The end of the world, as taught by Christ, separates the wicked from the just at the harvest, and it is coming for you.

[Scott Downey]

Mathew 13
47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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When Christ returns, the separating out of one from the other, both who are in this world occurs.
Christ compares the end of the world to come and the glories that are to follow as harvesting-gathering, such as of grain, fish. Where the good ones, declared just by God by their faith are separated from the bad ones, the unjust, who have no faith in God.
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24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

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36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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At the end of this world, what comes next is the appearing of His kingdom on the new earth
We get a new earth and a new heaven in which dwells no evil thing.

The cause of the fall in Eden was evil in both heaven and earth in the form of celestial heavenly beings, Satan and his angels, who rebelled against God and Christ.

 

[grafted branch]

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Since the angels gather out of the kingdom all that offend and do iniquity, how did the tares get into the kingdom of God in the first place? Did they lose their salvation?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Mathew 13
47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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When Christ returns, the separating out of one from the other, both who are in this world occurs.
Christ compares the end of the world to come and the glories that are to follow as harvesting-gathering, such as of grain, fish. Where the good ones, declared just by God by their faith are separated from the bad ones, the unjust, who have no faith in God.
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24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

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36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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At the end of this world, what comes next is the appearing of His kingdom on the new earth
We get a new earth and a new heaven in which dwells no evil thing.

The cause of the fall in Eden was evil in both heaven and earth in the form of celestial heavenly beings, Satan and his angels, who rebelled against God and Christ.

Agree. Passages like that show that the saved and the lost will all be gathered at the same time at the end of the age/world (Greek: aion) which is when Jesus returns (Matt 24:3) with the saved inheriting "the kingdom of their Father" since Jesus will be delivering the kingdom to the Father at that time (1 Cor 15:22-24) in the form of the eternal new heavens and new earth and the unsaved being cast into the fire at that time. It's the same thing Jesus taught in passages like Matthew 13:47-50 and Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus clearly taught Amillennialism and not Premillennialism.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Since the angels gather out of the kingdom all that offend and do iniquity, how did the tares get into the kingdom of God in the first place? Did they lose their salvation?

Look at the parable more carefully. In the parable Jesus isn't referring to the kingdom of God in the sense of the spiritual kingdom that only believers who have been born again are in. He refers to "the world" as His kingdom in the parable because He reigns over the entire world/earth (Matthew 28:18).

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Do you see here how it refers to "his field"? He later says that the field is the world (Matt 13:38). So, the world is Jesus's world. As He said, He has all power in heaven and in earth (Matthew 28:18). He points out that both the wheat and the tares grow together in His world until the harvest, which He later said represents the end of the age/world (Matt 13:39). So, when it refers to His kingdom in Matthew 13:41 it's not referring to His spiritual kingdom in which only believers are in, but to the world (the earth) that He reigns over.

 

[grafted branch]

Look at the parable more carefully. In the parable Jesus isn't referring to the kingdom of God in the sense of the spiritual kingdom that only believers who have been born again are in. He refers to "the world" as His kingdom in the parable because He reigns over the entire world/earth (Matthew 28:18).

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Do you see here how it refers to "his field"? He later says that the field is the world (Matt 13:38). So, the world is Jesus's world. As He said, He has all power in heaven and in earth (Matthew 28:18). He points out that both the wheat and the tares grow together in His world until the harvest, which He later said represents the end of the age/world (Matt 13:39). So, when it refers to His kingdom in Matthew 13:41 it's not referring to His spiritual kingdom in which only believers are in, but to the world (the earth) that He reigns over.

Ok, so there are two kingdoms of God that are both occurring simultaneously?

 

[Scott Downey]

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Since the angels gather out of the kingdom all that offend and do iniquity, how did the tares get into the kingdom of God in the first place? Did they lose their salvation?

No, Christ takes up His great power and reigns over all in a demonstration of His power.
And read Psalm 2

Like this

Rev 11

Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”


For relevance here, the time for judging the nations has come.

