SATAN, NOT BOUND YET

[Davy]

We are already anointed and have the Holy spirit living in us. Also, the Holy spirit is the spirit of christ, therefore christ also lives in us. Jesus said, I will never leave you or forsake you. Taking oil and repeating a ritual is nothing more than religious futility, like dipping a finger in water and calling it holy.

There are no evil spirits in my home because we're anointed and in Jesus presence evil doesn't reside. However, If those who preach a different Gospel than Jesus knocks on my door, I get it turned around quickly. They either listen and recieve, and some have, or leave, and many have done that too, and my home remains the temple of the Lord.

That's good.

Though I still believe in anointing with oil, like Apostle James recommended...

James 5:14-15
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
KJV

 

[dremnant]

Does the one day equals a thousand years apply in this discussion?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Does the one day equals a thousand years apply in this discussion?

It says one day is as a thousand years, not one day equals a thousand years. That means one day is just as a thousand years to the Lord, meaning there is no difference between a day and a thousand years to the Lord since He is not confined within the realm of time.

Anyway, no, that verse has no relation to the discussion.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Davy]

It says one day is as a thousand years, not one day equals a thousand years.

That statement is SO... FUNNY, it shows so much ignorance! Sounds a bit like Bill Clinton's answer, "It depends on what the word 'is' means."

The 'as' in the English language CAN be used to mean something is COMPARABLE because of EQUALITY! If I say I have 2 apples, or if I say I have two apples, I am saying the SAME thing!

A day to God is LIKE... a thousand years. There, that's another way to say it.


The word "as" in 2 Peter 3:8 is...

NT:5613
hos (hoce); probably adverb of comparative from NT:3739; which how, i.e. in that manner (very variously used, as follows):

KJV - about, after (that), (according) as (it had been, it were), as soon (as), even as (like), for, how (greatly), like (as, unto), since, so (that), that, to wit, unto, when ([-soever]), while, with all speed.

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That statement is SO... FUNNY, it shows so much ignorance! Sounds a bit like Bill Clinton's answer, "It depends on what the word 'is' means."

It's funny that you are SO lacking in discernment. I showed that the actual text says, so it's interesting that you find the actual text to be funny.

The 'as' in the English language CAN be used to mean something is COMPARABLE because of EQUALITY! If I say I have 2 apples, or if I say I have two apples, I am saying the SAME thing!

A day to God is LIKE... a thousand years. There, that's another way to say it.

Yes, that's another way to say it and that does not mean the same as saying to God a day is equal to a thousand years. That would imply that God is somehow confined within the realm of time that He created instead of existing outside of it, but that time is just different for Him than it is for us. No! Think! He is outside of time, so what that verse means is that one day is no different than a thousand years to Him since He is not affected by time. One day is like a million years to Him because time has no effect on Him. That's what that verse means. But, your lack of discernment has failed you again.

 

[Davy]

It's funny that you are SO lacking in discernment. I showed that the actual text says, so it's interesting that you find the actual text to be funny.


Yes, that's another way to say it and that does not mean the same as saying to God a day is equal to a thousand years. That would imply that God is somehow confined within the realm of time that He created instead of existing outside of it, but that time is just different for Him than it is for us. No! Think! He is outside of time, so what that verse means is that one day is no different than a thousand years to Him since He is not affected by time. One day is like a million years to Him because time has no effect on Him. That's what that verse means. But, your lack of discernment has failed you again.

What is it with these Jews who keep trying to twist New Testament Scripture? Obviously, the "spirit of stupor" God put upon many of them according to Apostle Paul in Romans 11 is revealed even among Jews that claim to believe on Jesus!

What Peter said in 2 Peter 3 that a day to God is "as" (or LIKE) a thousand years, CAN BE TAKEN LITERALLY! How's that? Because Revelation 20 DECLARES a LITERAL PERIOD OF 1,000 YEARS for Christ's coming Millennial reign that begins on the day of His future return!

So if one looks at history of this present world, with 6,000 years having already passed; time of Adam being formed in God's Garden 4004 B.C., add today's time to that (2025), we have 6029 years since Adam. When Christ returns, and reigns for 1,000 years per Rev.20, that will represent another DAY of a thousand years! This is EASY!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What is it with these Jews who keep trying to twist New Testament Scripture?

You tell me since that is what you are doing.

What Peter said in 2 Peter 3 that a day to God is "as" (or LIKE) a thousand years, CAN BE TAKEN LITERALLY!

