What prophecies regarding Israel’s regathering have already been or are being fulfilled?

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Let’s examine a few points here….
Yes ... "let's"
It is not I who have condemned “Israel” as a nation….it is God himself through Jesus‘ teachings.
Matt 23 is a good example of where the religious leaders led the people….with the result that they cursed themselves and their own children, in their desire to have Jesus executed as a despised blasphemer!
Verses 1-36 is a condemnation of the Pharisee's. Then in verses 37-39 he laments over Jerusalem:

37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”​

Tell me Jane, how do you interpret verse 39? "you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’”
Matt 27:24-25…KJV..
”When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
Many Christians find it hard to grasp why the Jews did not accept Jesus as their Messiah. At the time of Jesus' first coming, Israel was ruled by the Roman Empire. The Jews anticipated that their Messiah would be a powerful leader, similar to King David, who would defeat the Romans and free them. They overlooked the prophecies that described their Messiah as humble and peaceful, who would sacrifice himself as “an offering for sin,” as mentioned in Isaiah 53:10.

One key issue that led the Nation to falter was the jealousy of the religious leaders towards Jesus’ popularity with the people. They tried to find every chance to portray him as lacking knowledge of the Law and the Prophets. They misled those who were not true Israelites. Because the Nation relied on their religious leaders instead of God’s prophets, Jesus lamented: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you... Your house is left desolate.” By the end of Jesus’ time on earth, the chief priests had stirred the crowds to shout, “Crucify him! Crucify him!” — “...his blood be on us and on our children.” What a heavy curse they placed upon themselves as a Nation. Even today, the Jews can only escape this curse and the curse of the Law through the merit of Christ’s blood.

Many Christians believe that Israel lost its chosen status because they didn't accept Jesus as their Messiah. However, God knew this would happen and didn't let it prevent the descendants of Abraham from being part of His covenant. The Apostle explains that even though most of the Jewish Nation lost a spiritual privilege 2,000 years ago, the earthly promise still belongs to them (Romans 11). It will be Israel, through their resurrected prophets, that will help fulfill the promise to bless all families on earth. “And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning; after that shalt thou be called, The city of righteousness, the town that is faithful.” Isaiah 1:26.

We believe that all of God's prophecies will come true, which gives us hope that the Nation of Israel will eventually accept Jesus as their Messiah. The return of the Jewish people to the Holy Land and the creation of a thriving, democratic nation after 2,000 years of hardship is a strong indication that we can rely on God's promises in prophecy.


Who told them that Jesus was a blasphemer? Why did they believe those religious leaders? For the same reason that people today follow their religious leaders…..they believe them. God will not interfere with our free willed choices.
Believing something or in someone, doesn’t make it the truth. We have to prove things to ourselves….and we can only do that by careful study.
Replace "religious leaders" with "governing body" and you'll have your answer.

Are you going to hold your breath waiting for natural Israel to suddenly repent of their crimes? To repent in asking foreign nations to support their bloodshed? (Isa 1:15) They don’t want to.

Repentance has to come from the heart, and the only “natural Jews” who merit salvation are the prophesied “remnant” from that nation who came to Christ and abandoned the false religion, practiced by their corrupt leadership.(Matt 15:7-9)
Their worship, Jesus said, was invalidated by what they taught…man-made doctrines and traditions, much like Christendom, who followed in their footsteps. History repeats because people don’t learn the lessons from the past. Israel never did either.

To what “new light” has your leadership led you? As far as I can see you have not progressed in your understanding of anything since Russell’s death. If the light on the path has not “grown brighter” with the approaching “day of Jehovah”, now so near at hand, then that does not bode well for you. (Prov 4:18)
First of all, we don't have a governing body dictating what we can and cannot believe. We rely on the holy spirit to teach us. Secondly, why would we need progressive understanding if what we have is the Truth of God's plan? Yes, we've had to make some adjustments in our understanding of certain prophecies, but unlike you, we didn't have to make 180 or even 360 degrees turns in our understanding.