15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The [f]kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was [g]and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
18 The nations were angry, and Your [h]wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Let go of your old ideas and look at the things taught in the New Testament is my advice.

 

[Scott Downey]

Ok, so there are two kingdoms of God that are both occurring simultaneously?

No, how do you find that? No and no.

 

[grafted branch]

No, Christ takes up His great power and reigns over all in a demonstration of His power.
And read Psalm 2

Like this

Rev 11

Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”


For relevance here, the time for judging the nations has come.

15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The [f]kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was [g]and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
18 The nations were angry, and Your [h]wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

In Matthew 13:24 the man sows good seed in His field and in Matthew 13:37 the word “sowing” <4687> is a present tense verb, so we know the Son of man was sowing when He spoke those words.

The tares were sown back before Jesus died on the cross, right?

 

[grafted branch]

No, how do you find that? No and no.

Spiritual Israel put forth that idea.

 

[Scott Downey]

In Matthew 13:24 the man sows good seed in His field and in Matthew 13:37 the word “sowing” <4687> is a present tense verb, so we know the Son of man was sowing when He spoke those words.

The tares were sown back before Jesus died on the cross, right?

The devil IMO, is always sowing his seed, even if thrown into a bottomless pit. He is not powerless until he is thrown into the lake of fire.
What does Paul teach in Ephesians 2 about the wicked in this world?

Christ tells us people desire to do the will of their father.

Ephesians 2 written after Christ's defeat of principalities and powers

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[grafted branch]

The devil IMO, is always sowing his seed, even if thrown into a bottomless pit. He is not powerless until he is thrown into the lake of fire.
What does Paul teach in Ephesians 2 about the wicked in this world?

Christ tells us people desire to do the will of their father.

Ephesians 2 written after Christ's defeat of principalities and powers

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Satan sowing through out time doesn’t fit the parable, he went his way after sowing the tares.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ok, so there are two kingdoms of God that are both occurring simultaneously?

Not exactly. Maybe technically, I guess. I'll try to explain further.

You see that Jesus said the field in the parable is His field and that the wheat and tares grow together in the field until the harvest, which represents the end of the age/world, right? And He said that the field in the parable represented the world, thereby making the world His world. Are you with me so far?

So, as He continued to explain the parable, He indicated that the tares (the wicked) would be separated from the wheat (the righteous) at the end of the age. Remember, they both grow together in His world until the end of the age. So, when He talked about the tares/wicked being taking out of His kingdom and separated from the wheat/righteous He was just referring to them no longer growing together in His world, but being separated. So, He used the word "kingdom" to reference His world in that verse.

While the spiritual kingdom of God only consists of born again believers, there is a sense in which this world belongs to Jesus and is His kingdom as well since He has all power on earth (Matthew 28:18). But, this world is not the kingdom of God that we belong to spiritually. Only born again believers are in the spiritual kingdom of God. But, Jesus is also King over the entire world in the sense that He has authority over the entire world/earth (Matt 28:18, Eph 1:19-22). He is King over unbelievers whether they acknowledge it or not, but they are not in His spiritual kingdom which did not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not worldly (John 18:36).

Notice in Matthew 13:43 that the wicked are cast into the fire and "the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father". So, can you see that two different kingdoms are being referenced in the parable? One that everyone is part of (Jesus's world - the earth) and one that only believers are part of (the spiritual kingdom of God).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Spiritual Israel put forth that idea.

No, Jesus put forth that idea by indicating that the wicked are taken out of His kingdom at the end of the age. We know that they are not in His spiritual kingdom, so He had to be referring to "His field" that He referenced in the parable, which represented His world, which represents His kingdom in the sense that He is King over the entire earth (Matt 28:18). But, that has to be differentiated from His kingdom that only born again believers are in that He will deliver to the Father at His future coming at the end of the age at which point the righteous will "shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father" (Matt 13:43).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Let go of your old ideas and look at the things taught in the New Testament is my advice.