LOL. Only if you twist the scripture to say a day to God equals a thousand years as you were doing before. The context of 2 Peter 3:8 is in relation to how long it's taking for the Lord to return.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

While from man's perspective, it might seem like the Lord is being slow to return, but from the Lord's eternal perspective He is not being slow at all because time has no affect on Him. One day is no different than a thousand years to Him because He exists outside of time and created time. So, from His perspective, it cannot possibly be the case that He is being too slow to return no matter how long it takes.

How's that? Because Revelation 20 DECLARES a LITERAL PERIOD OF 1,000 YEARS for Christ's coming Millennial reign that begins on the day of His future return!

There is no direct relation between 2 Peter 3:8 and Revelation 20. To think so is a case of extreme doctrinal bias. The context of 2 Peter 3:8 is in relation to the amount of time it's taking for Christ to return and that is obviously not the context of Revelation 20. So, YOU are the one twisting scripture, not me.

So if one looks at history of this present world, with 6,000 years having already passed; time of Adam being formed in God's Garden 4004 B.C., add today's time to that (2025), we have 6029 years since Adam. When Christ returns, and reigns for 1,000 years per Rev.20, that will represent another DAY of a thousand years! This is EASY!

LOL. Where does scripture teach this nonsense? NOWHERE.

 

[Davy]

You tell me since that is what you are doing.


LOL. Only if you twist the scripture to say a day to God equals a thousand years as you were doing before. The context of 2 Peter 3:8 is in relation to how long it's taking for the Lord to return.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

While from man's perspective, it might seem like the Lord is being slow to return, but from the Lord's eternal perspective He is not being slow at all because time has no affect on Him. One day is no different than a thousand years to Him because He exists outside of time and created time. So, from His perspective, it cannot possibly be the case that He is being too slow to return no matter how long it takes.


There is no direct relation between 2 Peter 3:8 and Revelation 20. To think so is a case of extreme doctrinal bias. The context of 2 Peter 3:8 is in relation to the amount of time it's taking for Christ to return and that is obviously not the context of Revelation 20. So, YOU are the one twisting scripture, not me.


LOL. Where does scripture teach this nonsense? NOWHERE.

BLIND LEADERS OF THE BLIND, WHAT LORD JESUS SAID ABOUT THEM.

 

[Davy]

It is truly SAD... that Amillennialists have to MAKE UP LIES against Bible Scripture even with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:8 just because Peter said a 'day' to God is LIKE a literal period of a "thousand years"!

Amillennialists so HATE the Revelation 20 Chapter about Christ's future LITERAL "thousand years" reign, that anywhere The Bible references a 1,000 year period they try and DESTROY IT by making up a LIE against it, trying to TRICK the Biblically illiterate into thinking it is just an expression, and not a literal period!

 

[Davy]

LOL. Only if you twist the scripture to say a day to God equals a thousand years as you were doing before. The context of 2 Peter 3:8 is in relation to how long it's taking for the Lord to return.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST: (I do not recognize Spiritual Israelite as a brother in Christ, just so others know).

The actual... context of 2 Peter 3:7-12 is about God's future destruction of this present world by His "consuming fire", and Peter injects a bit of information pointing to Christ's future "thousand years" reign after that "consuming fire" destruction in verses 8 & 9. So when covering the subject of those 2 Peter 3:8-9 verses, those other 7, 10, 11 & 12 verses must be considered along with that. And the order of the subject is...

2 Peter 3:7 - this present world is reserved unto destruction by fire.

verse 8 - but don't be ignorant that to God a 'day' is like a "thousand years".
verse 9 - for God is longsuffering, not wanting that any should perish.
(Those 8 & 9 verses is Peter doing a parenthetical description of Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign which is part of this present world time after His future return.)

verses 10-12 - Peter then picks up the subject from verse 7 about God's "consuming fire" burning man's works off the earth.

What the Biblically illiterate, like Spiritual Israelite, refuses to understand per Bible Scripture as written, is that coming "consuming fire" event on the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns, will NOT begin God's future Kingdom of the New Heavens and a New Earth, not yet. It will only destroy man's works off the surface of this earth, and those armies that try to come up against His people on the last day of this present world age. Christ's "thousand years" literal reign of Revelation 20 is part of this present world time, but for AFTER Christ's future return.

How do we know then, just when... God's new heavens and a new earth time comes?

