Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[Jack]

I guess I'd have to ask for clarification. So voices in one's head can be messengers of Satan. And some aren't? Who's voice could the other one be?

If you knew the Bible you wouldn't have to ask that question!

 

[One 2 question]

When you forsook the Bible you opened the door to Satan! You don't know what spirits you are listening to. God's people do not forsake the Bible! We live by it every day.

I thought we had moved on from that inaccurate interpretation of what I said and meant.

Your accusation when you use the phrase on repeat, 'you forsook the bible' is your words not mine. Just to clarify.

Forsook - dictionary meaning: The phrase "forsake" means to abandon, desert, or leave entirely. "Never to return" adds the crucial element of finality, indicating that the leaving is permanent.

I have never left or forsook the Word of God. I communicate with Him every day. We interact with eachother, He hears me and I hear Him.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding that may have arisen. I'm thinking Satan likes to twist the truth and make up an untruth.

Thanks be to our God that we have the Spirit of Truth close by to dispel untruths that creep into our chats.

 

[Jack]

I thought we had moved on from that inaccurate interpretation of what I said and meant.

Your accusation when you use the phrase on repeat, 'you forsook the bible' is your words not mine. Just to clarify.

Forsook - dictionary meaning: The phrase "forsake" means to abandon, desert, or leave entirely. "Never to return" adds the crucial element of finality, indicating that the leaving is permanent.

I have never left or forsook the Word of God. I communicate with Him every day. We interact with eachother, He hears me and I hear Him.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding that may have arisen. I'm thinking Satan likes to twist the truth and make up an untruth.

Thanks be to our God that we have the Spirit of Truth close by to dispel untruths that creep into our chats.

"Personally I have left Hawaii (bible) and have gone further afield."

"Life with God outside the bible is great!"

Couldn't be any clearer!

 

[One 2 question]

If you knew the Bible you wouldn't have to ask that question!

So if it's not Satan's voice communicating with someone, then who is it communicating with them?

 

[Jack]

So if it's not Satan's voice communicating with someone, then who is it communicating with them?

YOUR comments:

"Personally I have left Hawaii (bible) and have gone further afield."

"Life with God outside the bible is great!"

 

[One 2 question]

"Personally I have left Hawaii (bible) and have gone further afield."

"Life with God outside the bible is great!"

Couldn't be any clearer!

Forsook: The phrase "forsake" means to abandon, desert, or leave entirely. "Never to return" adds the crucial element of finality, indicating that the leaving is permanent.

I openly admit that I have never forsaken the Word of God. We are one, He never leaves me and I certainly won't forsake Him. As with His early disciple when tempted to abandon, and forsake Jesus, they said, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

“This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

 

[Jack]

Forsook: The phrase "forsake" means to abandon, desert, or leave entirely. "Never to return" adds the crucial element of finality, indicating that the leaving is permanent.

I openly admit that I have never forsaken the Word of God. We are one, He never leaves me and I certainly won't forsake Him. As with His early disciple when tempted to abandon, and forsake Jesus, they said, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

“This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

Not "red flag", but "RED FLAG":

"Personally I have left Hawaii (bible) and have gone further afield."

"Life with God outside the bible is great!"

Any Bible believing Christian would know exactly what you meant!

 

[One 2 question]

YOUR comments:

"Personally I have left Hawaii (bible) and have gone further afield."

"Life with God outside the bible is great!"

As He, the Word of God is referenced throughout the bible I find returning to the historical Word of God, Jesus of history, a good place to return from time to time. This has been evident in my quoting of God's words found in the bible.

Of course there are God's words that have been like gold which have come from outside the bibles. Of this truth I will never deny.

Why would you or anyone else want to deny us of God's words, God's truths. Moreso, The Word of God (Jesus) and the Spirit of Truth (Holy Ghost).

 

[Jack]

As He, the Word of God is referenced throughout the bible I find returning to the historical Word of God, Jesus of history, a good place to return from time to time. This has been evident in my quoting of God's words found in the bible.

Of course there are God's words that have been like gold which have come from outside the bibles. Of this truth I will never deny.

