SATAN, NOT BOUND YET

[TribulationSigns]

That hasn't happened yet.... look around bub, evil is alive and active all over this world

There will always be evil in the world, right up until the coming return of Christ! But that's not the question. The question is, is this evil in the world a sign of the end, when there has always been atrocities and evil in the world, or is it a very different lack of love that Christ was addressing in Matthew 24. Is Christ warning us to beware the abominations in the world or to beware the abominations in our own house as a sign of his coming? That would be a good question that you need to figure out!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

There will always be evil in the world, right up until the coming return of Christ! But that's not the question. The question is, is this evil in the world a sign of the end, when there has always been atrocities and evil in the world, or is it a very different lack of love that Christ was addressing in Matthew 24. Is Christ warning us to beware the abominations in the world or to beware the abominations in our own house as a sign of his coming? That would be a good question that you need to figure out!

That's not related to this other fella who is claiming.... satan and his demons have all been bound.... when they clearly have not been bound yet.

Evil was here on earth before God ever created mankind, and will be here until Jesus returns to start His 1000 Year reign over this world at which time satan and his demons will all be locked up

There have been abominations in this world ever since satan got cast out of Heaven so just because there are abominations in the world does not necessarily mean the Lord is about to return any minute, not according to 2nd Thess.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Certainly not for you to demand that I bow down to you as my Teachers and throw the Holy Ghost and God's Word out the window!

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That's not what I'm saying. Why don't you actually read what I'm saying? Did you just skip the part where I encourage you to be like the Bereans to see if what I'm saying is true and to let the Holy Spirit confirm it for you? Why are you so dishonest about what I say? Never did I suggest that you should "throw the Holy Ghost and God's Word out the window". Not even close. Why are you lying like this?

You're actually in dire need of teaching seeing how your claim is some parts of God's Word are lies.

I have made no such claim at all and you know it. I would never claim that parts of God's Word are lies. That is a lie. You are exposing yourself as a liar here. You need to repent of that.

Hey, I'm not the one claiming God's Word does not say.... what it's clearly saying.

Where have I done that? Nowhere. If I interpret something differently than you that does not mean I'm saying God's Word does not say what it's saying. It means I'm saying that God's word does not say what you think it's saying. Big difference. I know you can tell the difference, but you are choosing to be dishonest by misrepresenting what I'm saying, which is shameful on your part. Are you so lacking in confidence that you can defend your own view that you have to resort to lying about mine?

No, you were trying to show me what the devil says which is some scriptures are lies.

I would never claim such a thing. You are the one lying here. You don't even address the scriptures that I've brought up. That says it all about you. You apparently would rather cherry pick the scriptures that you accept while ignoring the ones that I'm bringing up.

You missed it yet again... hang in their bud, maybe you'll get it one of these days!

The next coherent, convincing argument that you make will be the first one, pal. Your thinking is very shallow. You need to dig deeper into God's Word to find the truth of this matter.

And yet.... Hebrews 2:8 is crystal clear.... "But now we see not yet all things put under Him"

And what do you think that means exactly? Keeping in mind that other scripture, including Hebrews 2:8 itself, says that all things have been put under Him? Do you just ignore that?

Do you think you don't need to reconcile your understanding of what it means when it says "But now we see not yet all things put under Him" with when it says in the very same verse "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet." and "he left nothing that is not put under him"? Do you think your cherry picking method of interpretation is acceptable? It absolutely is not.

So, how do you reconcile the same verse saying ""Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet." and "left nothing that is not put under him" and "But now we see not yet all things put under Him"? I've already explained how I reconcile that. You have not and apparently think you don't need to and can just ignore where it says "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet." and "he left nothing that is not put under him".

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

So, how about you stop your lying accusations and clowning around and tell me how you interpret the first sentence in that verse?

And you claim this is not true which is sad for you since you don't know this is true which is going to lead to a lot of boo hoo hoo if this is not REPENTED of quickly.

You talk like a child. How can I take you seriously? It's very difficult.

Look around bub.... there's more evil in the world now than ever before.

