JOHN 14:12 WHATSOEVER YOU ASK

[Jack]

Romans
2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 2:1
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

Israel identity thieves are definitely "inexcusable"!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Israel was still God's people even tho they forsook Him.

I don’t doubt that. I read the same as you of the Mercy of God. Yet God’s Mercy (Imo) is that they turn from their own ways and seek His way.

Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

You didn’t answer? What of
Romans 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: [7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. [8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

These follow Jesus. Judaism does not,

What does that mean to you?

 

[soberxp]

Israel identity thieves are definitely "inexcusable"!

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[Jack]

I don’t doubt that. I read the same as you of the Mercy of God. Yet God’s Mercy (Imo) is that they turn from their own ways and seek His way.

And they will!

You didn’t answer? What of
Romans 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: [7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. [8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

And if we keep reading:

Romans 11:25-27
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

 

[VictoryinJesus]

And they will!

And if we keep reading:

Romans 11:25-27
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

I’m not denying that. I was also thinking of
Romans 11:30-33 For as you in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: [31] Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. [32] For God has concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. [33] O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But this is how I see not all was Israel — why discount “through the seed of promise” which to me returns back to, through Christ is Life.

You said I’m an Israel wanna be. I had to think about that after you posted it a little ago. Maybe you are right. I am a through the Spirit of God wanna be. But hopefully not a through the flesh wanna be. I don’t want to be transformed and be an outward Jew by heritage. I’m a house wife from North Carolina. I’ll never visit what is called Israel today. If we look at those whom the Spirit was in 1 Peter 1:11-12 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. [12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
^ I would say that is the seed of promise.
Acts 13:32-33
And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, [33] God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

If I had to say what it means that not all are Israel…Paul said “am I not a Jew?” the Spirit of Christ also in Paul spoke of “we will gladly be poor that you be made rich” “we will gladly be weak that you be made strong.”

So by nature you assume I’m suggesting Israel will be poor so that the gentiles be made rich towards God is trying to rob the Israel of God of children? But over and over again God Himself said they are His Children, the God of Israel whom seek not their own profit but the strengthening and riches of others towards God. I don’t think it’s blasphemous to say it’s not robbery of Israel that the Israel of God be equal to God, but instead it’s by promise that they inherit and share in His Likeness. God instructed you will know them by their Fruit. Through out the Word He distinguishes whom are the children of the God of Israel …would you say it’s the Pharisees and Sadducees?

Although Saul was a Pharisees. Paul I do think was of the true Israel which comes through the Spirit and not by the works of the flesh. Who in this world becomes poor that others be made rich towards God? No flesh will be willing. It’s offensive to the works of the flesh. Christ even said the flesh is weak, but the Spirit is Willing. It’s not blasphemy or robbery to distinguish the true Israel of God became poor so that others could be made rich. (Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things) (their children) (the disciples, Paul all those who walked not after the flesh but after the Spirit of God). All having this in common “this we do for you!”

Paul spoke of as owning nothing but possessing all things. I am not denying the Israel of God possess all things. I’m not trying to steal from the God of Israel but magnify the nature of the Israel of God which does inherit the promises. Those of Israel which sought not after their own profit, but sought after the things that belong to the God of Israel. Again, what of the Pharisees and Sadducees which said their father was Abraham?

 

[Jack]

I’m not denying that. I was also thinking of
Romans 11:30-33 For as you in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: [31] Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. [32] For God has concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. [33] O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

But this is how I see not all was Israel but again why discount “through the seed of promise” which to me returns back to, through Christ is Life.

You said I’m an Israel wanna be. I had to think about that after you posted it a little ago. Maybe you are right. I am a through the Spirit of God wanna be. But hopefully not a through the flesh wanna be. I don’t want to be transformed and be an outward Jew by heritage. I’m a house wife from North Carolina. I’ll never visit what is called Israel today. If we look at those whom the Spirit was in 1 Peter 1:11-12 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. [12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
^ I would say that is the seed of promise.
Acts 13:32-33
And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, [33] God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

If I had to say what it means that not all are Israel…Paul said “am I not a Jew?” the Spirit of Christ also in Paul spoke of “we will gladly be poor that you be made rich” “we will gladly be weak that you be made strong.”

