Dreams and Visions that come today.

[Hidden In Him]

You are looking at the "light (or presentation) to the gentiles" as the event...which is not how this all actually works.

Revelations of foreshadowing, prophecies, or enactments of "light" in this world, are not the actual events. You can (and most do) look at everything in the context of the timing of revelation events made manifest, but again, that is not the whole and accurate or "all truth" of it. By that same measure, Christ would have only saved himself in the crucifixion. But no, we "were crucified with Him"...and He was "slain before the foundation of the world"--and we also "with Him."

But I am not giving my interpretation or opinion. These are the days of "all truth" being revealed as promised and written, not merely days of enactments of revelations made manifest that have been until now.

The answer then, is "all" were evil, and "all" called, but "few" chosen. As it is also written, "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). But don't misunderstand: No one who is born (again) of the spirit of God, is fallen, or evil, or having sin. And if you presume to divide the evil from the good, which was before the foundation of the world--not only will you error, but presume to be God. The problem is, this issue would appear to reside within a smaller context, but does not...which, yes, is why Paul preached the renewing of your mind. Best to get use to it--as these are the days foretold.

If I may, I have a question for you: Do you regard Jesus Christ to be the God of the Old Testament?

 

[Hobie]

Hobie, since you brought this up, let me ask you about your theology. Are you SDA or a Bible Student perhaps?

I am a Adventist not sure what you mean by 'Bible Student".

 

[Hobie]

When you shut your eyes to the truth its like walking in the dark, and this is what happens when you do away with the parts of Gods Word you may not like, or the text that you dont agree with, or the Law or parts of the Law. You have to accept Gods Word as a whole, because once you start to take our the pieces you dont like, then the light in them is lost and you stumble as the Bible says.

John 11:10
But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I am a Adventist not sure what you mean by 'Bible Student".

They were an offshoot denomination with some similar beliefs, but thanks for the answer. I knew it had to be something pretty close given your theological positions.

But here is why I'm asking:

Well, if you want to make it about this forum, ask how here many reject half of Gods Word, the Old Testament, or reject Gods Law the Ten Commandments saying its done away with, or reject His Sabbath to say the least. So need to discern my brother...

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If you take the position that those who disagree with you theologically must of necessity not be having dreams from God, isn't that assuming too much? I mean you are alienating everyone but SDA's from receiving genuine dreams almost when you say "There is no light in them."

 

[Hobie]

They were an offshoot denomination with some similar beliefs, but thanks for the answer. I knew it had to be something pretty close given your theological positions.

But here is why I'm asking:


If you take the position that those who disagree with you theologically must of necessity not be having dreams from God, isn't that assuming too much? I mean you are alienating everyone but SDA's from receiving genuine dreams almost when you say "There is no light in them."

These are Gods words not mine, and the ones I posted about were members if you look.

 

[Hidden In Him]

These are Gods words not mine, and the ones I posted about were members if you look.

Yes, they are God's words, but you are interpreting them to mean that if someone's doctrines are not "right" that their dreams cannot be from God. Pilate's wife had a dream before the crucifixion, and she warned her husband not to crucify the Lord. Pharaoh's servants had dreams that Jospeh interpreted, and Pharaoh himself had dreams that Joseph interpreted. Nebuchadnezzar had multiple dreams that Daniel interpreted. How can you claim that Christians who just happen to disagree with you theologically here cannot?

 

[Hobie]

Yes, they are God's words, but you are interpreting them to mean that if someone's doctrines are not "right" that their dreams cannot be from God. Pilate's wife had a dream before the crucifixion, and she warned her husband not to crucify the Lord. Pharaoh's servants had dreams that Jospeh interpreted, and Pharaoh himself had dreams that Joseph interpreted. Nebuchadnezzar had multiple dreams that Daniel interpreted. How can you claim that Christians who just happen to disagree with you theologically here cannot?

Sorry my brother, Gods Word is crystal clear.."To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

 

[Hidden In Him]

Sorry my brother, Gods Word is crystal clear.."To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Hobie, you are referring to me as your brother. I receive dreams from God on a regular basis and I strongly disagree with you theologically on a lot of things. If there is no light in me, how can I be your brother?

 

[Hobie]

Hobie, you are referring to me as your brother. I receive dreams from God on a regular basis and I strongly disagree with you theologically on a lot of things. If there is no light in me, how can I be your brother?

My brother, trust Gods Word, not the error which comes from self, and you will keep away from dangerous deceptions and delusions.