When did I say otherwise? What I have been talking about applies to the past almost 2,000 years. I'm not saying things haven't gotten worse recently. I'm talking about the difference overall in the past almost 2,000 years compared to the Old Testament times which preceded that. Do you think, at least before more recently, that there has been no difference in the world in the past almost 2,000 years when the gospel has been preached than there was previous to that when Paul said that the Gentiles were in a state of "having no hope, and without God in the world" (Ephesians 2:11-13)?

And once again you are claiming some of God's Word is lies.

Where did I claim that? Nowhere and I never would. Interpreting God's Word differently in some places than you is not a case of claiming that some of it is lies. That's nonsense. You are lying by saying that and need to repent of your own lies.

.. Premillennialism is based upon a literal interpretation of Revelation 20 (Revelation 20:1–6) in the New Testament, which describes Jesus's reign in a period of a thousand years.

No kidding. Do you think I don't know that? It's a mistake to interpret it that way because, for one thing, we're talking about the most highly symbolic book in the entire Bible, but, more importantly, a literal interpretation contradicts many other scriptures.

Man for your sake I hope you repent of your sins and get right with the Lord before it's too late!

LOL. You are completely clueless. What sins are you talking about there, buddy? The sin of disagreeing with your interpretation of some scriptures? Since when is that a sin? LOL. You are hilarious. Are you a comedian for a living?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That hasn't happened yet.... look around bub, evil is alive and active all over this world

1 Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but satan hindered us.

Here we see the Apostle Paul acknowledging that satan is not bound and was in fact hindering Paul's ministry

So you folks have to now claim that Paul was ignorant and was not aware that satan has been bound and cannot hinder his ministry in anyway

Did ya'll take Paul's writings out of your bibles?

You draw conclusions from one verse without looking at the big picture. That's how cults interpret scripture. I'm not saying you're in a cult, but I'm just saying your approach to interpreting scripture is flawed and similar to how cults interpret it. Satan hindered Paul temporarily in some places, but he did not stop the gospel from being preached to the known world at the time.

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Why do you ignore verses like these? It means very little that the gospel was hindered in some places temporarily when we know that it ended up being preached throughout the known world at that time and has been preached to other parts of the world ever since without Satan being able to stop it because of being bound from doing so. This is very different than Old Testament times when he held the power of death and was able to keep the world in slavery to the fear of death, as it talks about in Hebrews 2:14-15. But, you don't even think about these things because of your very narrow and shallow view of things.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Why don't you actually read what I'm saying?

I did and it contained false doctrine so it had to be discarded.

I encourage you to be like the Bereans to see if what I'm saying is true and to let the Holy Spirit confirm it for you?

The Lord revealed to me the false doctrine you were espousing and directed me to discard it.

I know it's shocking to you that anybody would not bow down to your "teaching office" and not agree with all that you say. Those that think too highly of themselves get triggered when others dare to not agree in lock step with all they say.

Why are you lying like this?

It's not a lie... you said I should let you teach me... and in order for me to let you teach me,m I'll need to throw God's Word and the Holy Ghost out in order to believe the false doctrine that you espouse..... so bub, no can do.

I have made no such claim at all and you know it.

You actually have... you claimed Hebrews 2:8 by saying this portion is not true.... "But now we see not yet all things put under Him"

You claim the devil is bound up when he is clearly not bound... which is what Hebrews 2:8 is telling us that Jesus has not assume absolute authority in this world as of yet.

You are exposing yourself as a liar here. You need to repent of that.

You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

You don't even address the scriptures that I've brought up.

They are being twisted to claim Hebrews 2:8 is not trues when you claim the devil has been bound when Hebrews 2:8 clearly tells Jesus has not assumed absolute authority over this world as of yet.

You need to dig deeper into God's Word to find the truth of this matter.

I did, and I listened to your claims.... compared them to God's Word and sadly you came up short.

So, what God says in His Word stand... what you said had to be discar5ded due to being in conflict with God's Word. Sorry bub, nothing personal you understand

Hebrews 2:8 itself, says that all things have been put under Him? Do you just ignore that?

And then it turns around and says "But now we see not yet all things put under Him"

That's the part you were claiming is untrue as in... it's a lie someone slipped in to God's Word.

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus speaking of the devil, says he is the prince of this world.

