Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[St. SteVen]

Ok....I am now going to draw a line in the sand .

Let me know when the line is in granite. - LOL

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[Ritajanice]

I don't use divine authority. (except on kingdom business)
That's what this topic was about.

Playing the "God card" to end the discussion. - Misuse of God's name?

"My doctrinal opinion is true; you're doctrinal opinion is false." - Got it? Say what? Or worse... "Who should I believe, you, or the Word of God?" (in reference to a man-made doctrinal opinion) Basically, playing the "God card" to win a doctrinal argument. "How will you top that?" Why do...

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Apparently in Christ, we have divine authority...another topic..just been reading about our authority in Christ...from the inspired word.

Very interesting...needs to be studied I believe.

You are seated in the power position, and you are His heir (Romans 8:17). That means that everything that's His -- including His authority -- now belongs to you. The door to exercising your authority in Christ hinges on Ephesians 1:20 and Ephesians 2:6, the verses that say we are seated with God in Christ.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I have encountered some that I thought had fallen into this trap.

I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?"
The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come?

To be clear, I love the Bible and use it every day. But I know the difference between the book and the author.
In my experience, my relationship with the author is much more important than my relationship with the book.
Appropriate scriptures come to my mind all day long. Due to the work of the Spirit to quicken these things to my memory.

The Bible is not omniscient. (all knowing)
The Bible is not omnipresent. (everywhere present)
The Bible is not omnipotent. (all powerful)

The Bible does NOT love me.
It's paper and ink, maybe a leather cover. (or digital info)
That cow didn't die to pay my sin debt.

A true Bibliolator will demand chapter and verse to support my premise. - LOL

The bottom line:
Let's use the Bible to grow closer to God and each other, rather than as a weapon to destroy each other.

John 13:35 NIV
By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author​

The title of your thread is interesting. Lots of thoughts this morning while having my coffee and considering your title.

First, what stands out for me about your title is a desire to know more scripture than others, and to be absolute that our theology is the right one. So much so that we mock, eye roll, and exclude others as not having the same knowledge of God.<which mocking, eye rolls, and laughing others down as they just don’t understand or have the same grand knowledge of the Bible and end time doctrines. < in itself makes you wonder about the knowledge that bears the fruit of eye rolls, mocking others and ridiculing others as “we have the true knowledge of the intent of the Author” of the Bible. Just thinking…
For example knowledge puffs up. Love edifies. Where do we ignore our knowledge has puffed us up, that knowledge being more important than the Nature of the Author?

Second, as a writer I think of books written. Some tell a dark tale but it’s necessary, I think, to understand the intent of the author. What is the message? Do they support the dark tale or is there a message being given? Regarding God as the ultimate Author and Creator is it more important to place all the scriptures in what men call their order, intent and purpose. Or to have knowledge of the intent of the Author and creator, whom reveals Christ?

Third, is a personal testimony. As a writer I keep thinking I might have one more book in me. I would love to write about “the woman” in Numbers 5. But I don’t know if that will ever happen. For the longest time I’ve been thinking God will help it happen. Thinking that book is my purpose. But recently I’ve been thinking a lot about my past and the wrongs I’ve done to others, and the damage and harm I have done to others. It’s overwhelmingly humiliating. The more seen the damage and harm I caused becomes, the more I have to trust in Him. I can’t go back and rewrite the wrongs and harm. I feel nailed to no way out, no freedom from the harm and wrongs (wasting); except One. Where I thought my purpose was to write a book and share knowledge of the Bible…I think I’m beginning to see to my core that I never considered my part may be the humiliation of all the damage and harm I caused to others. because I can’t rewrite what is past, and the only Hope is in Christ. it can only be by His power. I think of Saul who consented to the stoning of Stephen. Paul could not go back and undo or atone for what he’d done to shed the blood of another. But Paul magnified God’s strength and power in weakness. Point is…maybe a book is no concern to God. I want to write a book. But what if more importantly is to be taught of the intent of the greatest Author Creator. to Magnify His Mercy, Grace and Forgiveness to those who are convinced it is hopeless for all the wrong and harm they have done.

Point is, no I never considered it may be through my failure and inadequacy and weakness that His strength is made perfect. not through writing a Christian book.

 

[St. SteVen]

By the way @St. SteVen ...would you start a thread about divine authority....as I find those words interesting and resonated with my spirit.?

What is divine authority ....I would like to research that more...best not take this thread anymore off topic...that we have both been doing...

Here you go.

Divine Authority - The use and abuse

Kingdom business is done in the name (divine authority) of Jesus' name. - Jesus gave His disciples authority over demons and to heal the sick (scripture below) - The disciples observed others, outside the group, using the authority of Jesus' name. (scripture below) - Jesus said that in the...

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[One 2 question]

Life came into the world, by the second Adam.....all people imo, doesn’t mean everyone...it means “ ALL” that the Father gives to the Son.

And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God and they will reign on the earth.”

 

[One 2 question]

I just post what I believe he places on my heart to speak...that is my belief...of course sometimes I can get personal, therefore that is not of God.

I don't think you're the only one in that boat.

Are you saying that not everything one speaks is by inspiration of the indwelling Spirit? Like Paul.

To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing .....

 

[Jack]

Stick with the New Covenant. It will lead you from Hell Fire! It's the written Word of God!

 

[One 2 question]

I don't think you're the only one in that boat.

Are you saying that not everything one speaks is by inspiration of the indwelling Spirit? Like Paul.

To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing .....