So by nature you assume I’m suggesting Israel will be poor so that the gentiles be made rich towards God is trying to rob the Israel of God of children? But over and over again God Himself said they are His Children, the God of Israel whom seek not their own profit but the strengthening and riches of others towards God. I don’t think it’s blasphemous to say it’s not robbery of Israel that the Israel of God be equal to God, but instead it’s by promise that they inherit and share in His Likeness. God instructed you will know them by their Fruit. Through out the Word He distinguishes whom are the children of the God of Israel …would you say it’s the Pharisees and Sadducees?

Although Saul was a Pharisees. Paul I do think was of the true Israel which comes through the Spirit and not by the works of the flesh. Who is this world becomes poor that others be made rich towards God? No flesh will be willing. Christ even said the flesh is weak, but the Spirit is Willing. It’s not blasphemy or robbery to distinguish the true Israel of God became poor so that others could be made rich. (Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things)

Paul spoke of as owning nothing but possessing all things. I am not denying the Israel of God possess all things. I’m not trying to steal from the God of Israel but magnify the nature of the Israel of God which does inherit the promises. Those of Israel which sought not after their own profit, but sought after the things that belong to the God of Israel. Again, what of the Pharisees and Sadducees which said their father was Abraham?

Christians are Christians. Israel is Israel. Not the same. God brought Israel Home to stay, in the Land of the Bible.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Christians are Christians. Israel is Israel. Not the same. God brought Israel Home to stay, in the Land of the Bible.

John 3:4-7 Nicodemus said unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? [5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, You must be born again.

Personally, (Imo) there is a better Land promised. A Land that drinks in the Spirit of God poured out For them, that Land dressed in Him, that bears the Fruit of God. If our only focus is on the birth of flesh gives birth to flesh. We need ignore Spirit giving birth to Spirit.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Seems significant with they were promised land …it being offensive to suggest they don’t return (a second time) to their mothers womb (of fear unto bondage again) but instead they return to God. Born from above of the Free Woman. Not retuning to bondage again…

 

[VictoryinJesus]

can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? [

Acts 13:34-37 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. [35] Wherefore he says also in another psalm, You will not suffer Your Holy One to see corruption. [36] For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: [37] But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

 

[Jack]

Israel is Home to stay, in the Land of the Bible!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. 15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

 

[LoveYeshua]

We are to make all our supplications known but you would have to show me a verse from Paul where it says all our prayers will be answered as to what we pray for

Paul? do we need paul for this really? what about Christ?;

John 16:23 (NKJV), which states:


"And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you."

John 14:13-14


"And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."

Jesus is faithful and always present to those who love him

 

[Doug]

Paul? do we need paul for this really? what about Christ?;

John 16:23 (NKJV), which states:


"And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you."

John 14:13-14


"And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."

Jesus is faithful and always present to those who love him

Paul is our apostle in this dispensation and in his epistles gives the church its doctrine and commandments revealed to him by Christ..........Jesus did not give the promises in John to us or Paul would have relayed them............Paul makes mention of prayer extensively but nowhere says we will get whatever we ask for...........In John he was speaking to his disciples who were under covenant.....we are not in covenant relationship

 

[LoveYeshua]

Paul is our apostle in this dispensation and in his epistles gives the church its doctrine and commandments revealed to him by Christ..........Jesus did not give the promises in John to us or Paul would have relayed them............Paul makes mention of prayer extensively but nowhere says we will get whatever we ask for...........In John he was speaking to his disciples who were under covenant.....we are not in covenant relationship

Doug, you will never learn, Jesus is the only way to eternal life, I am trying to help you but you are stuck on Paul and that all writings are for Israel witch is not true all scripture is for all humanity. I have proven this to you in the past.

By writing such things in the newbie section, realize that all the false things you are writing about, may prevent people from being saved and learning the truth, you bring confusion on this forum, this will not look good for you on the day of judgment. I have warned you before and am warning you again.

Know that is is Jesus that will judge you and all of us. All he said and was teaching must be applied, his main message was about repentance and the Kingdom of Heaven.

Doug, you have taken a wrong turn in your path to eternal life and I fear for you, because I see you are obstinate and will not listen to anyone.