Since your organization loves to refer to C.T. Russell, and teach that he is the founder of your modern day organization, perhaps you should take some of his advice.

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. “New light” never extinguishes older “light,” but adds to it. If you were lighting up a building containing seven gas jets you would not extinguish one every time you lighted another, but would add one light to another and they would be in harmony and thus give increase of light: So is it with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another." – Zion’s Watch Tower, February 1881.​

That seems to be the issue with the modern-day Watchtower organization, "two or six years ago" what Russell taught "would be regarded as darkness." Another "two or six years" ... more so-called Truths "would be regarded as darkness." And with each successive leadership, more darkness. In recent years, that new light has been strobing like a disco ball.
Ah yes, “replacement theology”….did God “replace” disobedient natural “Israel” with another “Israel”?
The Scriptures tell us that he did.
Rom 2:28-29….
”For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision something on the outside, on the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code. That person’s praise comes from God, not from people.”
Perhaps if you read the context of Romans 2 instead of isolating a few verses, you'd see that, that isn't what Paul is speaking about.

God chose a new nation to serve him as disciples of his son. This was spiritual “Israel” who were made up of both natural Jews and gentile believers in Jesus….Paul called them “the Israel of God” (Gal 6:16) ….sons by “adoption” rather than by birth. (Matt 3:7-10) God can raise up sons of Abraham from the stones if he needed to.
On that we can agree, Spiritual Israel is made up of both Jew and Gentile, that said. There was a promise made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and to their descendants, that all nations will be blessed by them. This was a one-sided promise, a promise their God made with them, they needed to do nothing, unlike the other covenants. (Gen 22:18; 26:4; 28:14)

Rom 9:6-8…Paul wrote….
”However, it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who descend from Israel are really “Israel.” 7 Neither are they all children because they are Abraham’s offspring; rather, “What will be called your offspring will be through Isaac.” 8 That is, the children in the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the offspring.”

There it is…..deny it if you wish.
What's to deny? Spiritual Israel is made up of BOTH Jew and Gentile. I'm not arguing against that. But there are other promises to Natural Israel that can ONLY be fulfilled in them and cannot be spiritualized.
 

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If you think natural Israel as they are today, have anything to do with the God of Jesus Christ, you are sadly mistaken. That fleshly (political) nation is lost, but individuals from that nation are welcomed when they accept Jesus as Messiah…let’s hope many more do.
As they are today? No, it's a start to better things. First Israel must be gathered back to their land, then "Jacobs trouble" will begin and they will be forced to recognize the Messiah. "For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!'” - Matthew 23:39 NWT
You are sadly mistaken….lost in old and dim light from the past, so that there is no progression into the future….I do not believe that things will turn out as you imagine. Who replaced Russell? He was the spokesman for a whole group, but he was not the leader. He was part of a body…a governing body of redeemed people at that time.
"Old dim light"? Really, I think you're mistaken. The Divine Plan has been proven to be based on God's Word. What you have is an ever-evolving theology that changes every few years. What you are taught today, will no doubt change tomorrow, how is that Truth??? God is not a god of confusion, He is a God of Order, and the Divine Plan has stood the test of time, while your beliefs change with time.

As to Russell? No one had to replace him, he brought forth Truth from God's storehouse and presented it and that too has stood the test of time. He was chosen for that task, and there was NO governing body in his day. He ran it all, he made all the decisions. He gave us the "keys to the scriptures" in his writings, and when the Society tossed out those "keys" they've been in darkness ever since.
 

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The nation of Israel is currently in a state of unbelief that Jesus is the messiah and the gospel of salvation.

The Jews will remain in a state of unbelief until the middle of the forthcoming 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27, and Ezekiel 39:9.
I have no idea why the consensus is that natural Israel has any further future use in God’s purpose. He needed them to fulfill prophesy about the identity of the coming Messiah…..they chose to reject him and have him put to the most painful death imaginable…..why would God want to reward them for that?

