Where the unbelievers go when they physically die? (An Amillennial Prespective)

[TribulationSigns]

2nd Peter 2:4

• "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

The messengers being reserved or [tereo], means to be observed, and by extension to be guarded or watched over. Much as a sentinel so that they cannot escape, they are cast down to a spiritual hell [tartaroo], meaning a boundless void or abyss where they must remain reserved unto the day they are resurrected from that death to stand before God and be judged. Judgment is not instantly upon death of the Body, it is on the last day. Likewise:

Jude 1:6

• "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The messengers who apostatized or fell away from the faith in leaving their primary habitation are now reserved or kept in spiritual chains in darkness that shall never be removed, to the day of judgment. It's the same as when I spoke about those who die unsaved. They do not immediately go to be judged, they are reserved in the abyss of perpetual darkness until "the last day" when they are resurrected to stand before God and be judged for their sins. i.e., those who believe go to live and reign with the Lord when they leave this body in death, but the unbelievers who die do not live or have conscious existence, they are reserved in this spiritual abyss until the time when the books are opened and they are judged out of it.

Revelation 20:5

• "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

The "rest of the dead" in that verse refers to the unbelievers who are physically dead and were not part of Christ's "First Resurrection" from the dead. We read they didn't live again until the second resurrection. At the same time, those who have part in the first resurrection (being born again) will go to be with the lord when they exit their physical bodies, to live and reign with Him. The "rest" don't live or have conscious existence while in the grave as these believers do, their souls are reserved until the second coming after the millennial reign of Christ, where they are raised from the dead to stand for judgment. That state "not living again" is what is in view here of the messengers who sinned, having been being cast down to hell and darkness and reserved unto the judgment.

So yes, it means that they are kept somewhere (a spiritual abyss, bound in spiritual chains in darkness) until the judgment. Until after the millennial reign of Christ in the church age is over, and they are resurrected to stand for that judgment. Even as it is written:

Revelation 20:13

• "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

 

[grafted branch]

The "rest of the dead" in that verse refers to the unbelievers who are physically dead and were not part of Christ's "First Resurrection" from the dead. We read they didn't live again until the second resurrection. At the same time, those who have part in the first resurrection (being born again) will go to be with the lord when they exit their physical bodies, to live and reign with Him.

In 1 Samuel 28:19 the spirit of Samuel tells Saul tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me.

If your view is correct then we must conclude that Saul was saved, Saul could not be one of the “rest of the dead” because he would be with Samuel after he died.

The messengers who apostatized or fell away from the faith in leaving their primary habitation are now reserved or kept in spiritual chains in darkness that shall never be removed, to the day of judgment. It's the same as when I spoke about those who die unsaved.

In 1 Samuel 10:9-10 God gave him (Saul) another heart, and the Spirit of God came upon him (Saul) and he prophesied among them.

In 1 Samuel 16:14 the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

In 1 Samuel 28:16 the spirit of Samuel tells Saul the LORD is departed from thee, then in verse 19 Samuel tells Saul tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons bewith me.

A question for you, since Saul couldn’t be one of the messengers who apostatized and since he was going to be with Samuel the very next day, in what verse do you see the Lord returning to Saul or what makes you think he was not apostate prior to him committing suicide?

 

[TribulationSigns]

In 1 Samuel 28:19 the spirit of Samuel tells Saul tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me.

If your view is correct then we must conclude that Saul was saved, Saul could not be one of the “rest of the dead” because he would be with Samuel after he died.

So you believe the Witch of Endor really called up the real spirit of Samuel here? I am not surprised if it is the popular view among the Church but they are wrong.

The witch was a necromancer, which is by definition a wicked sorcerer, conjuring up evil spirits masquerading as the departed. No human can call up the actual spirits of anyone who has died!! Witches deal in unclean spirits, demons, evil spirits, not people who have died. Selah!

Psalms 115:17

• "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence."

The dead don't speak, they don't have knowledge of anything so they don't roam the earth in spirit form to be disquieted by withes at their command. The Bible plainly teaches that upon death, the spirits of people either go to LIVE and Reign in the presence of God as all the Elect are, or to be in silence wherein they LIVE NOT AGAIN until their resurrection to stand for judgment as all the unbelievers are.

Ecclesiastes 9:10

• "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

The unsaved dead do NOT live, don't know or do anything, and the saved who die live and reign with Christ eternally. There aren't any other spirits but the evil demonic ones.