 

[Hidden In Him]

My brother, trust Gods Word, not the error which comes from self, and you will keep away from dangerous deceptions and delusions.

LoL. Hobie, I do trust in God's word, and I am well-studied in it. But you keep avoiding responding to my actual posts and making these statements that muddy the water even more instead.

Is it not possible that you aren't infallible, and are actually the one trusting in your own interpretive errors? What if you are the one not keeping away from dangerous deceptions, but are instead posting what isn't so?

 

[ScottA]

I forgot how much you spiritualize, LoL. We always talked two completely different languages.

If I may, I have a question for you, though: Do you regard Jesus Christ to be the God of the Old Testament?

Jesus is God, the same yesterday, today, and forever. But if I understand you correctly, to elaborate according to the times of this world--in that context, the answer is yes, and no...for He was in the beginning with God and yet was God, and also has come in the flesh among men; and the Spirit of God did also come upon men, making Himself manifest as if by angels; and the Father also interacted with His children of old and still does, then from beyond the void, and now within.

But yes, our God spiritualizes...and so do I.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Yes, it may prove to be impossible to judge a personal revelation against scriptures in practice. However the exception is if you are told something personal in the dream that is contrary to God's promises, I would instead believe it is from the enemy.

This would likely be a discussion for another thread, but I believe in the concept of warning dreams, or in other words dreams that warn of bad things happening if we should stay on a current course that is detrimental to us, such as holding bitterness towards someone or stubbornly refusing to bend from a particular stand regarding work, family, one's marriage, one's church etc.

Sorry about the late response. Just seeing this now.

 

[Hobie]

LoL. Hobie, I do trust in God's word, and I am well-studied in it. But you keep avoiding responding to my actual posts and making these statements that muddy the water even more instead.

Is it not possible that you aren't infallible, and are actually the one trusting in your own interpretive errors? What if you are the one not keeping away from dangerous deceptions, but are instead posting what isn't so?

I think everyone can discern the truth of what Gods Word says, versus man and his ideas from self.

 

[lforrest]

This would likely be a discussion for another thread, but I believe in the concept of warning dreams, or in other words dreams that warn of bad things happening if we should stay on a current course that is detrimental to us, such as holding bitterness towards someone or stubbornly refusing to bend from a particular stand regarding work, family, one's marriage, one's church etc.

Sorry about the late response. Just seeing this now.

I agree but I'm not referring to warnings due to disobedience. But to discouragement, that would have us forget who we are in Christ.

 

[Hobie]

so long as the dream dont CONTRADICT scripture . you are right my friend
many of these so called dream prophets
will spend hours teaching the church , ONLY IT AINT DOCTRINE
its all about experiences , about money , about us even being EQUAL to GOD . pretty scary huh .
Kenneth copeland been teaching , HEY WE EQUAL TO THE FATHER .
and before one thinks oh he dont mean it like that .
HE is the same man
that said , I HAD to TELL GOD , TELL GOD . TELL GOD
to GET THE SON OUTTA MY WAY SO I COULD GET THE JOB DONE . not only does he see himself
as EQUAL TO GOD TO CHRIST , bud HE SEES HIMSELF AS GREATER THAN .
REMINDS ME of ...................I SHALL BE AS GOD , satan said that .

Yes, but these false preachers are everywhere it seems claiming we are 'little gods' or worse. Many are picking up that lie and even spreading it more. There must be spirits of demons that use that on the mind while others work using temptation on the body. Many evil angels showing up in 'dreams or visions' it seems and clearly unclean spirits taking over people as we see here in the forum and elsewhere online...

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, but these false preachers are everywhere it seems claiming we are 'little gods' or worse. Many are picking up that lie and even spreading it more. There must be spirits of demons that use that on the mind while others work using temptation on the body. Many evil angels showing up and clearly unclean spirits taking over people as we see here in the forum and elsewhere online...

And why does the lie move so quickly . Cause judge not correct not wont correct sins and errors
and thus leaven took over and it just keeps getting worse .
The world beleives it is entitled to its opinion
and when that mindset became the mindset of christendom the leaven flooded in .................
Allow me to let us all in on a huge secrete .
WE AINT entitled to our opinion . We must simply agree with what the HOLY GOD says and all lovely pure doctrine .
So many are so worried about my right , his right , her right
THEY FORGOT about DOING RIGHT and what IS RIGHT . EVERY WORD of the LORD is HOLY PURE and RIGHT .
This generation needs a heart and mind change and fast .