The Jew's Third Temple Plans Progressing

[Davy]

So you believe everyone in judea standing on their rooftops and in the fields will see an idol through the walls of a building?

They got xray eyes?

PS
When the United states armed forces set up the abomination that causes Jerusalem desolation,there won't be a beast left in Jerusalem .It will be desolate.

Your words only show support of Satan's coming beast one-world New World Order. How?

Because you falsely claim the United States will be included in RUSSIA's armies out of the northern quarters and its allied Islamic nations that will come upon BOTH the nation state of Israel, and the symbolic Israel in the Christian West (which includes western Europe and the United States, Britain, and Canada).

What you fail to understand from Bible Scripture is how those nations of Ezekiel 38 do NOT include ANY Christian nation. You also fail to understand that those in control of Russia today, those who follow and push Communism, represents Esau and his atheistic treatment of trading God's Birthright to Jacob for a bowl of red beans. And who all of the families of the earth did Esau marry into? He took wives of both the Canaanites, and of Ishmael (Arabs). Thus allied WITH Russia even today, are the nations of ISLAM RADICALS that want to destroy BOTH THE NATION STATE OF ISRAEL, AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

But go ahead, continue in your little fantasy world and stay deceived of what is really going on today.

 

[tailgator]

Your words only show support of Satan's coming beast one-world New World Order. How?

Because you falsely claim the United States will be included in RUSSIA's armies out of the northern quarters and its allied Islamic nations that will come upon BOTH the nation state of Israel, and the symbolic Israel in the Christian West (which includes western Europe and the United States, Britain, and Canada).

What you fail to understand from Bible Scripture is how those nations of Ezekiel 38 do NOT include ANY Christian nation. You also fail to understand that those in control of Russia today, those who follow and push Communism, represents Esau and his atheistic treatment of trading God's Birthright to Jacob for a bowl of red beans. And who all of the families of the earth did Esau marry into? He took wives of both the Canaanites, and of Ishmael (Arabs). Thus allied WITH Russia even today, are the nations of ISLAM RADICALS that want to destroy BOTH THE NATION STATE OF ISRAEL, AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

But go ahead, continue in your little fantasy world and stay deceived of what is really going on today.

Russia isn't the one who keeps invading the middle east. That would be king of the north.
You should have been paying attention during the last few decades.


Also,Russia's president would never move the Tabernacles of his palace to Jerusalem.
That was Trump who did that.

 

[tailgator]

Your words only show support of Satan's coming beast one-world New World Order. How?

Because you falsely claim the United States will be included in RUSSIA's armies out of the northern quarters and its allied Islamic nations that will come upon BOTH the nation state of Israel, and the symbolic Israel in the Christian West (which includes western Europe and the United States, Britain, and Canada).

What you fail to understand from Bible Scripture is how those nations of Ezekiel 38 do NOT include ANY Christian nation. You also fail to understand that those in control of Russia today, those who follow and push Communism, represents Esau and his atheistic treatment of trading God's Birthright to Jacob for a bowl of red beans. And who all of the families of the earth did Esau marry into? He took wives of both the Canaanites, and of Ishmael (Arabs). Thus allied WITH Russia even today, are the nations of ISLAM RADICALS that want to destroy BOTH THE NATION STATE OF ISRAEL, AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

But go ahead, continue in your little fantasy world and stay deceived of what is really going on today.

Why is it you don't comprehend the people of Israel are raised out of their graves in Ezekiel 37 before Gog invades the land of Israel in Ezekiel 38?


Or are you like Doug and believe God does not raise Israel from the dead and bring them up out of their graves?
Are you one of them who do not believe in the resurection of the dead?


Ezekiel 37

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

 

[Davy]

Russia isn't the one who keeps invading the middle east. That would be king of the north.
You should have been paying attention during the last few decades.


Also,Russia's president would never move the Tabernacles of his palace to Jerusalem.
That was Trump who did that.

You still don't study your Bible it shows, especially about the events for the end of this world.

The attack upon Jerusalem by the Ezekiel 38 nations out of the northern quarters is a LAST DAY event by Satan's host. And God is Who will gather those nations to that final battle, and will destroy them by hailstones weighing a talent (70 to 120 lbs.).

Ezekiel 38 makes it clear who those nations allied against Israel and the West will be. RUSSIA is directly involved because Ezekiel 38 mention of Hebrew 'rosh' (KJV "chief" in Ezek.38:1).

