to keep God's commandments?

The commandments are the covenant God made with Israel....Gentiles werent given the covenant
In this dispensation we are to obey the commandments Jesus gave Paul to reveal

Is the following only about Jews?

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John was written to believing Israel who only had to believe Jesus is Christ the Son of God (John 20:31)

 

[Doug]

That was in Old Testament times. But, Gentile believers in New Testament times are no longer strangers from the covenants (Ephesians 2:11-22)!

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

That doesnt say we get their covenants

 

[covenantee]

When Paul went to Ephesus there were disciples there (Acts 19:1) He had not yet established the church at Ephesus. The disciples he met were part of the believing remnant of Israel, seeing they were baptized with John's baptism (Acts 19:2). Paul went into the synagogue to preach Christ (Acts 18:19 19:8); this church of believing Jews was probably established upon being scattered into Asia (1 Peter 1:1).
This believing church of Jews who were baptized by John was more than likely the church John sent his letter to in Revelations 2:1 and not to the church Paul established.

I have no idea what you're talking about, and neither do you.

So did the Jews kick out all of the Gentiles in the Ephesian church?

Scripture for that, please.

 

[covenantee]

That doesnt say we get their covenants

2 Corinthians 3
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

We got that Covenant at Calvary.

 

[Doug]

So did the Jews kick out all of the Gentiles in the Ephesian church?

Paul would have preached that Christ was the Son of God in the synagogue.................[Act 9:20 KJV] 20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

 

[covenantee]

Paul would have preached that Christ was the Son of God in the synagogue.................[Act 9:20 KJV] 20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Preaching to Gentiles. Ephesians 3:1

 

[Doug]

2 Corinthians 3
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

We got that Covenant at Calvary.

As able ministers we should convey that although we are not under the new testament we have been made partakers of Christ's shed blood for the forgiveness of our sin. We do not minister keeping the law by the Spirit but rather walking in the Spirit for life (Galatians 5:25) to fulfill the righteousness of the law (Romans 8:4)

 

[covenantee]

As able ministers we should convey that although we are not under the new testament we have been made partakers of Christ's shed blood for the forgiveness of our sin. We do not minister keeping the law by the Spirit but rather walking in the Spirit for life (Galatians 5:25) to fulfill the righteousness of the law (Romans 8:4)

I'm an able minister of the New Testament under the New Testament.

Sorry about you if you're not.

 

[WPM]

[Luk 16:22-23 KJV] 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Here is scripture that shows what happens during that dispensation to those who die....therefore the good side is paradise

By your failure to bring any relevant biblical evidence to the table you are admitting you have nothing. What you present was before the cross. You know that! Something happened 2000 years ago where Hades was conquered. Read Rev 1:18: "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell (Gr. Hades) and of death."

 

[WPM]

I'm an able minister of the New Testament under the New Testament.

Sorry about you if you're not.

He seems to want to live in the defeat and death of the old covenant. He cannot see the victory of the New Covenant

 

[WPM]

As able ministers we should convey that although we are not under the new testament we have been made partakers of Christ's shed blood for the forgiveness of our sin. We do not minister keeping the law by the Spirit but rather walking in the Spirit for life (Galatians 5:25) to fulfill the righteousness of the law (Romans 8:4)

Stop spreading a false gospel. You are fighting the Book. It is the greatest enemy of your false teaching.

 

[WPM]

Preaching to Gentiles. Ephesians 3:1

There is no Scripture that can persuade him from his error. He sidesteps or rejects every passage presented to him. His rebuttal is his own imaginations.

 

[WPM]

As able ministers we should convey that although we are not under the new testament we have been made partakers of Christ's shed blood for the forgiveness of our sin. We do not minister keeping the law by the Spirit but rather walking in the Spirit for life (Galatians 5:25) to fulfill the righteousness of the law (Romans 8:4)

You should write your own Bible. You seem to have such an issue with the real one.