John 14:30
the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Hang in there bud.... maybe you''ll get it one of these days!

So, how about you stop your lying accusations and clowning around and tell me how you interpret the first sentence in that verse?

I got the Holy Ghost and God's Word... your so called "assistance" is not needed due to the deception you are peddling. Sorry bub, nothing personal.

I'm sure if you look around you can find some unlearned gullible souls that will let you be there Teacher... they might even send in some offerings who knows!

How can I take you seriously?

That's your problem, not mine.

I know you cannot be taken seriously hearing about the false doctrine you espouse and all.

I'm talking about the difference overall in the past almost 2,000 years compared to the Old Testament times which preceded that.

There's more evil now than there was then... primarily because there are so many more people now to bow down to the devil and follow him.

You are lying by saying that and need to repent of your own lies.

You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

Do you think I don't know that?

You espouse the unbiblical claim that satan has been bound when he clearly has not... so you obviously need a lot of help.

What sins are you talking about there, buddy?

The sin of claiming parts of God's Word is untrue... and no, I'm not yo buddy.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You draw conclusions from one verse without looking at the big picture.

know who's lying? I included other references.

satan hindered Paul temporarily in some places

Uh huh, and if satan was actually bound as you claim he would have NOT hindered Paul's ministry in any way.
Do better homie!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Uh huh, and if satan was actually bound as you claim he would have NOT hindered Paul's ministry in any way.

Paul and all believers since the Cross have faced tribulations and trials. This is why, at times, enemies have attempted to hinder Christians in fulfilling the Great Commission. However, this does not stop the message of salvation from reaching the ends of the earth. People were being added to God's kingdom, which proves that Satan was still bound!

Do better homie!

Look yourself in the mirror and say that.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Paul and all believers since the Cross have faced tribulations and trials. This is why, at times, enemies have attempted to hinder Christians in fulfilling the Great Commission. However, this does not stop the message of salvation from reaching the ends of the earth. People were being added to God's kingdom, which proves that Satan was still bound!

Right.... and still, satan and his demons are NOT bound as some falsely espouse.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Another reference for ya proving satan is not bound currently...

Look yourself in the mirror and say that.

You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Lord revealed to me the false doctrine you were espousing and directed me to discard it.

That wasn't the Lord.

I know it's shocking to you that anybody would not bow down to your "teaching office" and not agree with all that you say. Those that think too highly of themselves get triggered when others dare to not agree in lock step with all they say.

I don't expect anyone to bow down to me at all. You are clearly not reading everything I'm saying. You clearly missed where I encouraged you to be like the Bereans and study scripture for yourself to see what I'm saying is true. Why would I do that if I thought all you had to do was listen to me? That's not what I'm saying, but you don't care about paying attention to what I'm actually saying.

It's not a lie... you said I should let you teach me... and in order for me to let you teach me,m I'll need to throw God's Word and the Holy Ghost out in order to believe the false doctrine that you espouse..... so bub, no can do.

Excuse me, bub, but I also said you should study it for yourself and let the Holy Spirit confirm it. Why do you leave that part out? That's very dishonest of you. Why do you think it's okay to be dishonest? Maybe we should forget the Satan's binding topic and talk instead about your lac of repentance in relation to your dishonesty and look together at what scripture has to say about that topic?

You actually have... you claimed Hebrews 2:8 by saying this portion is not true.... "But now we see not yet all things put under Him"

That is a lie. Show me where I said that portion is not true. You can't do it because I didn't. What I did do is show what that means and how to reconcile that statement with what it says earlier in the verse, which is "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet" and "he left nothing that is not put under him". Why is it that you don't want to address that part of the verse? Is it your dishonest ways getting in the way again, keeping you from dealing with EVERYTHING that is said in that verse while taking the time to reconcile how it can say "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet" and "But now we see not yet all things put under Him" without causing a contradiction? I have explained my understanding of that and how I believe those statements can be reconciled. Why are you not willing to do that?

You claim the devil is bound up when he is clearly not bound

Jesus said He was. Do you think that He did not bind the strong man (Satan) and spoil his goods and his house (Matt 12:28-29)? Do you think Jesus failed to do what He came to do?