You may protest saying that Saul actually "saw" or "heard" Samuel. Actaully, No! The unfaithful Saul saw nothing, but asked the evil medium or witch what she had seen. And the truth is, this wicked necromancer saw only what God wanted her to see in order to prophesy His judgment upon Saul through it. And it wasn't the true spirit Samuel that was disquieted (or made to tremble/be afraid). It was an aberration of Samuel commensurate with the wickedness of the evil of her and Saul's doings (Deuteronomy 18:10-12), which were an abomination to God. Saul perceived or surmised that it was Samuel and spoke as if it was, but that does NOT mean that it was. Samuel was NOT in the ground that he would be brought up nor disquieted by an evil medium of familiar spirits. A medium has absolutely no power to call the spirit of God's elect from their dwelling for any reason. But God frequently uses the abominations of men to bring judgment upon the unfaithful. ...or to bring about good.

Genesis 50:19-20

• "And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
• But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive."

John 18:31-32

• "Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
• That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die."

God often uses evil to bring about His greater good or to bring judgment upon the unfaithful, which is what He did to his unfaithful and disobedient servant Saul. We should remember, it is appointed unto men once to die and then the judgment, not appointed to soul sleep of the spirit world to be disquieted and called up by evil sorceries at all!

SELAH!

 

[grafted branch]

The Bible plainly teaches that upon death, the spirits of people either go to LIVE and Reign in the presence of God as all the Elect are, or to be in silence wherein they LIVE NOT AGAIN until their resurrection to stand for judgment as all the unbelievers are.
Ecclesiastes 9:10

• "Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

In Matthew 17:3 it says And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Should we also conclude that it couldn’t actually have been Moses and Elias but it was some other kind of spirits masquerading as Moses and Elias?

 

[TribulationSigns]

In Matthew 17:3 it says And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Should we also conclude that it couldn’t actually have been Moses and Elias but it was some other kind of spirits masquerading as Moses and Elias?

Because they were with CHRIST! Their souls were always with Christ in heaven after they physically dead. And they appeared with Christ on the mount. Geez! The unbelieving souls did not go anywhere but in silence, in grave or whatever, until the Second Resurrection when Christ returns.

 

[grafted branch]

Because they were with CHRIST! Their souls were always with Christ in heaven after they physically dead. And they appeared with Christ on the mount. Geez! The unbelieving souls did not go anywhere but in silence, in grave or whatever, until the Second Resurrection when Christ returns.

Ok, let’s go back to the spirit of Samuel. Samuel was a saved person, right? And since it was possible for the spirit of a dead believer to appear to other humans, like at the mount of transfiguration, then really the only argument you have for the 1 Samuel 28 spirit not actually being Samuel is that the woman at Endor was a necromancer.

The Bible itself calls the spirit that was brought up Samuel. I trust the Bible that it was the spirit of Samuel. Nowhere does it say it was an evil spirit that was impersonating Samuel, you are speculating by making that assumption.

I think your view about the rest of the dead falls apart unless you force the spirit of Samuel to be an evil spirit impersonating Samuel.

 

[sheeplike]

I asked this question... First what do we talk about? Soul or spirit? What I realized, there are way too many NDE experiences who do not correspond to the Bible. So I do not believe one word - even if some seem correct. But one thing is sure - after the second resurrection, when Satan is released from his prison after 1000 years (with his Angels) and will again mislead the world and many will follow him - eternal dead is waiting for all of them. This includes Satan, Angels who followed him those whose names are not written in the book of life and dead itself. This is quite logic, as only then, WHEN ALL IS PERFECT again, Jesus will hand over the kingdom to his father. As I said - we talk always about us humans - the real war and question was in heaven. And will be solved forever.

I ask myself often when the prison time will be over. Did the first resurrection already took and takes place (sure, - since the death of Jesus). "You will be in paradise with me today...". The idea, that we are punished in a hell is somewhat difficult for me to believe - I mean, we are already imperfect, die for our sins (which we have inherited)... and Jesus said clearly: “I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." Now the word "Gehenna" normally meant just the valley beside Jerusalem, where all was burned: trash, people who died of Leper etc. The only book where Gehenna has a description of a real "hell and punishment in Hell" is in the Book on Hennoch, chapter 21. I think that you simply lose the possibility of life forever. The idea of eternal punishment comes maybe from the fallen angels, which were in prison (those who came to earth before the flood and had intercourse with human women).

Another question is - what is the part that "survives" is it the spirit? Or is it the "soul". Anybody? There are so many texts: Luke 23:46, John 3:6, John 6:63, Act 7:29 etc. Any idea, welcome! But, as long as I believe in Christ and follow James 1: 21-27 - or, better, as Jesus said: Love God with all your Power, Soul and Spirit and your next as yourself" - I am not afraid.