As we know not every word or thought expressed in the bible is from the Lord, people being carried along by the Spirit, under the inspiration of the Spirit as Paul confirms.

As Peter and Paul had disagreements, one having to correct another, it is clear that one or both were not being inspired by the Spirit. But that's OK, Paul explains that in Romans 7. What he wants to do by the Spirit he doesn't do. At other times what the Spirit is encouraging him to do he doesn't.

We too are carried along, led, guided by the same Spirit. We too obediently follow the Spirit, sometimes we don't.

I'm so glad that over and above our belief/unbelief and action/inaction God is sovereign, transforming us into the likeness of His Son Jesus Christ. And at some time in the future we will be changed, any shortfall will be made up when what is corrupt will be incorrupt.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

 

[Jack]

As we know not every word or thought expressed in the bible is from the Lord,

We??? You and those voices in your head? Are they telling you there's no eternal Hell fire?

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

 

[One 2 question]

what stands out for me about your title is a desire to know more scripture than others, and to be absolute that our theology is the right one. So much so that we mock, eye roll, and exclude others as not having the same knowledge of God.<which mocking, eye rolls, and laughing others down as they just don’t understand or have the same grand knowledge of the Bible and end time doctrines. < in itself makes you wonder about the knowledge that bears the fruit of eye rolls, mocking others and ridiculing others as “we have the true knowledge of the intent of the Author” of the Bible. Just thinking…
For example knowledge puffs up. Love edifies. Where do we ignore our knowledge has puffed us up, that knowledge being more

I guess, then there is confidence that can be interpreted as arrogance or appear as being puffed up. Maybe sometimes it can be hard to discern the difference.

I agree that the fruit or evidence of love can define the tree, the person.

Good trees bear good fruit. Praise the Spirit of God Who produces the character of our Father in our life. Without Him we can only bear the fruit of our natural sinful nature.

 

[One 2 question]

Third, is a personal testimony.

Yes, a personal testimony of a personal relationship with God's Spirit. Who we get to know as we live life together throughout each moment of each day. This is incredible. To think that we are perfectly compatible with eachother, His Spirit to our spirit, our spirit in His Spirit.

I love hearing peoples story of how they are guided, led, carried along by God's resident Holy Spirit.

 

[One 2 question]

Some tell a dark tale but it’s necessary, I think, to understand the intent of the author.

And this too is incredible. That we get to know the Author and Creator on a personal level so that we can in knowing Him, understand His intent.

God is LOVE this I know for His Spirit has shown me so.

 

[Jack]

And this too is incredible. That we get to know the Author and Creator on a personal level so that we can in knowing Him, understand His intent.

God is LOVE this I know for His Spirit has shown me so.

Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[One 2 question]

We??? You and those voices in your head? Are they telling you there's no eternal Hell fire?

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron.

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

6 If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

So you have heard people in this forum forbidding people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods?

I haven't read anything like this but I'm thinking you have as you keep quoting these 2 verses on repeat.....

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron.

You wouldn't be taking them out of context, trying to apply them to something else by any chance.

 

[One 2 question]

Stick with the New Covenant. It will lead you from Hell Fire! It's the written Word of God!

Can you inform us of what YOU mean when you use the term New Covenant. Thanks

 

[Jack]

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

6 If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

So you have heard people in this forum forbidding people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods?

I haven't read anything like this but I'm thinking you have as you keep quoting these 2 verses on repeat.....

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron.

You wouldn't be taking them out of context, trying to apply them to something else by any chance.

Glad you're paying attention! Instead of listening to voices in your head that can be messengers of Satan!

 

[Jack]

Can you inform us of what YOU mean when you use the term New Covenant. Thanks

It's all about God coming in the flesh, Jesus. Matthew - Rev!

 

[One 2 question]

Hebrews 10:31
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Context: If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

I dare not insult the very Spirit of God Who He has sent to me, to live in me, to lead and guide me, to communicate with me.

I was brought up around Christians who did this as a matter of course. They showed contempt to those who spoke in tongues, prophesied, raised their hands in worship, prayed to Jesus or God's Spirit. They didn't realise that by insulting, by despising (to look down upon with disfavor or contempt; to contemn; to scorn; to disdain; to have a low opinion or contemptuous dislike of) the temple of the Spirit, they were doing unto the new Resident and Owner.

Yes, these Spirit filled people were bought with a price, the very blood of the Lamb of God as a possession for God the Father.

And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

I encourage anyone not to insult or despise the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jack]

Context: If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

I dare not insult the very Spirit of God Who He has sent to me, to live in me, to lead and guide me, to communicate with me.

I was brought up around Christians who did this as a matter of course. They showed contempt to those who spoke in tongues, prophesied, raised their hands in worship, prayed to Jesus or God's Spirit. They didn't realise that by insulting, by despising (to look down upon with disfavor or contempt; to contemn; to scorn; to disdain; to have a low opinion or contemptuous dislike of) the temple of the Spirit, they were doing unto the new Resident and Owner.

Yes, these Spirit filled people were bought with a price, the very blood of the Lamb of God as a possession for God the Father.

And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

I encourage anyone not to insult or despise the Holy Spirit.

When you forsook the Bible you opened the door to Satan! You don't know what spirits you are listening to. God's people do not forsake the Bible! We live by it every day.

 

[One 2 question]

Glad you're paying attention! Instead of listening to voices in your head that can be messengers of Satan!

I guess I'd have to ask for clarification. So voices in one's head can be messengers of Satan. And some aren't? Who's voice could the other one be?