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Did Jesus fail to take the power of death away from the devil? What does this passage say about that?

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

You're not understanding that passages like the ones above relate to the binding of Satan because you are too locked in with your flawed hyperliteral method of interpreting the most highly symbolic book in the Bible.

... which is what Hebrews 2:8 is telling us that Jesus has not assume absolute authority in this world as of yet.

How can that be true when He said this:

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

How can that be true when verses like the following say that God the Father placed all things under His feet long ago?

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

What you fail to understand about what this verse is saying is that God has placed literally all things under Jesus, but the end of time has not yet come, so there are still things that haven't come yet that will also be put under Him when they come to exist. But, right now, there is nothing in existence that is not under His authority or else what it says in Hebrews 2:8 would not be true and what Paul wrote in the following passage would not be true.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Read this passage and then tell me even one thing anywhere in heaven or on earth that is not under Jesus Christ right now. Just one thing. You can't do it. It says explicitly that God the Father "set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come". Why don't you accept that? And it says explicitly that God "hath put all things under his feet". Why don't you accept that? Tell me, how can anything currently in existence not be under His feet when it says that God "hath put all things under his feet"?

You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

LOL. Says the one who is trying to gaslight me with all the lies you're telling me about me, including supposedly claiming that some of God's Word is lie, which I absolutely never said in any way, shape or form. What a hypocrite.

They are being twisted to claim Hebrews 2:8 is not trues when you claim the devil has been bound when Hebrews 2:8 clearly tells Jesus has not assumed absolute authority over this world as of yet.

When did I say Hebrews 2:8 is not true? I explained my understanding of the WHOLE verse. When do you plan on doing so? Are you afraid to address what is said in the verse before the last sentence?

I did, and I listened to your claims.... compared them to God's Word and sadly you came up short.

You clearly didn't then because that is not the conclusion you would come to if you did.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So, what God says in His Word stand... what you said had to be discar5ded due to being in conflict with God's Word. Sorry bub, nothing personal you understand

It's nothing personal when you say that I claim that God's word contains lies, which I never did? LOL. Okay, bub.

And then it turns around and says "But now we see not yet all things put under Him"

And? What are you saying? That everything written in the verse up to the point is mistaken and then that statement corrects what was said before it? Or what? Tell me exactly how you interpret all of Hebrews 2:8 if you want to be taken seriously. I can't take your cherry picking of the verse seriously, that's for sure.

That's the part you were claiming is untrue as in... it's a lie someone slipped in to God's Word.

I made no such claim. Show me where I made that claim. You can't do it. Why do you lie like this? Instead, what I did was explain how I undertand that in relation to everything else said in that verse, which you are apparently too afraid to do yourself.

There's more evil now than there was then... primarily because there are so many more people now to bow down to the devil and follow him.

That's not even true. There was so much evil in Noah's day that God destroyed all but 8 people. We might be headed that way, but I hardly think that there's only 8 saved people in the world right now. Also, things were so bad in OT times that Paul described the Gentiles of that time as having no hope and being without God in the world (Ephesians 2:11-13). Is that something that can be said about the past almost 2,000 years? No.

What you don't understand is that some Amills, like myself, believe that Satan's little season has already begun. So, when I talk about Satan's binding, I'm not even talking about his status right now, but what his status was while the gospel was being preached throughout the world and a multitude of people were being saved in the world in the past almost 2,000 years. Which is far more people than were saved in OT times and the reason for that is because of Satan's binding and Satan having the power of death taken away from him so that many of those who were formerly in slavery to the fear of death, as was the case for a vast majority in OT times, could be set free (Hebrews 2:14-15).

You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

Says the Gaslighting King himself.

You espouse the unbiblical claim that satan has been bound when he clearly has not... so you obviously need a lot of help.

You need help with your lying problem. You say that I claim that some of God's word contains lies and I never even came close to ever saying such a thing. Why are you okay with lying about me like that? You are clearly the one who needs a lot of help. Lying is a sin. You apparently weren't aware of that. Or you don't care about that? Not sure which.

The sin of claiming parts of God's Word is untrue... and no, I'm not yo buddy.