God chose a new “Israel” who would accept their Messiah and did become disciples of his son. ”The Israel of God” (Gal 6:16) are made up of both Jewish and gentile disciples of Christ….tell me, when in all their sad and sorry history has natural Israel ever obeyed their God for longer than 5 minutes?
They still await their Messiah and he has come and gone, and is about to return……they will deny him until they cannot any more….but they will not repent. Nor will they ever call themselves “Christians”.

If one is not a “sheep” by the time of Christ’s judgment….they will be “goats“ till the end.
It was foretold that only “a remnant” of natural Israel would be saved….and only a remnant have accepted Christ. Individuals can be saved…but the nation is doomed as bloodguilty before God. (Isa 1:15)
For a while, when those 7 years first begin, the Jews will think the Antichrist is their messiah. But after about 3 years when he betrays them, by stopping the daily sacrifice of the two lambs, and going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood, 2Thessalonians2:4...... the Jews will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation in Revelation 12:10.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
I have a completely different understanding of those verses and the timeline of them occurring.
 
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Douggg said:

For a while, when those 7 years first begin, the Jews will think the Antichrist is their messiah.

At no time will the Jews think that the Antichrist is their Messiah.
 

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God chose a new “Israel” who would accept their Messiah and did become disciples of his son. ”The Israel of God” (Gal 6:16) are made up of both Jewish and gentile disciples of Christ….tell me, when in all their sad and sorry history has natural Israel ever obeyed their God for longer than 5 minutes?
They still await their Messiah and he has come and gone, and is about to return……they will deny him until they cannot any more….but they will not repent. Nor will they ever call themselves “Christians”.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.—Zechariah 8:23
Numerous scriptures tell of the important role restored and converted Israel is to play in the future of God’s plan. They are to be a "dew" among the nations (Mic. 5:7); the site of deliverance (Joel 2:32); "a blessing in the midst of the land" (Isa. 19:24); and a "praise among all people of the earth" (Zeph. 3:20). Nor are the scriptures silent as to how this role of being a blessing to others will be accomplished.

Israel has returned to its historic land. However, many who have come back do so without faith. Some return driven by nationalism to restore an ancient nation. The scriptures predicted this situation. Prophecies mention the need to first remove the rebels (Ezek. 20:38). These rebels are described as those who take pride in their arrogance (Zeph. 3:11). This removal will be complete after Israel faces one last battle, as outlined in Ezekiel 38 and 39. When the fight turns against them and despair sets in, the Lord promises to defend them "as he did in the day of battle" (Zech. 14:3). Only then will God's gathered people truly recognize Him. "So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward" (Ezek. 39:22).
Ezekiel mentions that the news of this miraculous rescue will reach all nations: "And I will show my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see my judgment that I have carried out, and my hand that I have placed upon them" (Ezek. 39:21). The prophet Isaiah, naming some of the same nations from the battles in Ezekiel 38 and 39, says he will "send those who survive to the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, who use bows, to Tubal and Javan, to distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory; and they will proclaim my glory among the Gentiles" (Isa. 66:19).

This victory will bring great recognition to Israel, and other nations will soon take notice. Isaiah 2:2-3 states, "In the last days, the mountain of the LORD’s house will be established at the highest point, rising above the hills; all nations will come to it. Many people will say, 'Come, let us go to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, and we will follow his paths, for the law will come from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.'"

Some texts suggest that God will use a mix of rewards and punishments to show the nations that His blessings will come through Israel. After the final conflict between Israel and the nations, Zechariah writes: "Everyone left from the nations that fought against Jerusalem will go up each year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the feast of tabernacles. If any family from the earth does not come to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, they will not receive any rain" (14:16, 17).
The news about the creation of a kingdom of righteousness won't just rely on those who escaped the final battle. Texts like Micah 5:5 and Isaiah 1:26 suggest that the ancient prophets of Israel will come back to life before the great victory. These "fathers" of Israel will serve as official representatives of the new kingdom. The psalmist poetically describes this, saying, "Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth" (Psa. 45:16). In Ezekiel's final vision, we also see these "princes" speaking with the Lord at the temple gates (Ezek. 44:3).