God's words outside the Bibles? lol Are you hearing voices again?

 

[One 2 question]

Not "red flag", but "RED FLAG":

"Personally I have left Hawaii (bible) and have gone further afield."

"Life with God outside the bible is great!"

Any Bible believing Christian would know exactly what you meant!

Actually, no we don't. Please explain.

 

[Jack]

Actually, no we don't. Please explain.

You speak a different 'language' than Bible believers. You cite Bible when it's convenient. I don't think you're gonna fare well on Judgment Day. Oh that's right, you preach unBiblical Universalism.

 

[One 2 question]

So just to clarify what you seem to be saying. In your opinion when Jesus said, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.’” He was prophesying specifically of the biblical canons.

If so which one? The most exhaustive 88 book bible? Or the original 80 book KJV? Or the modifieded 66 book version?

Which one contains every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God that we are to live by?

 

[One 2 question]

You speak a different 'language' than Bible believers. You cite Bible when it's convenient. I don't think you're gonna fare well on Judgment Day. Oh that's right, you preach unBiblical Universalism.

I'm happy to speak the language of the bibles as I have from my first ever post in this forum through to now.

Please correct me if I'm not correct. It appears that you wouldn't be as concerned with us if we were to claim to find truth exclusively outside of the bibles, but you are that we can find truths outside AND inside the bibles.

You'd rather we be exclusively in or out. All bible or no bible.

We love God and His truth's where they be found. He is found in heaven and on earth. God can be found to be everywhere. Therefore He can be known everywhere. If I went to heaven He is there. If I be on earth He us there. If I go to hell He is there. He reveals Himself wherever He is found, whereever He is observed, seen and heard.

If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.

It's this fantastic!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I guess, then there is confidence that can be interpreted as arrogance or appear as being puffed up. Maybe sometimes it can be hard to discern the difference.

Agree. I’ve been thinking a lot about
John 7:24 “Do not judge by the outward appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

And also
2 Corinthians 6:7-10 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, [8] By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; [9] As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; [10] As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

The point in quoting those verses is I do agree it’s hard because what if I’m judging someone as prideful and arrogant by what is seen outwardly in the flesh? I think of Paul writing to the Corinthians who wanted proof Christ speaks in him. They’re calling him a reprobate. At first glance, I would judge the Corinthians as puffed up against their brothers, as arrogant but is that what is outward and seen? Paul (or Christ in Him) sees that which is not yet seen, seeing that which is not seen praying “I trust even though you do not yet see, you will see.” The hope of Christ formed in them. Just like Saul didn’t see Christ in Stephen
Acts 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:”
and Saul after the flesh judged Stephen as worthy to be stoned to death. After Paul’s eyes are opened, he saw he had consented to the death of his own brother.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It's all about God coming in the flesh, Jesus. Matthew - Rev!

That stands out with
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

? What does that mean to you?

 

[One 2 question]

Agree. I’ve been thinking a lot about
John 7:24 “Do not judge by the outward appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

And also
2 Corinthians 6:7-10 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, [8] By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; [9] As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; [10] As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

The point in quoting those verses is I do agree it’s hard because what if I’m judging someone as prideful and arrogant by what is seen outwardly in the flesh? I think of Paul writing to the Corinthians who wanted proof Christ speaks in him. They’re calling him a reprobate. At first glance, I would judge the Corinthians as puffed up against their brothers, as arrogant but is that what is outward and seen? Paul (or Christ in Him) sees that which is not yet seen, seeing that which is not seen praying “I trust even though you do not yet see, you will see.” The hope of Christ formed in them. Just like Saul didn’t see Christ in Stephen and judged Stephen as worthy to be stoned to death.

Yes, I encourage others and myself to suspend judgement. To spend the time and energy one would use to build up a case to judge, even condemn someone and instead invest that time and energy in getting to know that person and their real story, the one most people tend to hide out of guilt, shame, appearing weak or strong or arrogant or confident and who knows what other reasons.