The 19th century Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger gave some interesting notes on the identity of that Ezekiel 38:2 Gog-Magog also... pointing to the area of Russia...

"Ezekiel 38:2​

Gog. A symbolical name for the nations north and east of Palestine, or the nations as a whole. That the prophecies of Ezek 38 and Ezek 39 are still future is clear from Ezek 38:8,14,16; 39:9,25,26; as Israel will have then already been "gathered", and complete restoration enjoyed immediately following the destruction of Gog "Now will I bring again the captivity of Israel". It must therefore precede the Millennium; and on that account must be distinguished from Rev 20:8,10; and may therefore perhaps be identified with Rev 16:14; 17:14; 19:17-21. Compare Matt 24:14-30; Zech 12:1-4. It marks the climax of Satan's effort to destroy Israel from being a People, and clearly belongs to the close of a yet future kingdom age. See Ezek 38:8, &c., above). The name is connected with "Og" (Deut 3:1-13), and "Agag "(Num 24:7), where the Samaritan Pentateuch reads "Agog", and the Septuagint reads "Gog", Here the Arabic reads "Agag". The historical interpretation of this prophecy is confessedly impossible.​

​

the land of Magog = of the land of the Magog. If "Gog" denotes and symbolises all that is powerful, gigantic, and proud, then "Magog" is symbolical of the same lands and peoples. Magog was a son of Japheth.​

​

the chief prince = the head, or leader of Rosh. Hebrew Rosh, which may point to Russia.​

​

Meshech and Tubal. The Sept, renders these Mesoch and Thobel: i.e. the Moschi and Tibareni, occupying regions about the Caucasus. All these a nations distant from Palestine: not near nations, or nations connected by consanguinity. They were also descended from Japheth (Gen 10:2).​

(from E. W. Bullinger's Companion Bible: Notes and Appendices. Biblesoft Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2014 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)​

The specific nations mentioned allied with that Gog-Magog are then revealed -
Persia (today's Iran and Iraq, both containing Islamic radicals supported by Russia).

Libya (recall Gaddafi's Islamic terrorist training camps supported by Russia bombed by the U.S. under President Regean)

Gomer (areas of old Soviet satellite countries below Russia, and still under control by Russia, like Georgia)

Ethiopia (which in Ezekiel's day reached farther north where Sudan is today. Sudan today is allied with Islamic radicals supported by Russia).

Togarmah (old lands of Cappodacia, which is modern day area of Turkey. Today's nation of Turkey is a NATO member, but primarily an Islamic nation. It will be the last nation on the Ezek.38 list that will convert to Russia as its primary ally.)

The reason why Communist ex-KGB Putin wishes for NATO to go away is because it 'stands' in the way of total Communist takeover of the world. Russia has even tried to use the old adage that if you can't defeat your enemy by physical means, join them and do it within. That is why they petitioned to JOIN NATO when they allowed the Berlin Wall to come down back in the early 1990's. NATO of course refused Russia from joining NATO. The mere idea of Russia, or Red China, or North Korea, joining NATO, completely defeats the purpose and mission of NATO and its allies to protect the FREE nations against a world Communist takeover.

When Satan's plans in JERUSALEM at the end fails, when God's witnesses prophesy to the WHOLE WORLD via satellite, Satan will then seek to destroy Israel and its people forever, and bring those Ezekiel 38 armies out of the northern quarters to attack God's people in the state of Israel, and in the Christian West. That will happen on the last day of this present world...

Zeph 3:8
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.
KJV

That is about the event of 2 Peter 3:10 when God's "consuming fire" will burn the elements of man's works off this earth on the "day of the Lord", which is the day of Christ's future 2nd coming. That army coming out of the northern quarters will be destroyed by Christ's coming and God's "consuming fire" on that final day.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

No,the Jews who's names are not written, followed the beast from all nations,tongues and peoples.That has been a fulfillment in progress since 1948.

And yet.... the Lord continues to protect them because He promised Abraham that He would bless Abraham's descendants.... the racist anti-semites hitler lovers just hate that Israel cannot be destroyed.

Trump is a despicable person.Not many people like a despicable person but Trumps followers are going against the norm.

Meh, Trump isn't any worse than people such as yourself

Trump is actually doing numerous things the Lord is very much in agreement with... but feel free to stew in your blue bayou - it's pretty humorous to watch the liberals gnash their teeth

Have I ever showed you how I knew Trump would move the US embassy to Jerusalem years before he did it?

No... and I really don't care

Paul still used "naos" regardless of whether you believe God's Word or not.