Their specific roles are not detailed in the scriptures, but we can assume they will help govern all nations on earth. Even though there may be many deserving ancients, the extent of the tasks suggests that many loyal Israelites will collaborate with them to share and enforce the laws of the new kingdom.
The Bible shows that Israel will not only send ambassadors around the world, but people will also seek their advice. Isaiah 62:12 states they will be "Sought out, a city that is not forsaken." A similar message appears in Isaiah 2:3, where it says, "Many people will come and say, Let us go to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we will follow His paths, for the law will come from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

Zechariah 8:23 clearly emphasizes this idea: "The LORD of hosts says that in those days, ten men from all nations will grab the hem of a Jew's garment, saying, We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."

The highlighted success of the restored nation is what draws the Gentiles in this passage. The scriptures also suggest that before this happens, Israel will face a war where they seem to be losing. However, there will be a miraculous intervention from heaven that turns the tide in their favor. (Refer to Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 38 and 39). This clear act of divine help will be recognized by nations worldwide and will attract people to Israel for guidance and support.
It's important to highlight that in this text, it refers to the "skirt" of the Jew. This phrase is not just a random choice; it carries significant meaning. We encounter it twice in the life of Jesus. In Matthew 9:20, we read about a woman who was healed from a bleeding issue by touching the hem of his garment while in a crowded place. Later, in Matthew 14:35-36, during his visit to Gennesaret, the people recognized him and brought all the sick to him, asking to only touch the hem of his garment, and those who did were completely healed.

The text highlights the wish to touch "the hem of his garment" in both examples. To understand this symbol better, we should look at the Old Testament. In Numbers 15:38-39, it says, "Tell the people of Israel to make fringes on the edges of their garments for all generations, and to put a blue ribbon on the fringe. This will remind you to remember all the LORD's commandments and follow them, and not to chase after your own desires."

The blue fringes at the bottom of the garment served as a reminder for the Jewish people about their duties to God's law. They also reflected their genuine effort to follow the Lord's commandments.

People who were healed recognized that Jesus followed the law, which led them to have faith in him. This was almost the same as accepting him as the promised Messiah.
Given this context, we can understand the deeper meaning of Zechariah 8:23. It will be the faithful people of Israel who endure the final battle mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 14. These individuals will strive to follow God's laws. This commitment, symbolized by grasping the edges of their garments, will attract all humanity to Israel and to God and His teachings.

This faithful remnant of Israel is described in Zephaniah 3:11-12: "On that day, you will not feel ashamed for your actions that have gone against me. I will remove those who take pride in their arrogance, and you will no longer be proud because of my holy mountain. I will leave a humble and poor people among you, and they will trust in the name of the LORD."

The influence of this remnant on other nations is beautifully illustrated by the prophet Micah (5:7): "The remnant of Jacob will be among many people like dew from the LORD, like showers on the grass, which do not wait for man or depend on human effort."

A great blessing awaits humanity as they come to recognize the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, embracing His ways and enjoying the rewards of a perfect life in an ideal world that will last forever.
 

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Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.—Zechariah 8:23
God changed what it meant to be a “Jew”…..this is spiritual “Israel”…..national “Israel” lost its place through disobedience and was given back to the nations to spill blood just like all the rest. (Isa 1:15)

You are so left behind….but it’s not me who will tell you….you don’t want to know, and you are free to believe whatever you wish. We will all know soon enough who is “doing the will of the Father”. (Matt 7:21-23)
 

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Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.—Zechariah 8:23
Numerous scriptures tell of the important role restored and converted Israel is to play in the future of God’s plan. They are to be a "dew" among the nations (Mic. 5:7); the site of deliverance (Joel 2:32); "a blessing in the midst of the land" (Isa. 19:24); and a "praise among all people of the earth" (Zeph. 3:20). Nor are the scriptures silent as to how this role of being a blessing to others will be accomplished.