Astonishing is what Paul said: For my people, my Jewish brothers and sisters. I would be willing to be forever cursed—cut off from Christ!—if that would save them. I think, he did not mean that he would be burned in a hell for all times. He was willing to die for his brothers, the Jews. Well - out for today.

 

[ewq1938]

but the unbelievers who die do not live or have conscious existence

This is related to the doctrine of soul sleep. I don't think it's a doctrine belonging to Amill specifically.

 

[TribulationSigns]

This is related to the doctrine of soul sleep. I don't think it's a doctrine belonging to Amill specifically.

The doctrine does not belong to anyone, but the Lord's, according to Scripture. I have provided Scripture to explain this.

 

[ewq1938]

The doctrine does not belong to anyone, but the Lord's, according to Scripture. I have provided Scripture to explain this.

The doctrine has a definition though. It is specifically about when Christ returns in regard to the Millennium. Amill believes Christ returns AFTER the Mill is over.

The doctrine has nothing to do with soul sleep. You are simply a soul sleep type (partial since you don't think the saved are asleep) and an Amill.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Amill believes Christ returns AFTER the Mill is over.

It is true, according to Scripture, which I have explained many times elsewhere.

The doctrine has nothing to do with soul sleep. You are simply a soul sleep type (partial since you don't think the saved are asleep) and an Amill.

All of us have already experienced the first death, which was passed down from Adam and Eve, It is spiritual death upon all mankind. But those who participate in the First Resurrection—being born again in Christ from this spiritual death—are saved and are "made alive". Despite their resurrected souls, they are still stuck within the body of flesh, so when their physical body finally dies before the end of the millennial kingdom, their regenerated souls will simply transfer from Earth to Heaven to be with Christ until the Second Coming. THe transfer is not the resurreciton itself since they already experienced the first resurrection when they were born again, Selah! They ("dead in Christ") will come down with Christ at the Last Trump.

On the other hand, those who do not take part in the First Resurrection (meaning they have never been born again) remain under the first death. If their fleshly bodies die before the Second Coming, their dead souls will sleep or remain silent in the grave, not able to go anywhere, know when, feel anything, etc. until they are resurrected at the Second Coming. This is known as the Second Resurrection, for all the dead who have not experienced the First Resurrection. Those who participate in the Second Resurrection will stand before God for judgment and will be cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the Second Death.

Something goes like this:

First Death: The first death in Adam and Eve passed down to all people. (Spiritual Death)
First Resurrection: The First Resurrection in Christ, wherein those who have part in it shall never die, Acts 26:23. Born again.
Second Resurrection: The general Resurrection of the dead who did not take part in the First Resurrection, (John 5:28). Second Death: Lake of Fire for all without the First Resurrection (ie. Lost/names not found in the Book of Life.)

This fits with the amillennial doctrine well!

Good night!

 

[ewq1938]

All of us have already experienced the first death, which was passed down from Adam and Eve,

It was not passed down. Original sin is a false doctrine.

The bible never says the words "the first death" so we have to reverse engineer what "the second death" is to understand what the first death would be.


Before the second death happens, the unsaved dead will be resurrected back to mortal and physical life. When the bible mentions the second death, it is speaking of a literal death (of body, soul and spirit) with nothing left alive. That means first death is the normal death people experience, which also is a literal death except only the body dies.


The spiritual or figurative death Adam experienced is not related to the first and second deaths (the first physical death and the second physical death) ie: it should not be called the first death because that adds confusion since the first death that a mortal body experiences is not a spiritual death.

1. The first death is death of body ie: when someone dies.

2. The second death is the second time a mortal body dies, the soul and spirit will also die and the fire in the lake will consume all three ie: the entirety of a person.


Spiritual death is a figurative type of death so is not numbered. However this type of death can happen to someone who has not physically died the first death of the body.



First death: human body dies, soul and spirit remain alive.
Second death: human body, soul and spirit die, nothing remains alive.

It is spiritual death upon all mankind. But those who participate in the First Resurrection—being born again in Christ from this spiritual death—are saved and are "made alive".

Wrong again. The first resurrection is the well documented and taught physical resurrection from physical death. The first group to resurrect os the resurrection to life. The second is the resurrection to damnation. BOTH are physical resurrections.


Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life ; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"


Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

First group resurrection: "the just"
Second group resurrection: the "unjust"

Take note that in every passage where the resurrection of the saved and unsaved are mentioned that the saved or just is always mentioned first. That's important because it is they that resurrect first! Scripture never deviates in this order. Revelation, John, Daniel and Acts all say the saved first, then the unsaved in that exact order.