You gonna have to do better than that to get your blah blah whatever point across

you are NOT a Preterist?

WHY would anybody follow the false doctrines of preterism???

That's slow man... really REALLY slow!

 

[Davy]

WHY would anybody follow the false doctrines of preterism???

That's slow man... really REALLY slow! View attachment 59476

I well know why a serious Bible student of God's Word would never fall to man's Preterist theories. Have no doubt about that. I was actually raised in a mainstream Preterist Church organization system, but I didn't know it back then. I am presently non-denominational, and would rather stay with what God's Word says as written, and let the chips fall where they may.

I asked about you because I wasn't sure where you are coming from. Do you accept Darby's pre-trib rapture theory? (I do not; I am Post-trib).

 

[covenantee]

You gonna have to do better than that to get your blah blah whatever point across

Just leave what you don't understand for those who do.

 

[tailgator]

You still don't study your Bible it shows, especially about the events for the end of this world.

The attack upon Jerusalem by the Ezekiel 38 nations out of the northern quarters is a LAST DAY event by Satan's host. And God is Who will gather those nations to that final battle, and will destroy them by hailstones weighing a talent (70 to 120 lbs.).

Ezekiel 38 makes it clear who those nations allied against Israel and the West will be. RUSSIA is directly involved because Ezekiel 38 mention of Hebrew 'rosh' (KJV "chief" in Ezek.38:1).

The 19th century Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger gave some interesting notes on the identity of that Ezekiel 38:2 Gog-Magog also... pointing to the area of Russia...

"Ezekiel 38:2​

Gog. A symbolical name for the nations north and east of Palestine, or the nations as a whole. That the prophecies of Ezek 38 and Ezek 39 are still future is clear from Ezek 38:8,14,16; 39:9,25,26; as Israel will have then already been "gathered", and complete restoration enjoyed immediately following the destruction of Gog "Now will I bring again the captivity of Israel". It must therefore precede the Millennium; and on that account must be distinguished from Rev 20:8,10; and may therefore perhaps be identified with Rev 16:14; 17:14; 19:17-21. Compare Matt 24:14-30; Zech 12:1-4. It marks the climax of Satan's effort to destroy Israel from being a People, and clearly belongs to the close of a yet future kingdom age. See Ezek 38:8, &c., above). The name is connected with "Og" (Deut 3:1-13), and "Agag "(Num 24:7), where the Samaritan Pentateuch reads "Agog", and the Septuagint reads "Gog", Here the Arabic reads "Agag". The historical interpretation of this prophecy is confessedly impossible.​

​

the land of Magog = of the land of the Magog. If "Gog" denotes and symbolises all that is powerful, gigantic, and proud, then "Magog" is symbolical of the same lands and peoples. Magog was a son of Japheth.​

​

the chief prince = the head, or leader of Rosh. Hebrew Rosh, which may point to Russia.​

​

Meshech and Tubal. The Sept, renders these Mesoch and Thobel: i.e. the Moschi and Tibareni, occupying regions about the Caucasus. All these a nations distant from Palestine: not near nations, or nations connected by consanguinity. They were also descended from Japheth (Gen 10:2).​

(from E. W. Bullinger's Companion Bible: Notes and Appendices. Biblesoft Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2014 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)​

The specific nations mentioned allied with that Gog-Magog are then revealed -
Persia (today's Iran and Iraq, both containing Islamic radicals supported by Russia).

Libya (recall Gaddafi's Islamic terrorist training camps supported by Russia bombed by the U.S. under President Regean)

Gomer (areas of old Soviet satellite countries below Russia, and still under control by Russia, like Georgia)

Ethiopia (which in Ezekiel's day reached farther north where Sudan is today. Sudan today is allied with Islamic radicals supported by Russia).

Togarmah (old lands of Cappodacia, which is modern day area of Turkey. Today's nation of Turkey is a NATO member, but primarily an Islamic nation. It will be the last nation on the Ezek.38 list that will convert to Russia as its primary ally.)

The reason why Communist ex-KGB Putin wishes for NATO to go away is because it 'stands' in the way of total Communist takeover of the world. Russia has even tried to use the old adage that if you can't defeat your enemy by physical means, join them and do it within. That is why they petitioned to JOIN NATO when they allowed the Berlin Wall to come down back in the early 1990's. NATO of course refused Russia from joining NATO. The mere idea of Russia, or Red China, or North Korea, joining NATO, completely defeats the purpose and mission of NATO and its allies to protect the FREE nations against a world Communist takeover.