As for prayer of course GOD will not give you us Ferrrari because we ask for it, but he will give us what is Just and good for us such as understanding scripture, what we need for bearing fruits, healings etc...

Please, put all your trust in Christ, the living water, drink from it ( his words) and you will see things differently, His words are life eternal, do not miss out.

I want to make a point also that all Paul said was always in the bible, nothing new from Paul, at least not for the important things that lead to salvation ( JESUS )

 

[Doug]

I want to make a point also that all Paul said was always in the bible, nothing new from Paul, at least not for the important things that lead to salvation ( JESUS )

What was new was Jew and Gentile could be saved without the law, without covenants, without Israel.......freely by grace

 

[Doug]

As for prayer of course GOD will not give you us Ferrrari because we ask for it, but he will give us what is Just and good for us such as understanding scripture, what we need for bearing fruits, healings etc...

Thats not the same as claiming verses that say we get anything we ask for

 

[LoveYeshua]

What was new was Jew and Gentile could be saved without the law, without covenants, without Israel.......freely by grace

not so! obedience is essential believing only is not enough, i will post on this just for you, you must take into consideration all that Jesus said as a whole and not just take a simple verse like" all that believe in his name will be sav, here the word believe means a lot more. I will explain.

 

[LoveYeshua]

What was new was Jew and Gentile could be saved without the law, without covenants, without Israel.......freely by grace

jesus sais so also I already pointedthis to you. it is true that jesus preached to GOD's chosen people first but He did send the disciples to preach ALL HE DID AND SAID to all the world!

The Great Commission​

Mat 28:16 Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated.

Mat 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.

Mat 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

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Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

Mat 28:20 and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

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Mrk 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mrk 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Mrk 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

Mrk 16:18 they will pick up snakes with their hands, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will be made well.”

Mrk 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Mrk 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked through them, confirming His word by the signs that accompanied it.

 

[Doug]

not so! obedience is essential believing only is not enough, i will post on this just for you, you must take into consideration all that Jesus said as a whole and not just take a simple verse like" all that believe in his name will be sav, here the word believe means a lot more. I will explain.

[Gal 3:6 KJV] 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Only believed

 

[Doug]

and He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

They were to preach the gospel of the kingdom not Paul's gospel

[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This phase of the commission will be preached in the tribulation

 

[LoveYeshua]

[Gal 3:6 KJV] 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Only believed

How did Abraham believe GOD? He trusted in GOD completely!

The phrase "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness" comes from Genesis 15:6, which is a pivotal verse in the Old Testament. Here's the verse from the New King James Version (NKJV):

Genesis 15:6 (NKJV): "And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness."

This verse occurs after God promises Abraham that his descendants will be as numerous as the stars in the sky, despite the fact that Abraham had no children at that point. Abraham, though he had doubts about how this could come to pass, believed God's promise. The key to understanding why this belief was credited to him as righteousness lies in the relationship between faith and righteousness in the Bible.

In the context of Genesis 15, Abraham's belief was about trusting in God's word, even when the circumstances seemed impossible. In that moment of faith, God declared Abraham righteous, not because of anything Abraham did, but because of his trust and faith in God's promises.

And Abraham Obeyed the Lord;

Gen 22:10 Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son.
Gen 22:11 Just then the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, “Abraham, Abraham!” “Here I am,” he replied.
Gen 22:12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy or do anything to him,” said the angel, “for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your only son from me.”
Gen 22:13 Then Abraham looked up and saw behind him a ram in a thicket, caught by its horns. So he went and took the ram and offered it as a burnt offering in place of his son.
Gen 22:14 And Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide. So to this day it is said, “On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.”
Gen 22:15 And the angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time,
Gen 22:16 saying, “By Myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your only son,
Gen 22:17 I will surely bless you, and I will multiply your descendants like the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will possess the gates of their enemies.
Gen 22:18 And through your offspring all nations of the earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

Obedience is important to the lord! and examples can be found throughout the old and new testament.

the word believe has many implication here is one of them as i said before;
Jas 2:17 So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.
Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.
Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
Jas 2:20 O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?
Jas 2:21 Was not our father Abraham justified by what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did.
Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God.
Jas 2:24 As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.
Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute justified by her actions when she welcomed the spies and sent them off on another route?
Jas 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.