Israel has returned to its historic land. However, many who have come back do so without faith. Some return driven by nationalism to restore an ancient nation. The scriptures predicted this situation. Prophecies mention the need to first remove the rebels (Ezek. 20:38). These rebels are described as those who take pride in their arrogance (Zeph. 3:11). This removal will be complete after Israel faces one last battle, as outlined in Ezekiel 38 and 39. When the fight turns against them and despair sets in, the Lord promises to defend them "as he did in the day of battle" (Zech. 14:3). Only then will God's gathered people truly recognize Him. "So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward" (Ezek. 39:22).
Ezekiel mentions that the news of this miraculous rescue will reach all nations: "And I will show my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see my judgment that I have carried out, and my hand that I have placed upon them" (Ezek. 39:21). The prophet Isaiah, naming some of the same nations from the battles in Ezekiel 38 and 39, says he will "send those who survive to the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, who use bows, to Tubal and Javan, to distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory; and they will proclaim my glory among the Gentiles" (Isa. 66:19).

This victory will bring great recognition to Israel, and other nations will soon take notice. Isaiah 2:2-3 states, "In the last days, the mountain of the LORD’s house will be established at the highest point, rising above the hills; all nations will come to it. Many people will say, 'Come, let us go to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, and we will follow his paths, for the law will come from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.'"

Some texts suggest that God will use a mix of rewards and punishments to show the nations that His blessings will come through Israel. After the final conflict between Israel and the nations, Zechariah writes: "Everyone left from the nations that fought against Jerusalem will go up each year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the feast of tabernacles. If any family from the earth does not come to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, they will not receive any rain" (14:16, 17).
The news about the creation of a kingdom of righteousness won't just rely on those who escaped the final battle. Texts like Micah 5:5 and Isaiah 1:26 suggest that the ancient prophets of Israel will come back to life before the great victory. These "fathers" of Israel will serve as official representatives of the new kingdom. The psalmist poetically describes this, saying, "Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth" (Psa. 45:16). In Ezekiel's final vision, we also see these "princes" speaking with the Lord at the temple gates (Ezek. 44:3).

Their specific roles are not detailed in the scriptures, but we can assume they will help govern all nations on earth. Even though there may be many deserving ancients, the extent of the tasks suggests that many loyal Israelites will collaborate with them to share and enforce the laws of the new kingdom.
The Bible shows that Israel will not only send ambassadors around the world, but people will also seek their advice. Isaiah 62:12 states they will be "Sought out, a city that is not forsaken." A similar message appears in Isaiah 2:3, where it says, "Many people will come and say, Let us go to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we will follow His paths, for the law will come from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

Zechariah 8:23 clearly emphasizes this idea: "The LORD of hosts says that in those days, ten men from all nations will grab the hem of a Jew's garment, saying, We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."

The highlighted success of the restored nation is what draws the Gentiles in this passage. The scriptures also suggest that before this happens, Israel will face a war where they seem to be losing. However, there will be a miraculous intervention from heaven that turns the tide in their favor. (Refer to Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 38 and 39). This clear act of divine help will be recognized by nations worldwide and will attract people to Israel for guidance and support.
It's important to highlight that in this text, it refers to the "skirt" of the Jew. This phrase is not just a random choice; it carries significant meaning. We encounter it twice in the life of Jesus. In Matthew 9:20, we read about a woman who was healed from a bleeding issue by touching the hem of his garment while in a crowded place. Later, in Matthew 14:35-36, during his visit to Gennesaret, the people recognized him and brought all the sick to him, asking to only touch the hem of his garment, and those who did were completely healed.

The text highlights the wish to touch "the hem of his garment" in both examples. To understand this symbol better, we should look at the Old Testament. In Numbers 15:38-39, it says, "Tell the people of Israel to make fringes on the edges of their garments for all generations, and to put a blue ribbon on the fringe. This will remind you to remember all the LORD's commandments and follow them, and not to chase after your own desires."