 

[rwb]

In 1 Samuel 28:19 the spirit of Samuel tells Saul tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me.

If your view is correct then we must conclude that Saul was saved, Saul could not be one of the “rest of the dead” because he would be with Samuel after he died.


In 1 Samuel 10:9-10 God gave him (Saul) another heart, and the Spirit of God came upon him (Saul) and he prophesied among them.

In 1 Samuel 16:14 the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

In 1 Samuel 28:16 the spirit of Samuel tells Saul the LORD is departed from thee, then in verse 19 Samuel tells Saul tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons bewith me.

A question for you, since Saul couldn’t be one of the messengers who apostatized and since he was going to be with Samuel the very next day, in what verse do you see the Lord returning to Saul or what makes you think he was not apostate prior to him committing suicide?

Samuel was telling Saul that both he and his sons would physically die the next day. Their physical body, like the body of Samuel would be in the grave. It is only the spirit not our flesh that returns to God after we physically die. The spirit of the unsaved dead shall be in silence and darkness after physical death, but the spirit of those of faith shall continue to live in heaven awaiting a resurrected body of flesh that shall be made new again, immortal & incorruptible, while the body of the unsaved shall be resurrected to life again (last day, seventh trumpet) to be cast into the eternal flames of the lake of fire.

 

[rwb]

In Matthew 17:3 it says And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Should we also conclude that it couldn’t actually have been Moses and Elias but it was some other kind of spirits masquerading as Moses and Elias?

According to the Scripture the disciples saw a "vision" not physically living men.

Matthew 17:9 (KJV) And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

 

[grafted branch]

Samuel was telling Saul that both he and his sons would physically die the next day. Their physical body, like the body of Samuel would be in the grave. It is only the spirit not our flesh that returns to God after we physically die. The spirit of the unsaved dead shall be in silence and darkness after physical death, but the spirit of those of faith shall continue to live in heaven awaiting a resurrected body of flesh that shall be made new again, immortal & incorruptible, while the body of the unsaved shall be resurrected to life again (last day, seventh trumpet) to be cast into the eternal flames of the lake of fire.

Ok, I have no issues with what you’re saying but you would also have to conclude that Saul was a saved person.

In 1 Samuel 28:16 Samuel tells Saul that the LORD is departed from thee. Does Saul live and reign with Christ in Revelation 20?

 

[Hobie]

2nd Peter 2:4

• "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

The messengers being reserved or [tereo], means to be observed, and by extension to be guarded or watched over. Much as a sentinel so that they cannot escape, they are cast down to a spiritual hell [tartaroo], meaning a boundless void or abyss where they must remain reserved unto the day they are resurrected from that death to stand before God and be judged. Judgment is not instantly upon death of the Body, it is on the last day. Likewise:

Jude 1:6

• "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The messengers who apostatized or fell away from the faith in leaving their primary habitation are now reserved or kept in spiritual chains in darkness that shall never be removed, to the day of judgment. It's the same as when I spoke about those who die unsaved. They do not immediately go to be judged, they are reserved in the abyss of perpetual darkness until "the last day" when they are resurrected to stand before God and be judged for their sins. i.e., those who believe go to live and reign with the Lord when they leave this body in death, but the unbelievers who die do not live or have conscious existence, they are reserved in this spiritual abyss until the time when the books are opened and they are judged out of it.

Revelation 20:5

• "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

The "rest of the dead" in that verse refers to the unbelievers who are physically dead and were not part of Christ's "First Resurrection" from the dead. We read they didn't live again until the second resurrection. At the same time, those who have part in the first resurrection (being born again) will go to be with the lord when they exit their physical bodies, to live and reign with Him. The "rest" don't live or have conscious existence while in the grave as these believers do, their souls are reserved until the second coming after the millennial reign of Christ, where they are raised from the dead to stand for judgment. That state "not living again" is what is in view here of the messengers who sinned, having been being cast down to hell and darkness and reserved unto the judgment.

So yes, it means that they are kept somewhere (a spiritual abyss, bound in spiritual chains in darkness) until the judgment. Until after the millennial reign of Christ in the church age is over, and they are resurrected to stand for that judgment. Even as it is written:

Revelation 20:13

• "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

To where all go when they, as the Bible says to dust you shall return. They go to the grave, Sheol, and await the resurrection, only then are they raised out of the grave.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It was not passed down. Original sin is a false doctrine.

The bible never says the words "the first death" so we have to reverse engineer what "the second death" is to understand what the first death would be.