This does take time and energy I know but often it is really worth the effort. I have reaped the rewards of making this my practice when engaging others. Many of my now close friends would've been missed, or should I say misunderstood, judged and rejected.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

. To spend the time and energy one would use to build up a case to judge, even condemn someone and instead invest that time and energy in getting to know that person and their real story, the one most people tend to hide out of guilt, shame, appearing weak or strong or arrogant or confident and who knows what other reasons.

Makes sense. Again I think of motive and how only God knows the motive. In my history I had an encounter with two that really hurt and stole and took. I can’t explain it but really at the heart of it, it became evident through the outward hard exterior they did those things to hide and were genuinely afraid. That is what amazes me about the word how God knows our motives. Take narcissistic nature…behind it hides (covers) damage and fear to protect and not be exposed out of fear of not being strong enough to handle the truth. Yet God’s mercy in “when we are weak, He is Strong.” I think that is what you are suggesting. How to help those afraid to be exposed to trust in His Mercy, Grace and forgiveness?

 

[One 2 question]

Makes sense. Again I think of motive and how only God knows the motive. In my history I had an encounter with two that really hurt and stole and took. I can’t explain it but really at the heart of it, it became evident through the outward hard exterior they did those things to hide and were genuinely afraid. That is what amazes me about the word how God knows our motives. Take narcissistic nature…behind it hides (covers) damage and fear to protect and not be exposed out of fear of not being strong enough to handle the truth. Yet God’s mercy in “when we are weak, He is Strong.” I think that is what you are suggesting. How to help those afraid to be exposed to trust in His Mercy, Grace and forgiveness?

God's mercy, grace, forgiveness are inherited traits, inherited from the Spirit Who was sent to infuse and transfer God's nature into us.

Isn't it encouraging to see the nature and character of the Divine Father and Creator in eachother and ourselves. This is truly a miracle which can only be performed by God. Glory to Him Who Iis LOVE.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Makes sense. Again I think of motive and how only God knows the motive. In my history I had an encounter with two that really hurt and stole and took. I can’t explain it but really at the heart of it, it became evident through the outward hard exterior they did those things to hide and were genuinely afraid. That is what amazes me about the word how God knows our motives. Take narcissistic nature…behind it hides (covers) damage and fear to protect and not be exposed out of fear of not being strong enough to handle the truth. Yet God’s mercy in “when we are weak, He is Strong.” I think that is what you are suggesting. How to help those afraid to be exposed to trust in His Mercy, Grace and forgiveness?

Thinking further on this. It reminds me of when Adam and Eve heard Him call but hid themselves out of fear. And the verses about coming to the Light that your deeds be made known, as a work of God. Considering this it’s one thing to tell others “We Trust” to step into the light for God is better than hiding in the darkness. Men won’t come unto light out of fear that their deeds be made known. If we only focus on those who won’t come to the light out of fear their deeds be made known. Just my opinion but that is what I meant about how can we become an example instead that there is no fear in love? Is it by telling them if they come out of the darkness and into the Light that God is not love? I do think that is what Satan convinced them (I can relate because I was convinced also God is a tyrant) …where don’t step into the Light for God will destroy you instead of “His Strength is made perfect in weakness”.

 

[Jack]

I'm happy to speak the language of the bibles as I have from my first ever post in this forum through to now.

Please correct me if I'm not correct. It appears that you wouldn't be as concerned with us if we were to claim to find truth exclusively outside of the bibles, but you are that we can find truths outside AND inside the bibles.

What doesn't the Christian Bible tell us about God that we need to know???

You'd rather we be exclusively in or out. All bible or no bible.

For Christians it's ALL BIBLE! It tells us all we need to know about God!

We love God and His truth's where they be found. He is found in heaven and on earth. God can be found to be everywhere. Therefore He can be known everywhere. If I went to heaven He is there. If I be on earth He us there. If I go to hell He is there. He reveals Himself wherever He is found, whereever He is observed, seen and heard.

If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.

It's this fantastic!

Your comment: "Everyone gets to do time in hell. Actually, to spend forever and ever in hell. That includes you and me. Period."

And yet you believe in Universalism!

I think those voices you're hearing have your head spinning!