The blue fringes at the bottom of the garment served as a reminder for the Jewish people about their duties to God's law. They also reflected their genuine effort to follow the Lord's commandments.

People who were healed recognized that Jesus followed the law, which led them to have faith in him. This was almost the same as accepting him as the promised Messiah.
Given this context, we can understand the deeper meaning of Zechariah 8:23. It will be the faithful people of Israel who endure the final battle mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 14. These individuals will strive to follow God's laws. This commitment, symbolized by grasping the edges of their garments, will attract all humanity to Israel and to God and His teachings.

This faithful remnant of Israel is described in Zephaniah 3:11-12: "On that day, you will not feel ashamed for your actions that have gone against me. I will remove those who take pride in their arrogance, and you will no longer be proud because of my holy mountain. I will leave a humble and poor people among you, and they will trust in the name of the LORD."

The influence of this remnant on other nations is beautifully illustrated by the prophet Micah (5:7): "The remnant of Jacob will be among many people like dew from the LORD, like showers on the grass, which do not wait for man or depend on human effort."

A great blessing awaits humanity as they come to recognize the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, embracing His ways and enjoying the rewards of a perfect life in an ideal world that will last forever.
Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.
 
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Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.
Absolutely. Notice how the dispensationalists only quote from the Old Testament. They don't accept the NT explanations of the OT prophecies, so they think their interpretations of the OT prophecies are superior to the interpretations of the NT authors.
 
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Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.—Zechariah 8:23
Numerous scriptures tell of the important role restored and converted Israel is to play in the future of God’s plan. They are to be a "dew" among the nations (Mic. 5:7); the site of deliverance (Joel 2:32); "a blessing in the midst of the land" (Isa. 19:24); and a "praise among all people of the earth" (Zeph. 3:20). Nor are the scriptures silent as to how this role of being a blessing to others will be accomplished.

Israel has returned to its historic land. However, many who have come back do so without faith. Some return driven by nationalism to restore an ancient nation. The scriptures predicted this situation. Prophecies mention the need to first remove the rebels (Ezek. 20:38). These rebels are described as those who take pride in their arrogance (Zeph. 3:11). This removal will be complete after Israel faces one last battle, as outlined in Ezekiel 38 and 39. When the fight turns against them and despair sets in, the Lord promises to defend them "as he did in the day of battle" (Zech. 14:3). Only then will God's gathered people truly recognize Him. "So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward" (Ezek. 39:22).
Ezekiel mentions that the news of this miraculous rescue will reach all nations: "And I will show my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see my judgment that I have carried out, and my hand that I have placed upon them" (Ezek. 39:21). The prophet Isaiah, naming some of the same nations from the battles in Ezekiel 38 and 39, says he will "send those who survive to the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, who use bows, to Tubal and Javan, to distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory; and they will proclaim my glory among the Gentiles" (Isa. 66:19).

This victory will bring great recognition to Israel, and other nations will soon take notice. Isaiah 2:2-3 states, "In the last days, the mountain of the LORD’s house will be established at the highest point, rising above the hills; all nations will come to it. Many people will say, 'Come, let us go to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, and we will follow his paths, for the law will come from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.'"

Some texts suggest that God will use a mix of rewards and punishments to show the nations that His blessings will come through Israel. After the final conflict between Israel and the nations, Zechariah writes: "Everyone left from the nations that fought against Jerusalem will go up each year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the feast of tabernacles. If any family from the earth does not come to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, they will not receive any rain" (14:16, 17).
The news about the creation of a kingdom of righteousness won't just rely on those who escaped the final battle. Texts like Micah 5:5 and Isaiah 1:26 suggest that the ancient prophets of Israel will come back to life before the great victory. These "fathers" of Israel will serve as official representatives of the new kingdom. The psalmist poetically describes this, saying, "Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth" (Psa. 45:16). In Ezekiel's final vision, we also see these "princes" speaking with the Lord at the temple gates (Ezek. 44:3).