Show me where I ever claimed that, buddy. You know I didn't claim that and you know that you can't back that up, so you are blatantly lying. You need to stop talking about this topic and do a study about how lying is a sin and how you need to repent of that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

know who's lying? I included other references.

No, you did not. My goodness, you have no conscience at all about your lying. It's stunning. You only referenced 1 Thessalonians 2:18 and no other verse. Go back and look at that post yourself.

Uh huh, and if satan was actually bound as you claim he would have NOT hindered Paul's ministry in any way.

That shows that you don't even understand what I'm claiming because him hindering Paul's ministry temporarily and only in a few places does not take anything away from what I'm claiming. Satan could not keep the gospel from being preached to the known world. No one said it would be easy and I'm not saying he was completely incapacitated, so him partially and temporarily hindering the gospel does not have any effect on my understanding of his binding.

Do better homie! View attachment 59297

Why are you so childish? No interest in being an adult?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Right.... and still, satan and his demons are NOT bound as some falsely espouse.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Another reference for ya proving satan is not bound currently...

I think that you make the "typical" mistake of most non-Amillennialists, who always talk as if Satan was bound for everyone. Or that when God (not Paul) speaks to the Church he is always speaking of the election who cannot fall. Nothing could be further from the truth. He is speaking of the visible Church, within which are both sealed Christians, and pseudo Christians. And the Devil is not bound that he cannot deceive any professing Christian. Just not the election. Deception of pseudo Christians happens everyday.

1st Peter 5:8

• "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

Certainly this is not saying Satan is bound for those who are being deceived by him. Not at all, he is only bound for the sake of the election. A remnant of the external covenant Church. Thus, make your calling and election sure and you will never fall.

Selah!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That wasn't the Lord.

Yeah... it was because scripture does not teach that satan has been bound as of yet... which you falsely espouse

You clearly missed where I encouraged you to be like the Bereans and study scripture for yourself to see what I'm saying is true

I did exactly that... and you cam up short.

I also said you should study it for yourself and let the Holy Spirit confirm it.

I did exactly that... and you cam up short.

Show me where I said that portion is not true.

You said satan is bound... Hebrews 2:8 along with the other references I've posted say he is not bound.

What God says stands... what you said has been discarded.

Do you think that He did not bind the strong man (Satan) and spoil his goods and his house (Matt 12:28-29)?

Well then you must live a life of confusion because the Lord tells us thru the Apostle Peter that the devil is currently walking about seeking whom he may devour.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

That's why you are so confused about all this and are espousing false doctrine on this topic is because... you obviously don't accept the whole counsel of God. Cherry pickers never end up well, so I sure hope you get deliverance from this deception you are peddling

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Did Jesus fail to take the power of death away from the devil? What does this passage say about that?

That's where Hebrews 2:8 comes back in to play.... Jesus has not assumed literal authority over all of the earth as of yet... proven also by 1 Peter 5:8....

Will you continually espouse that satan is NOT walking around seeking whom he may devour as 1 Peter 5:8 tells us and warns us to be sober and vigilant so we are not devoured???

If so then that is claiming that 1 Peter 5:8 is a lie regardless of whether you admit it or not. Ya gotta except the whole counsel of God to get this stuff right man... so hang in there and maybe someday you'll get it.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

And yet.... Hebrews 2:8 clearly tells us Jesus as not assumed full power over this world as of yet.

Watch the evening news and tell me Jesus is in full control over this world with all the wars, murders, rape, etc etc still going on. Reality called and would like to get your attention homie! Wake up!

Says the one who is trying to gaslight me with all the lies you're telling me about me, including supposedly claiming that some of God's Word is lie, which I absolutely never said in any way, shape or form. What a hypocrite.

Hey, you're the only claiming Jesus has take full literal control over this world... even when scripture says he has not as of yet. You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

I explained my understanding of the WHOLE verse.

Which is how we know you espouse false doctrine on this subject... you outed yourself homie!

You clearly didn't then because that is not the conclusion you would come to if you did.

I see so.... one must agree with your take on things in order to be right with the Lord.

Sociopath much?

Show me where I made that claim. You can't do it.

So you deny claiming satan is bound???

There was so much evil in Noah's day that God destroyed all but 8 people.