He is deceived by his preterists beliefs, so he has trouble understanding that parables like Matthew 13:24-30 (explained in Matthew 13:36-43) teach about what will happen in the future at the end of this temporal age which then ushers in the eternal age to come. He thinks the end of the age occurred in 70 AD instead.

 

[grafted branch]

You see that Jesus said the field in the parable is His field and that the wheat and tares grow together in the field until the harvest, which represents the end of the age/world, right? And He said that the field in the parable represented the world, thereby making the world His world. Are you with me so far?

No, the world is referring to the location where this parable takes place. Satan drew a third of the stars from heaven. We know this parable is not referring to Revelation 12.

While the spiritual kingdom of God only consists of born again believers, there is a sense in which this world belongs to Jesus and is His kingdom as well since He has all power on earth (Matthew 28:18). But, this world is not the kingdom of God that we belong to spiritually. Only born again believers are in the spiritual kingdom of God. But, Jesus is also King over the entire world in the sense that He has authority over the entire world/earth (Matt 28:18, Eph 1:19-22). He is King over unbelievers whether they acknowledge it or not, but they are not in His spiritual kingdom which did not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not worldly (John 18:36).

Right, Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

So, as He continued to explain the parable, He indicated that the tares (the wicked) would be separated from the wheat (the righteous) at the end of the age. Remember, they both grow together in His world until the end of the age. So, when He talked about the tares/wicked being taking out of His kingdom and separated from the wheat/righteous He was just referring to them no longer growing together in His world, but being separated. So, He used the word "kingdom" to reference His world in that verse.

The tares got into the kingdom under the old covenant. Under the new covenant only believers are allowed to enter the kingdom. When the old covenant age finally came to an end the tares were removed at that time.

 

[Scott Downey]

Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Satan sowing through out time doesn’t fit the parable, he went his way after sowing the tares.

However the time includes the time up to the harvest, and it is a parable you know, you don't have to make everything fit from your brain's ideas into a parable

 

[Scott Downey]

God's field is the world, People are born, live, die right until the harvest. If you think the devil sowing seed is a one-off event from the past, then you are scripturally out of alignment.

Those who do not believe have been blinded in the minds by Satan, there exist children of the devil to this very day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, the world is referring to the location where this parable takes place.

I didn't say otherwise. I'm saying that the world is His world because Jesus said the field represents the world, thereby making it His world. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Satan drew a third of the stars from heaven. We know this parable is not referring to Revelation 12.

Where did I say that? I said nothing about Revelation 12.

The tares got into the kingdom under the old covenant. Under the new covenant only believers are allowed to enter the kingdom. When the old covenant age finally came to an end the tares were removed at that time.

Ugh. You are so blinded by false preterist doctrine. Jesus was talking about what will happen at the end of the age which has not yet come. When He spoke of ages, He did not speak in terms of an old covenant age and new covenant age. He spoke in terms of this temporal age when people get married and they die in contrast to the eternal age to come when people will no longer get married or die (Luke 20:34-36).

The old covenant ended at the cross as I've told you many times. So, if there was such thing as an old covenant age, it ended then. And the parable of the wheat and tares is not about that, it's about the righteous and wicked in the world being separated when Jesus returns at the end of the age in the future.

No one has yet been cast into the fire as Jesus said will happen at the end of the age, so how can you think the end of the age has already come? Also, Jesus said the kingdom will be called "the kingdom of their Father" at the end of the age. We are not yet in the kingdom of the Father. That doesn't happen until Jesus comes in the future when the resurrection of the dead occurs and He then delivers the kingdom to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:22-24).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God's field is the world, People are born, live, die right until the harvest. If you think the devil sowing seed is a one-off event from the past, then you are scripturally out of alignment.

Those who do not believe have been blinded in the minds by Satan, there exist children of the devil to this very day.

Right. For him to not recognize that the devil is still sowing seeds today and for him to not recognize that there are still wheat (children of the kingdom) and tares (children of the wicked one) in the field/world today and that they are still growing together today shows an unbelievable lack of discernment on his part.