When Satan's plans in JERUSALEM at the end fails, when God's witnesses prophesy to the WHOLE WORLD via satellite, Satan will then seek to destroy Israel and its people forever, and bring those Ezekiel 38 armies out of the northern quarters to attack God's people in the state of Israel, and in the Christian West. That will happen on the last day of this present world...

Zeph 3:8
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.
KJV

That is about the event of 2 Peter 3:10 when God's "consuming fire" will burn the elements of man's works off this earth on the "day of the Lord", which is the day of Christ's future 2nd coming. That army coming out of the northern quarters will be destroyed by Christ's coming and God's "consuming fire" on that final day.

No,I understand when Gog comes against the resurected saints who are resurected in Ezekiel 37 and revelation 20.
It takes place after Israelis resurected from their graves In Ezekiel 37.Israel does not come out of their graves till Jesus comes.

 

[tailgator]

And yet.... the Lord continues to protect them because He promised Abraham that He would bless Abraham's descendants.... the racist anti-semites hitler lovers just hate that Israel cannot be destroyed. View attachment 59474






Meh, Trump isn't any worse than people such as yourself

Trump is actually doing numerous things the Lord is very much in agreement with... but feel free to stew in your blue bayou - it's pretty humorous to watch the liberals gnash their teeth View attachment 59475






No... and I really don't care






You gonna have to do better than that to get your blah blah whatever point across






WHY would anybody follow the false doctrines of preterism???

That's slow man... really REALLY slow! View attachment 59476

If God were protecting them then none of them would have been killed by Hamas.

That in itself is proof God is not protecting them.

 

[Davidpt]

You say one beast of many being destroyed is global destruction.

It's not
The other beasts continue to live.


Daniel 7:12
(The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)


It's just one kingdom that is destroyed at Christs coming and his kingdom is given to the resurected saints.The rest of the beasts continue for another 1000 years.

I might not fully agree with you about some of these things, but how could you possibly be wrong about Daniel 7:12? The context is the little horn being given to the burning flame. That has not happened in history at any time. The text plainly indicates that when the little horn is given to the burning flame, the rest of the beasts are not also given to the burning flame. Because if they are the text would have plainly said so. Instead their lives are prolonged for a season and a time. The only thing that could possibly explain it is the thousand years and satan's little season.

But since others are going to disagree regardless, they then need to produce the text anywhere in Daniel 7 where it plainly states that when the little horn is given to the burning flame so are the rest of the beasts. Otherwise one is adding to the text things not remotely found written within the text. Most call that eisegesis not exegesis when one adds to the text something not found written in the text. IOW, eisegesis is bad, only exegesis is good.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I might not fully agree with you about some of these things, but how could you possibly be wrong about Daniel 7:12? The context is the little horn being given to the burning flame. That has not happened in history at any time. The text plainly indicates that when the little horn is given to the burning flame, the rest of the beasts are not also given to the burning flame. Because if they are the text would have plainly said so. Instead their lives are prolonged for a season and a time. The only thing that could possibly explain it is the thousand years and satan's little season.

So, who are those 3 beasts then? You keep saying this, but you don't explain your understanding of what the four beasts respresents. That makes your claims pointless and not anything to take seriously. Are you afraid to give your view of what the four beasts represent?

But since others are going to disagree regardless, they then need to produce the text anywhere in Daniel 7 where it plainly states that when the little horn is given to the burning flame so are the rest of the beasts.

No one is even claiming that. You waste an incredible amount of time with your straw man arguments.

Otherwise one is adding to the text things not remotely found written within the text. Most call that eisegesis not exegesis when one adds to the text something not found written in the text. IOW, eisegesis is bad, only exegesis is good.

Where is your exegesis? Nowhere to be found. You don't even say what you think the four beasts represent, so I'm failing to see your exegesis here. Many believe that they represent four historical world empires and I agree. It indicates that the beasts represent kingdoms (Daniel 7:23) and that they are successive kingdoms rather than being in power at the same time. Yet, your view demands that they are in power all at the same time. How can that be?

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Notice here that it indicates that the first 3 beasts come before the fourth beast. That means when the fourth beast is in power, the previous 3 beasts no longer are in power. But, your view has all 4 beasts in power at the same time up until the time when the fourth beast is "slain" and "given to the burning flame".

 

[covenantee]

And yet.... the Lord continues to protect them because He promised Abraham that He would bless Abraham's descendants....

Here's what He promised.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here's what He promised.