Easy, ALL... the wicked that reject Him and His Son, and the abode of hell, and Satan, and even the concept of death, MUST all be destroyed into the "lake of fire" after God's Great White Throne Judgement that happens after Christ's "thousand years" reign (as written in Rev.20). Only then... will God's future Eternity of the new heavens and a new earth happen.

So here is an easy way to KNOW... that God's future new heavens and a new earth has not happened yet. IF... the wicked are not all cast into the "lake of fire", and Satan is not cast into the "lake of fire" yet, and death is not cast into that "lake of fire" yet, then we are still in this present world age.

Now the Amill folks believe all that will happen on the day of Christ's future return, but that is not written simply because Jesus gave the Rev.20 detail. They will try and use Scripture given PRIOR to Christ's Revelation about the wicked being destroyed, but don't fall into that trap, because Lord Jesus UPDATED those things with His Witness in His Book of Revelation, giving us more details.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is truly SAD... that Amillennialists have to MAKE UP LIES against Bible Scripture even with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:8 just because Peter said a 'day' to God is LIKE a literal period of a "thousand years"!

Amillennialists so HATE the Revelation 20 Chapter about Christ's future LITERAL "thousand years" reign, that anywhere The Bible references a 1,000 year period they try and DESTROY IT by making up a LIE against it, trying to TRICK the Biblically illiterate into thinking it is just an expression, and not a literal period!

You are a pathetic liar. Amillennialists do not hate Revelation 20 at all and we actually interpret 2 Peter 3:8 in context. The context of 2 Peter 3:8 is seen in the verse which follows it which shows it is in relation to how long it's taking for the Lord to fulfill the promise of His second coming. From His perspective, which is what matters, it's not taking long at all because He created time and exists outside of time, so a day and a thousand years are no different to Him. So, no one can say He's being slow to fulfill the promise of His second coming. If He took a million years, no one could accuse Him of being too slow to return because even a million years is no different to Him than a day or a thousand years.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST: (I do not recognize Spiritual Israelite as a brother in Christ, just so others know).

Unlike you, I don't base whether someone is in Christ on whether they agree with my end times doctrine or not. So, I would never stoop to your level and claim that you are not in Christ just because you disagree with my understanding of Revelation 20.

The actual... context of 2 Peter 3:7-12 is about God's future destruction of this present world by His "consuming fire", and Peter injects a bit of information pointing to Christ's future "thousand years" reign after that "consuming fire" destruction in verses 8 & 9. So when covering the subject of those 2 Peter 3:8-9 verses, those other 7, 10, 11 & 12 verses must be considered along with that. And the order of the subject is...

2 Peter 3:7 - this present world is reserved unto destruction by fire.

verse 8 - but don't be ignorant that to God a 'day' is like a "thousand years".
verse 9 - for God is longsuffering, not wanting that any should perish.
(Those 8 & 9 verses is Peter doing a parenthetical description of Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign which is part of this present world time after His future return.)

verses 10-12 - Peter then picks up the subject from verse 7 about God's "consuming fire" burning man's works off the earth.

What the Biblically illiterate, like Spiritual Israelite, refuses to understand per Bible Scripture as written, is that coming "consuming fire" event on the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns, will NOT begin God's future Kingdom of the New Heavens and a New Earth, not yet. It will only destroy man's works off the surface of this earth, and those armies that try to come up against His people on the last day of this present world age. Christ's "thousand years" literal reign of Revelation 20 is part of this present world time, but for AFTER Christ's future return.

How do we know then, just when... God's new heavens and a new earth time comes?

Easy, ALL... the wicked that reject Him and His Son, and the abode of hell, and Satan, and even the concept of death, MUST all be destroyed into the "lake of fire" after God's Great White Throne Judgement that happens after Christ's "thousand years" reign (as written in Rev.20). Only then... will God's future Eternity of the new heavens and a new earth happen.

So here is an easy way to KNOW... that God's future new heavens and a new earth has not happened yet. IF... the wicked are not all cast into the "lake of fire", and Satan is not cast into the "lake of fire" yet, and death is not cast into that "lake of fire" yet, then we are still in this present world age.

Now the Amill folks believe all that will happen on the day of Christ's future return, but that is not written simply because Jesus gave the Rev.20 detail. They will try and use Scripture given PRIOR to Christ's Revelation about the wicked being destroyed, but don't fall into that trap, because Lord Jesus UPDATED those things with His Witness in His Book of Revelation, giving us more details.

Any objective person can see the true context of 2 Peter 3, as I indicated in my previous post. They can also see that you try to change the context to fit your doctrine.