Uh huh, and Speaking of the end times... the Lord said "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be"Matthew 24:37-39

Reckon Jesus was just joking around when He said this???

Says the Gaslighting King himself.

Well you are giving away gaslighting for free.... you would be so much more fulfilled in your gaslighting career if you went and found some gullible souls who will bow down and let you be their "Teacher" cause we know how you like to recruit people to be your "students" like you tried to con me in to

So it bears repeating.... You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

You need help with your lying problem. You say that I claim that some of God's word contains lies and I never even came close to ever saying such a thing. Why are you okay with lying about me like that? You are clearly the one who needs a lot of help. Lying is a sin. You apparently weren't aware of that. Or you don't care about that? Not sure which.

You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

Show me where I ever claimed that, buddy. You know I didn't claim that and you know that you can't back that up, so you are blatantly lying. You need to stop talking about this topic and do a study about how lying is a sin and how you need to repent of that.

You said satan was bound... God's Word does not actually teach that so.... You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

No, you did not. My goodness, you have no conscience at all about your lying. It's stunning. You only referenced 1 Thessalonians 2:18 and no other verse. Go back and look at that post yourself.

NOW... you are a proven liar and as such I'm not going to be entertaining you and your "spirit guides" any further because below is a list of all the scripture references I have given in this thread which proves you just lied for all the world to see.

Here's a list of all the scrptures I have posted so far in this thread...

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

John 14:30
the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Revelation 20:1–6

1 Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but satan hindered us.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You said satan is bound... Hebrews 2:8 along with the other references I've posted say he is not bound.

What God says stands... what you said has been discarded.

Hebrews 2:8 says that? Where? You mean the verse that you are afraid to address in full? The verse where you completely ignore everything written in it besides the last sentence? That verse?

ell then you must live a life of confusion because the Lord tells us thru the Apostle Peter that the devil is currently walking about seeking whom he may devour.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

I don't claim otherwise. Why do you ignore the verse which follows that one which talks about resisting him and standing firm in the faith? If we do that, he must flee from us (James 4:7). Is that not something you care about? You'd rather come across as if you are saying Satan is all powerful and unstoppable?

That's why you are so confused about all this and are espousing false doctrine on this topic is because... you obviously don't accept the whole counsel of God. Cherry pickers never end up well, so I sure hope you get deliverance from this deception you are peddling

You are clearly the cherry picker here as you will not even address everything written in Hebrews 2:8 and only address the last sentence of the verse. That's cherry picking at its worst because you are cherry picking even within the same verse.

That's where Hebrews 2:8 comes back in to play.... Jesus has not assumed literal authority over all of the earth as of yet

It's funny how you keep mentioning Hebrews 2:8 when you are so obviously afraid to address everything written in the verse.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Tell me, in relation to Jesus, do you believe that God the Father "put all things in subjection under his feet" and "left nothing that is not put under him"? Yes or no? Stop avoiding this part of the verse like a child and address it like an adult. If you want to be taken seriously, that is. If you don't, then keep being cowardly and don't address it. It's your choice.

... proven also by 1 Peter 5:8....

Will you continually espouse that satan is NOT walking around seeking whom he may devour as 1 Peter 5:8 tells us and warns us to be sober and vigilant so we are not devoured???

I never have said that. Do you not tire of misrepresenting what I've said. unlike you, I also look at the verse which follows that one which refers to the authority believer have over Satan, which would not be possible if he was not bound. But, you are lacking the discernment to understand that. It would help if you actually looked at 1 Peter 5:9, though, instead of acting like it doesn't exist and acting as if Satan is all powerful.

Ya gotta except the whole counsel of God to get this stuff right man... so hang in there and maybe someday you'll get it.

That's what I say to you, man. You say something like this while you just blatantly ignore all that is written in verses like Hebrews 2:8 and ignore the verses that come after 1 Peter 5:8. That's what cherry pickers do.

And yet.... Hebrews 2:8 clearly tells us Jesus as not assumed full power over this world as of yet.

It does? Then tell me what you think it means when it says that God the Father "hast put all things in subjection under his feet" and "For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him"? If that isn't full power over this world, then what is? How can He have any more than "ALL things in subjection under his feet"? He said Himself that "ALL power is given unto me in heaven and in earth" (Matthew 28:18). How can He have more than "all power" in heaven and earth?