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Dispensationalists apparently don't care much for what Paul taught. I guess they don't think he knew what he was talking about and they think he didn't understand the Old Testament like they do.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I asked about you because I wasn't sure where you are coming from. Do you accept Darby's pre-trib rapture theory? (I do not; I am Post-trib).

According to 2nd Thess the rapture happens sometime after the anti-christ is revealed to the world.... so let the chips fall where they may and they don't fall pre-trib or post-tib.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

So, for those believing the Lord is going to leave His faithful here on earth when satan is allowed to have control over the earth to be slaughtered by demons.... according to your faith it shall be done unto you. Enjoy!

The Lord has a track record throughout scripture of rescuing his faithful.... and this time will be no different.

Those that refuse to believe in the Lord's power to deliver His faithful from evil, and those that are christian in name only (CINO) will not actually be recused which will be very pleasurable to satan and his demons cause they commin for ya!

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Cherry pickers.... need not apply!

Just leave what you don't understand for those who do

Yeah, I don't understand the dark teachings of those being deceived by the devil... I'm not in the dark so enjoy!

If God were protecting them then none of them would have been killed by Hamas.

That in itself is proof God is not protecting them.

The nation of Israel is still standing.... they turned their back on the Lord so His protection does not stop them from experiencing great difficulties due to their going astray

You have had difficulties in your life since becoming a believer... so based on your logic God is not protecting you and is allowing satan to slap you around at will

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

None the less.... back in the OT God promised to bless Abraham's descendants and He continues to do so.

God cannot lie and those claiming He has decided to no longer do what He promised His friend Abraham that He would do... do not know the Lord and are void of understanding.

 

[covenantee]

None the less.... back in the OT God promised to bless Abraham's descendants and He continues to do so.

He promised to bless Abraham, Christ, and those who are Christ's.

No others.

 

[Davy]

According to 2nd Thess the rapture happens sometime after the anti-christ is revealed to the world.... so let the chips fall where they may and they don't fall pre-trib or post-tib.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

So, for those believing the Lord is going to leave His faithful here on earth when satan is allowed to have control over the earth to be slaughtered by demons.... according to your faith it shall be done unto you. Enjoy!

Your statements do betray your belief on man's false pre-trib rapture theory. Any... idea that the Church is raptured prior to the "great tribulation" is man's false pre-trib rapture theory, and the Mid-Trib view is included in that, which is just another mask for pre-trib.

And I'm surprised that you would TRY... to use Paul's 2 Thessalonians 2 Chapter to push the false idea that the Church will not be here through the trials of that "man of sin", when God's Word is clear that the Church will go through it, and even some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony against the beast when he manifests on earth (Mark 13).

 

[Dan Clarkston]

He promised to bless Abraham, Christ, and those who are Christ's.

No others.

Then you must be confused as to WHY the return of the Nation of Israel was foretold in scripture and totally befuddled as to WHY all the muzlim nations have tried numerous times to wipe Israel off the map and have failed even when they were so much more powerful (at least on paper) than Israel
Funny thing ain't it?

And I'm surprised that you would TRY... to use Paul's 2 Thessalonians 2 Chapter to push the false idea that the Church will not be here through the trials of that "man of sin", when God's Word is clear that the Church will go through it, and even some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony against the beast when he manifests on earth (Mark 13).

You failed to realize that after the rapture there will still be people getting born again and there will be those that were backsliden away from the Lord that will repent and get right with Him after the rapture and there will be those that believed wrong concerning the rapture and will be left behind.... all of which is how there are Christians still here during the trib.

As already mentioned, the Lord has a track record of rescuing His faithful.... keyword there is FAITHFUL.... from destruction and this time will be no different.

So for people such as yourself who believe there is no recuse of the FAITHFUL before satan is allowed to have complete rule over the world for his short time.... according to your faith it will be done unto you and you will in fact be left behind due to your unbelief. Enjoy!

The Lord's faithful will look down upon thee and say... "I'm sure glad I didn't believe like that guy did and don't have to take a whippin from the devil like he is experiencing... Ouch, looks painful!"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You failed to realize that after the rapture there will still be people getting born again and there will be those that were backsliden away from the Lord that will repent and get right with Him after the rapture and there will be those that believed wrong concerning the rapture and will be left behind.... all of which is how there are Christians still here during the trib.

As already mentioned, the Lord has a track record of rescuing His faithful.... keyword there is FAITHFUL.... from destruction and this time will be no different.

