Spiritual Israelite
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Do you see an earlier judgment for believers described in Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50 or Matthew 25:31-46? I sure don't. Each of those has both believers and unbelievers being judged at the same time.
Is the Judgment Seat of Christ separate from the Great White Throne Judgment?
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Don't forget the first resurrection saints are also the army of Christ that will fight the army of Satan (Gog and Magog). And members of the winning army always get the task of capturing and executing the leader of their enemies. And I strongly believe they are given the power, because of the task of executing their enemies by taking and throwing them into the lake of fire.
Always keep this in mind....God only gives special powers or gifts to His servants when He intends them to use it for divine purpose.
I don't think the power not to get hurt by the lake of fire is given to the saints for recreational purpose.
Christians do not cast the devil and his angels into the lake of fire, Holy angels do that.
Matthew 13
The Parable of the Tares Explained
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Seems some here still believe in 2 judgment days as shown by they believe in 3 separate resurrections (Christ, His saints, the wicked).
Christ is the first resurrection from the dead, to be resurrected means to have been given a living glorified body.
The resurrection of all people living and dead happens at his appearing and kingdom when they are judged. Why disagree with scripture?
'Graves' is referring to bodies, not spirits. At death a body is said to have 'fallen asleep' in scripture, so as you see this is the resurrection, ours and theirs, all people.
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation
The spiritually alive in Christ when resurrected are given a new glorified body like Christ has, they have the resurrection of life.
Notice it says 'when He is revealed', that is at His second appearing and kingdom is when we get a glorified body, 'we shall be like him'.
1 John 3
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of [a]God! Therefore the world does not know [b]us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
The spiritually dead when resurrected also are given some kind of body, one that endures the lake of fire, if you believe in eternal conscious torment forever and ever, they have the resurrection of condemnation.
Christ is the first resurrection from the dead, to be resurrected means to have been given a living glorified body.
The resurrection of all people living and dead happens at his appearing and kingdom when they are judged. Why disagree with scripture?
'Graves' is referring to bodies, not spirits. At death a body is said to have 'fallen asleep' in scripture, so as you see this is the resurrection, ours and theirs, all people.
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation
The spiritually alive in Christ when resurrected are given a new glorified body like Christ has, they have the resurrection of life.
Notice it says 'when He is revealed', that is at His second appearing and kingdom is when we get a glorified body, 'we shall be like him'.
1 John 3
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of [a]God! Therefore the world does not know [b]us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
The spiritually dead when resurrected also are given some kind of body, one that endures the lake of fire, if you believe in eternal conscious torment forever and ever, they have the resurrection of condemnation.
For even further proof that the dead in Christ have not yet been resurrected, but are with Christ in heaven right now is
1 Thess 4
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Just what do you suppose those who are asleep in the Lord are doing with Christ in heaven? Well, they are reigning with Him there.
Some of you must think they are unconscious in heavenly bedrooms...sleeping over the last 2000 years
1 Thess 4
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Just what do you suppose those who are asleep in the Lord are doing with Christ in heaven? Well, they are reigning with Him there.
Some of you must think they are unconscious in heavenly bedrooms...sleeping over the last 2000 years
1 Timothy 4
I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:
Well, you cannot have the wicked judged unless resurrected, therefore their resurrection occurs before the judgment at his appearing.
All this happens on the last day of this world, all are resurrected, all are judged on the Last Day, when Christ is revealed at His appearing and kingdom. His kingdom is when He rules with all things put under His feet on earth, which we do not yet see, but it is coming when He returns in flaming fire..
Hebrews 2
5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. 6 But one testified in a certain place, saying:
“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him [d]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[e]And set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made [f]a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:
Well, you cannot have the wicked judged unless resurrected, therefore their resurrection occurs before the judgment at his appearing.
All this happens on the last day of this world, all are resurrected, all are judged on the Last Day, when Christ is revealed at His appearing and kingdom. His kingdom is when He rules with all things put under His feet on earth, which we do not yet see, but it is coming when He returns in flaming fire..
Hebrews 2
5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. 6 But one testified in a certain place, saying:
“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him [d]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[e]And set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made [f]a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
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It is the Father judging, not the Son.
Wrong. He is seated there until the second coming, then Christ is separated from the Father for the Millennium. The GWTJ is held after the MIll, and not on Earth or in heaven but another place. Christ will come to the GWTJ area with angels but there is nothing suggesting Christ judges with his Father.
quietthinker
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Is the Judgment Seat of Christ separate from the Great White Throne Judgment?
In any court case, ie, a scene of trial and Judgement, who is it that instigates the proceedings? Is it the Judge? or the Jury? Is it the Defence or is it the Accuser? ie, the Prosecution?
Believers who will take part in the resurrection/rapture event will appear before the "bema" seat of Christ to receive rewards for what they did during their lifetime for the cause of Christ.
The bema seat of Christ judgment will take place in heaven when rewards are given to the saints and the prophets, Revelation 11:18. While on earth the great tribulation is taking place. See my chart below, lower right hand corner.
2Corinthians5:
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
The bema seat of Christ judgment will take place in heaven when rewards are given to the saints and the prophets, Revelation 11:18. While on earth the great tribulation is taking place. See my chart below, lower right hand corner.
2Corinthians5:
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
You have given here a good argument...But let me show you what the Scripture says...
Matthew 22:30 (KJV)
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mark 12:25 (KJV)
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
...And not just angels, but high-ranking angels...
John 1:12-13 (KJV)...
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
It is disappointing that many English translations (NIV in particular) tried to change the exact meaning conveyed in John 1:12 by changing those key phrases into "right to become children of God".
You are way out of context here. Are you thinking that people will become exactly like angels in every respect?
Jesus was speaking in terms of marriage and procreation.
I had a friend who believed that. I don't. Fire from heaven will destroy Gog and Magog.
Much love!
But Satan won't be destroyed by that fire from heaven. Look at the verse following that.
Also, by the time the great white throne judgment happens, those members of Christ's army already have their power against the lake or fire. They will be in their angelic form already, while the 2nd batch of resurrection gets judged.
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I have no idea where you get these ideas from. I can't say as I agree with you.
Much love!
Yes, it's an interesting study. Also "rapha". Fascinating! Nonetheless, Jesus' words have context. He didn't create us to make us to be angels in the world to come. I believe we are very special to God, and it's not about being in nature turned into just like angels. I think the reality is much more wonderful than that.
Much love!
Behold
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The Judgment seat of Christ (See Paul's verses)...... is where we are judged, as believers, regarding "what have you done IN MY Body".
That ""body"" is all the believers..........So, you have your entire Christian life to "present your body as a living sacrifice to God"... as your service to God, and everytime you got it right will be rewared at "the (Bema) judgement seat of Christ.""
Whereas...
Unbelievers dont belong to Christ.... so, they will meet God instead as their Eternal Judge, and that is the G-W-Throne Judgement.
No Christian will meet God as Judge, after they die, as they have already met God as their " Heavenly FATHER", while they are on earth,....... = as born again.
I'm simply basing it on which event(s) happens before the other event(s) as they are described in the Scriptures. You could uncover a lot of truth just by understanding the chronological order of events.
It seems to me you are doing more than that. Just the same, to each their own. If I've learned anything on this forum, I've learned that.
Much love!
Each of these seem pretty clear to me about what they encompass. The righteous and the wicked will be separated at the end of the age.
Tell me . . . referring to Matthew 25, how is it that there will be righteous and wicked amongst the nations, to be separated, when Jesus has already just before this gathered up the elect?
Much love!
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