Watch the evening news and tell me Jesus is in full control over this world with all the wars, murders, rape, etc etc still going on. Reality called and would like to get your attention homie! Wake up!

LOL. You are the one who needs to wake up. You are trying to dictate what it means for Jesus to be King. But, that is not up to you. He is not ever going to be the Dictator that you think He will be. He allows people to make choices, but no one can do anything without His permission. Your understanding of what it means for Him to be King and in control is completely flawed. Do you also think that God has never had full control over the world since Adam and Eve sinned? Can God/Jesus only be in control if everyone is obeying Him?

Hey, you're the only claiming Jesus has take full literal control over this world..

I've never made that claim. Another lie from you. You know what that makes you? That's right. A liar. What I have said is that God the Father put all things under His feet and that He reigns over the world, but that means He has authority over the world regardless of whether people are obeying Him or not. Again, He said Himself that all power was given to Him in heaven and earth (Matthew 28:18)? Do you think He was wrong? It doesn't mean that He takes "full literal control over the world", it means He has authority and power over the world where He can do whatever He wants with the world as He sees fit. It just so happens that allowing people to make choices and allowing evil to be in the world is something He sovereign chose to do because He's not interested in trying to force people to love and obey Him, which is completely understandable since love cannot be forced.

. even when scripture says he has not as of yet. You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

LOL. You're like a broken record. How many times can you say the exact same thing...bub?

Which is how we know you espouse false doctrine on this subject... you outed yourself homie! View attachment 59312

LOL. Okay, homie. You can make claims like this all you want, but you are doing NOTHING to refute anything I'm saying. All you're doing is lying and showing that you are afraid to address challenges to your view. Do you suppose you will ever be brave enough to address everything written in Hebrews 2:8 or should I give up hope on that...homie?

I see so.... one must agree with your take on things in order to be right with the Lord.

That's not what I said. At all. Another lie from you.

So you deny claiming satan is bound???

Obviously, I don't deny that since I've said it many times. You need to take a class on common sense. I have said he is bound many times, but you still ask me this question? What is wrong with you, homie bub?

Uh huh, and Speaking of the end times... the Lord said "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be"Matthew 24:37-39

Reckon Jesus was just joking around when He said this???

No, of course not. Why do you keep asking me dumb questions?

Well you are giving away gaslighting for free.... you would be so much more fulfilled in your gaslighting career if you went and found some gullible souls who will bow down and let you be their "Teacher" cause we know how you like to recruit people to be your "students" like you tried to con me in to

So it bears repeating.... You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

You are the most repetitive person I've ever seen. Get some new material, bub.

You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

You said satan was bound... God's Word does not actually teach that so.... You can't gaslight me bub... go try gaslighting someone else.

LOL. Like a broken record.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

NOW... you are a proven liar and as such I'm not going to be entertaining you and your "spirit guides" any further because below is a list of all the scripture references I have given in this thread which proves you just lied for all the world to see.

I did not lie. You have just once again misunderstood what I was saying. What is wrong with you? Can you not understand anything you read? I specifically referenced that post where you only referenced 1 Thessalonians 2:18 and that is what I was talking about. You were specifically talking about Satan hindering the gospel and referenced that verse. I thought you were saying you referenced more verses in that post in relation to Satan hindering the gospel, but that was the only one. I wasn't talking about the whole thread. Must you misunderstand literally everything? Unbelievable. Ask God for wisdom so you stop misunderstanding everything you read, bub. (James 1:5-7).

 

[TribulationSigns]

Well then you must live a life of confusion because the Lord tells us thru the Apostle Peter that the devil is currently walking about seeking whom he may devour.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

That's why you are so confused about all this and are espousing false doctrine on this topic is because... you obviously don't accept the whole counsel of God. Cherry pickers never end up well, so I sure hope you get deliverance from this deception you are peddling

You are really spiritually deaf and blind to Matt 12:28-29!