So for people such as yourself who believe there is no recuse of the FAITHFUL before satan is allowed to have complete rule over the world for his short time.... according to your faith it will be done unto you and you will in fact be left behind due to your unbelief. Enjoy!

The Lord's faithful will look down upon thee and say... "I'm sure glad I didn't believe like that guy did and don't have to take a whippin from the devil like he is experiencing... Ouch, looks painful!"

No one will be getting saved after the rapture. That is not taught anywhere in scripture. Also, this is completely unacceptable for you to condemn a fellow follower of Christ like this just because he doesn't share your pre-trib rapture view.. Do you not understand that those who are left behind are unbelievers who will then be immediately killed by the wrath of Christ? How can you say that any Christian will be left behind? Being caught up in the rapture is not going to be based on what end times beliefs we have, but rather on whether or not we belong to Christ.

Your understanding of what will happen to those left behind is flawed. Please read Luke 17:26-37.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

At the beginning of this passage Jesus compared what will happen at His second coming to what happened in the flood in Noah's day and to what happened in Sodom in Lot's day. He talked about how Noah went into the ark and then the flood killed everyone left behind outside the ark. He also talked about Lot and his family leaving Sodom and then the same day fire came down and destroyed everyone left behind in Sodom. So, the point Jesus was making is that some will be spared when He comes and the rest will be killed just like in Noah's day and Lot's day. And then Jesus said "whoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosever shall lose his life shall preserve it". So, that establishes the context of what Jesus was talking about when He said one would be taken and one left. The ones taken will be the church and we will meet Jesus in the air. The ones left behind will be killed just like those left behind out of the ark and out of Sodom were. Those who are seeking to save their lives because they are loyal to this world and love this world instead of God will lose their lives when Jesus comes an those who are willing to lose their lives for Him will be spared from His wrath and taken up to meet Him and then be with Him forever.

 

[tailgator]

No one will be getting saved after the rapture. That is not taught anywhere in scripture. Also, this is completely unacceptable for you to condemn a fellow follower of Christ like this just because he doesn't share your pre-trib rapture view.. Do you not understand that those who are left behind are unbelievers who will then be immediately killed by the wrath of Christ? How can you say that any Christian will be left behind? Being caught up in the rapture is not going to be based on what end times beliefs we have, but rather on whether or not we belong to Christ.

Your understanding of what will happen to those left behind is flawed. Please read Luke 17:26-37.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

At the beginning of this passage Jesus compared what will happen at His second coming to what happened in the flood in Noah's day and to what happened in Sodom in Lot's day. He talked about how Noah went into the ark and then the flood killed everyone left behind outside the ark. He also talked about Lot and his family leaving Sodom and then the same day fire came down and destroyed everyone left behind in Sodom. So, the point Jesus was making is that some will be spared when He comes and the rest will be killed just like in Noah's day and Lot's day. And then Jesus said "whoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosever shall lose his life shall preserve it". So, that establishes the context of what Jesus was talking about when He said one would be taken and one left. The ones taken will be the church and we will meet Jesus in the air. The ones left behind will be killed just like those left behind out of the ark and out of Sodom were. Those who are seeking to save their lives because they are loyal to this world and love this world instead of God will lose their lives when Jesus comes an those who are willing to lose their lives for Him will be spared from His wrath and taken up to meet Him and then be with Him forever.

Noah was left behind while them who were oblivious to the coming destruction were taken away by the flood.

It's the same with the he coming of Jesus, the tares are gathered and burned. Then the wheat is gathered into the barn.I would prefer to be left behind than to burn.

I wouldnt oppose inheriting the earth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Noah was left behind while them who were oblivious to the coming destruction were taken away by the flood.

It's the same with the he coming of Jesus, the tares are gathered and burned. Then the wheat is gathered into the barn.I would prefer to be left behind than to burn.

Did you even read all of my post? You're not addressing what I said. Jesus didn't just compare His coming to what happened in Noah's day, but also in Lot's day. The reference to those left is not to those who lives are spared, but to those left behind to be killed. Those left behind outside the ark were all killed. Those left behind in Sodom after Lot and his family were taken away from there were all killed. Jesus said that's how it will be when He comes again. The church will be taken up to meet Him in the air and those left behind will all be killed because He will be taking vengeance on them (2 Thess 1:7-10). They will be killed by "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3).

But, the point I was making was to refute the idea that anyone left behind is then given a chance to be saved. No, that is not true. Everyone will either be caught up to meet the Lord or be killed. That doesn't leave any mortals on the earth after that.