 

[Davidpt]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST: (I do not recognize Spiritual Israelite as a brother in Christ, just so others know).

For your sake, not @Spiritual Israelite sake, you need to repent of this.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[Davy]

For your sake, not @Spiritual Israelite sake, you need to repent of this.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

When someone moves so far away from Bible Scripture as written, then there is no choice but to think of that person as a 'reprobate' away from Christ. And it's the reprobates that need to REPENT to Christ, not those who keep God's Word.

 

[Davy]

Here is what the Biblically illiterate are missing in their Bible study about the events of Christ's coming and shortly thereafter, and why it seems to them that I'm speaking some foreign language they cannot understand. It's because they have failed... to study their whole Bible, especially details for after Christ's future return first written in the Old Testament prophets.

First this...

Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

Even though that Revelation 22 Chapter starts off declaring the return of God's River of the Waters of Life, and the Tree of Life, those above 14-15 verses actually point to the time of Christ's Revelation 20 reign over the UNSAVED whose place will be outside... the gates of that city (future Jerusalem on earth).

How can we know those wicked are outside the gates of the beloved city in that time when God's River and the Tree of Life are manifested back on earth?

It is because that was originally written of in the Ezekiel 40 through 47 Chapters, which is for after Christ's 2nd coming, i.e., the time of Christ's future Millennial reign over the unsaved nations with His elect. Ezekiel 47 specifically reveals Christ's future Millennial "sanctuary" on earth from which God's River flows out from underneath the Altar, healing waters upon this earth that comes in contact with it. And on either side of that River shown there are the many trees bearing their fruits with the leaves as medicine, which is a direct link to the Revelation 22:1-2 Scripture. That Ezekiel 47 Chapter even reveals God's River at that future time will flow even unto the holy land areas of En-gedi unto En-eglaim, ON EARTH.

Per Ezekiel 44, Christ's elect priests, called then the Zadok (means The Just), will be allowed to go outside the beloved city to a 'dead' relative. Thing is for that future Millennium time, the idea of still being 'dead' means SPIRITUALLY dead, one's soul still being subject to the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire" at the end of Christ's "thousand years" reign. That Ezekiel 44 Chapter reveals the job of Christ's future priests will be to teach God's people the difference between the holy and the profane, and the clean and the unclean. And the unsaved then will stand throughout that period in judgment, pointing to the unsaved being subject to the "second death" for that period.

And according to Zechariah 6 about "The BRANCH", which is another Title for Lord Jesus Christ back in The Old Testament, it says that He.(Jesus) ... is to build the temple of The LORD, meaning when He returns. It means a LITERAL stone "sanctuary" on earth, the one which Ezekiel described on earth in the holy land which has never... yet been built. This was prophesied also in the Book of Daniel, about the cleansing of the sanctuary event after the 2300 days (Daniel 8:13-14).

All of that was given in Old Testament Books of God's prophets, evidently Bible Scripture which many of my Christian brethren have failed to study. Too bad, because it helps keep us straight as to future prophetic events about Lord Jesus' future reign and Kingdom to manifest on earth at His 2nd coming. It prevents men's loose tongues with false speculation of spiritual temples up in the sky, floating on clouds, and such silly dreams by the Biblically illiterate who refuse to study all their Bible. And for those who have... taken the time to study these things from Old Testament Scripture, we well understand how it is the Biblically illiterate get sucked into all sorts of fake religious theories and such by those who preach as a business, and don't really care that they make up stories, as long as they get a paycheck.

That God's River of the Waters of Life, and the Tree of Life, are mentioned at the start of the Revelation 22 Chapter, many try to use the Book of Revelation like all the Chapters follow in order how they will happen. Those Revelation 22:14-15 verses ought to throw those for a loop who believe that all events in Revelation are in chronological order. What those Rev.22:14-15 verses about the wicked being outside the gates of the city, while Christ's elect have right to the Tree of Life that will be inside those gates, reveals God's new heavens and a new earth time, right? No, because the wicked are still there, not cast into the "lake of fire" yet. Only once the devil, the wicked, the abode of hell, and even death, go into the future "lake of fire", only then will God's Eternity of the new heavens and a new earth will begin.

Thus the establishing of God's River and the Tree of Life on earth, along with Christ's future Millennial temple on earth in the holy land, will still not be the new heavens and a new earth time. Rev.21 tells us when the new heavens and a new earth time comes, there will be no more temple. So that's another clue when God's new heavens and a new earth time will manifest.