Christ did bind Satan so He could spoil (save) HIS PEOPLE from his house. Satan was bound first FOR Christ's Elect only so they won't be deceived unlike the rest of the world where he was still seeking whom he may devour! Selah!

You lack spiritual discernment.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Ask God for wisdom so you stop misunderstanding everything you read, bub. (James 1:5-7).

He does not have the wisdom of Christ. He lacks a teachable spirit.

 

[Jay Ross]

@Davy,

At the end of the sixth age of man's existence, and the beginning of the seventh age, the heavenly hosts are judged in heaven and at the same time the kings of the earth are judged on the earth, and they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their future punishment.

After the Heavenly hosts have been judged the son of man will be given dominion over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.

At this same time the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of Israel upon their children and the children's children will have run to its completion at the end of the six age and God will begin gathering the Israelites to Himself where they are living scattered throughout the whole earth.

It is my understanding that the sixth age will end in around 20 years time.

As such, Isaiah 24:21-22 has not yet happened and as such Satan and his fellow fallen heavenly hosts are not yet bound and imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit.

As such the Thread title that Satan is not bound yet, is true.

Shalom

 

[Rightglory]

Without the work of the cross, there is no binding of satan and the Spirit of Christ is not poured out. For example, the whole purpose of the binding of Satan is the work of the cross. Selah! That "IT" be efficacious! Without one, there can be no other. Even as illustrated in Christ's very own words. Consider wisely the verse that Spiritual Israelitie quoted:

Matthew 12:29

• "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he FIRST bind the strong man? and THEN he will spoil his house."

Clearly, unambiguously, and without any contradiction, Christ is saying that in order to save His people from the nations ruled by Satan, He FIRST had to bind Satan. Destroy his power by His death. Only then could he spoil (seize by right of conquest) those of the nations whom Satan ruled over. It wasn't an option, Satan had to be bound first in order that salvation go to the nations. Get it?! Thus it is impossible to separate the work of the cross from the binding of Satan, and that is why God doesn't! They are inextricably related! The problem (as I see it) is that people do not understand that the destroying of Satan was "NOT" for the world so that there will be no evil in the world. No, Satan is still active in the world. It was for the sake of the chosen/election "of" the world. Thus Satan STILL goes about as a roaring Lion in the world, but his works were destroyed as far as holding the chosen in chains of darkness. That is what was broken by Christ's taking on the flesh, and suffering death. His hold upon us from Adam's fall, so we could then be sealed as the Israel of God. consider God's word very carefully.

Hebrews 2:14-15

• "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
• And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

Again, Clearly, His death Loosed us from the bonds of the Strong Man Satan. Those who were subject to bondage in Satan's prison house are set free by this work of Christ in destroying the Devil's ability to hold them by His death. So by this bonding, God could set us free and seal us in our foreheads to now be "His servants." The true Israel of God.

So once all Elect have been secured (Revelation 7:1-4), the testimony of the Two Witnesses is finished (Rev 11:7-8) and Satan no longer bound and came out of the bottomless pit, not only deceive people again, but also overcome and silence (kill) the Two Witnesses. This is when you will see MORE EVIL in the world today, have you notice? Probably not because if you are busy looking for pretrib rapture, antichrist, 7 years treaty, physical battle of Armageddon and then finally a world peace for 1,000 years with Christ ruling from the Middle Eastern city, you will be greatly disappointed!




But the theology of the kingdom is about the when, how, what, and where of salvation and the Kingdom. It is about what Christ we serve. It is about what is the hope of Israel. It is about the work of Christ. Like you, Judaism is almost identical to Premillennialism as they looked forward to an earthly kingdom, reign, restoration, etc., also. So why were they blinded and the Kingdom representation taken from them if it was all inconsequential? Because they couldn't see the forest for the trees. The kingdom is not of this world as Premillennialists believe! It is SPIRITUAL! And they that worship the Messiah must worship Him in Spirit and Truth, not as some deliverer of National Israel in the Middle East. So again, it's not non-essential, it's crucial to the 1st Resurrection from the dead, the hope of Israel, the New Covenant confirmed/strengthened with Israel, the binding of Satan and why, the millennial reign of The Messiah when he is bound, and the Kingdom of God on earth, and the reason for his loosing.

Excellent explanation.