Their specific roles are not detailed in the scriptures, but we can assume they will help govern all nations on earth. Even though there may be many deserving ancients, the extent of the tasks suggests that many loyal Israelites will collaborate with them to share and enforce the laws of the new kingdom.
The Bible shows that Israel will not only send ambassadors around the world, but people will also seek their advice. Isaiah 62:12 states they will be "Sought out, a city that is not forsaken." A similar message appears in Isaiah 2:3, where it says, "Many people will come and say, Let us go to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we will follow His paths, for the law will come from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

Zechariah 8:23 clearly emphasizes this idea: "The LORD of hosts says that in those days, ten men from all nations will grab the hem of a Jew's garment, saying, We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."

The highlighted success of the restored nation is what draws the Gentiles in this passage. The scriptures also suggest that before this happens, Israel will face a war where they seem to be losing. However, there will be a miraculous intervention from heaven that turns the tide in their favor. (Refer to Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 38 and 39). This clear act of divine help will be recognized by nations worldwide and will attract people to Israel for guidance and support.
It's important to highlight that in this text, it refers to the "skirt" of the Jew. This phrase is not just a random choice; it carries significant meaning. We encounter it twice in the life of Jesus. In Matthew 9:20, we read about a woman who was healed from a bleeding issue by touching the hem of his garment while in a crowded place. Later, in Matthew 14:35-36, during his visit to Gennesaret, the people recognized him and brought all the sick to him, asking to only touch the hem of his garment, and those who did were completely healed.

The text highlights the wish to touch "the hem of his garment" in both examples. To understand this symbol better, we should look at the Old Testament. In Numbers 15:38-39, it says, "Tell the people of Israel to make fringes on the edges of their garments for all generations, and to put a blue ribbon on the fringe. This will remind you to remember all the LORD's commandments and follow them, and not to chase after your own desires."

The blue fringes at the bottom of the garment served as a reminder for the Jewish people about their duties to God's law. They also reflected their genuine effort to follow the Lord's commandments.

People who were healed recognized that Jesus followed the law, which led them to have faith in him. This was almost the same as accepting him as the promised Messiah.
Given this context, we can understand the deeper meaning of Zechariah 8:23. It will be the faithful people of Israel who endure the final battle mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 14. These individuals will strive to follow God's laws. This commitment, symbolized by grasping the edges of their garments, will attract all humanity to Israel and to God and His teachings.

This faithful remnant of Israel is described in Zephaniah 3:11-12: "On that day, you will not feel ashamed for your actions that have gone against me. I will remove those who take pride in their arrogance, and you will no longer be proud because of my holy mountain. I will leave a humble and poor people among you, and they will trust in the name of the LORD."

The influence of this remnant on other nations is beautifully illustrated by the prophet Micah (5:7): "The remnant of Jacob will be among many people like dew from the LORD, like showers on the grass, which do not wait for man or depend on human effort."

A great blessing awaits humanity as they come to recognize the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, embracing His ways and enjoying the rewards of a perfect life in an ideal world that will last forever.
Show me the New Testament scripture which supports your understanding of these Old Testament prophecies. I don't see it. Why is it that Jesus and the NT authors, who often quoted and explained the meaning of OT prophecies, never taught what you're saying here?
 

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Absolutely. Notice how the dispensationalists only quote from the Old Testament. They don't accept the NT explanations of the OT prophecies, so they think their interpretations of the OT prophecies are superior to the interpretations of the NT authors.
You couldn't be more wrong. Can you provide evidence for this statement. I am a Dispensationalist and I have never heard any Dispensationalist say that. You really need to do more research into Dispensationism rather than getting your information for posts from non-dispensationist or dispensationalist. Get a book by Charles Ryrie on Dispensationalism. There are tons of Dispensationalist who have put in a book form what we believe.
 

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You couldn't be more wrong. Can you provide evidence for this statement. I am a Dispensationalist and I have never heard any Dispensationalist say that.
No, I couldn't be more right. The evidence is highly in my favor, not yours. Look at the posts being made here in this thread by dispensationalists. They only reference Old Testament scripture. Where is the New Testament scripture which supports their interpretations of the Old Testament scriptures?

You really need to do more research into Dispensationism rather than getting your information for posts from non-dispensationist or dispensationalist. Get a book by Charles Ryrie on Dispensationalism. There are tons of Dispensationalist who have put in a book form what we believe.
I know what dispensationalists believe. I don't need that book. I'm talking to you and other dispensationalists on this forum. Charles Ryrie is not here. So, why don't you stop relying so much on people like him and tell me why I'm supposedly wrong in what I'm saying.
 
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I know what dispensationalists believe. I don't need that book. I'm talking to you and other dispensationalists on this forum. Charles Ryrie is not here. So, why don't you stop relying so much on people like him and tell me why I'm supposedly wrong in what I'm saying.
I can assure you that you have not read scholarly articles and books on the subject. You will remain a babe in Christ until you expose yourself to the scholarly works, instead of getting your theology out here. I am not trying to be disrespectful, but I attended a Bible College and understood then the need for exposure to scholarly works. And I don't mean 1 or 2 books, but 20 or 30.
 

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I can assure you that you have not read scholarly articles and books on the subject.
Except that I have. So, you have proven once again how untrustworthy you are.

You will remain a babe in Christ until you expose yourself to the scholarly works, instead of getting your theology out here.
Have you never read 1 Corinthians 2:9-16? You clearly have read the verses which follow it since you refer to "a babe in Christ". Show me where scripture itself says our understanding should be based on scholarly works? You won't find that. Our understanding comes from the Holy Spirit. You apparently rely on other people for understanding more than the Holy Spirit and that is a huge mistake on your part.

I am not trying to be disrespectful,
LOL. Sure.

but I attended a Bible College
I'm not impressed.

and understood then the need for exposure to scholarly works.
According to you. Not according to scripture. How many scholarly works were the disciples exposed to before coming to have the vast amount of godly wisdom that they possessed?

And I don't mean 1 or 2 books, but 20 or 30.
Oh, wow. I'm not impressed. You have to be kidding me with this nonsense. Get over yourself. That has nothing to do with understanding spiritual things.
 
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I can assure you that you have not read scholarly articles and books on the subject. You will remain a babe in Christ until you expose yourself to the scholarly works, instead of getting your theology out here. I am not trying to be disrespectful, but I attended a Bible College and understood then the need for exposure to scholarly works. And I don't mean 1 or 2 books, but 20 or 30.
Check post #25. Does it, or does it not, represent the "scholarly works" of Charles Ryrie et al?

There are more than 1700 years of historical united NT orthodox Christian Church scholarship which refute the less than 200 years of the modernist dispensational eisegeses of Ryrie et al.

If you want true scholarship, the first task is to dispose of Ryrie et al in the round file from whence they came.

Then consult the historical defenders of the true Christian faith for true scholarship.
 
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That is why I don't go to Church, the Holy Spirit teaches me. Who needs a Pastor-Teacher.
Yet, your other posts show that you rely greatly on the fallible human wisdom of people like Charles Ryrie for understanding. It's hard for the Holy Spirit to teach you anything when your mind is clouded by the false doctrines of those who taught you in Bible College and those whose books you studied that were full of false doctrine.
 
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That is why I don't go to Church, the Holy Spirit teaches me. Who needs a Pastor-Teacher.
You know what’s funny? If all the people who felt this way got together, would they be one united happy Christian family?
God’s spirit unites his people…it does not divide them. Unity would show the presence of God’s spirit in having a happy cohesive spiritual family who fulfill what Pall said in 1 Cor 1:10….NASB.

”Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our LordJesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the samejudgment.”

Does the divided church system of Christendom fit this description…..? And do the individuals out on their own personal limb, fit it either? There are only “sheep and goats” when Christ comes to judge the world (now close at hand)…..how does one know that they are a “sheep”, and in good company with other sheep? It’s a question we have to ask….
 
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”Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.”
If the Holy Spirit is trying to bring unity among believers, he has done a very poor job.