Before the second death happens, the unsaved dead will be resurrected back to mortal and physical life. When the bible mentions the second death, it is speaking of a literal death (of body, soul and spirit) with nothing left alive. That means first death is the normal death people experience, which also is a literal death except only the body dies.


The spiritual or figurative death Adam experienced is not related to the first and second deaths (the first physical death and the second physical death) ie: it should not be called the first death because that adds confusion since the first death that a mortal body experiences is not a spiritual death.

1. The first death is death of body ie: when someone dies.

2. The second death is the second time a mortal body dies, the soul and spirit will also die and the fire in the lake will consume all three ie: the entirety of a person.


Spiritual death is a figurative type of death so is not numbered. However this type of death can happen to someone who has not physically died the first death of the body.



First death: human body dies, soul and spirit remain alive.
Second death: human body, soul and spirit die, nothing remains alive.






Wrong again. The first resurrection is the well documented and taught physical resurrection from physical death. The first group to resurrect os the resurrection to life. The second is the resurrection to damnation. BOTH are physical resurrections.


Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life ; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"


Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

First group resurrection: "the just"
Second group resurrection: the "unjust"

Take note that in every passage where the resurrection of the saved and unsaved are mentioned that the saved or just is always mentioned first. That's important because it is they that resurrect first! Scripture never deviates in this order. Revelation, John, Daniel and Acts all say the saved first, then the unsaved in that exact order.

You're not digging deep enough for the truth here. Jesus said that those who believe in Him will be resurrected on the last day (John 6:40), so why do you have unbelievers being resurrected 1,000+ years after the last day? In your doctrine the last day is not actually the last day, but in Amil it is.

 

[Hobie]

You're not digging deep enough for the truth here. Jesus said that those who believe in Him will be resurrected on the last day (John 6:40), so why do you have unbelievers being resurrected 1,000+ years after the last day? In your doctrine the last day is not actually the last day, but in Amil it is.

Because we, the saints need to see that God is just before He destroys the wicked in the lake of fire. The saints will reign in heaven during the thousand years and go over the books to see why their friends or family or pastor didn't make it, and Gods justice is vindicated before the whole universe.

 

[TribulationSigns]

To where all go when they, as the Bible says to dust you shall return.

Our physical bodies shall return to dust. Not our souls.

They go to the grave, Sheol, and await the resurrection, only then are they raised out of the grave.

You misunderstand here. For example, you quoted God's Word here:

2Pe 2:4
(4) For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

First, I hope you didn't think God is talking about throwing some celestial beings (ie. so-called angels) into some kind of doghouse awaiting until the Judgment Day. No, God is talking about the MESSENGERS, which are HUMAN messengers.

Now, the messengers being reserved or [tereo], means to be observed, and by extension to be guarded or watched over. Much as a sentinel so that they cannot escape. The UNSAVED LOST are cast down to a spiritual hell [tartaroo], meaning a boundless void or abyss where they must remain reserved unto the day they are resurrected from that death to stand before God and be judged. Judgment is not instantly upon death of the Body, it is on the last day when Christ returns.

Likewise:

Jude 1:6

• "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The human messengers who apostatized or fell away from the faith in leaving their primary habitation are now reserved or kept in spiritual chains in darkness that shall never be removed, to the day of judgment. It's the same as when I spoke about those who die unsaved. They do not immediately go to be judged, they are reserved in the abyss of perpetual darkness until "the last day" when they are resurrected to stand before God and be judged for their sins. For example, look in Revelation 20, those who believe and took part of the FIRST RESURRECTION in Christ, go to live and reign with the Lord when they leave this body in death, but the unbelievers (the rest of the dead who have not take part of the First Resurrection) who die do not live or have conscious existence, they are reserved in this spiritual abyss until the time when the books are opened and they are judged out of it. Selah!

Revelation 20:5

• "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

The "rest of the dead" in that verse refers to the unbelievers who are dead and were not part of Christ's "First Resurrection" from the dead (ie. being born again or made alive). We read they didn't live again until the second resurrection. While those who have part in the first resurrection go to be with the lord when they exit their physical bodies, to live and reign with Him. The "rest" don't live or have conscious existence as these believers do, they are reserved until the second coming after the millennial reign of Christ, where they are raised from the dead to stand for judgment. That state "not living again" is what is in view here of the messengers who sinned, having been being cast down to hell and darkness and reserved unto the judgment.

So yes, it means that they are kept somewhere (a spiritual abyss, bound in spiritual chains in darkness) until the judgment. Until after the millennial reign of Christ in the church age is over, and they are resurrected to stand for that judgment. Even as it is written:

Revelation 20:13

• "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

Selah!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Because we, the saints need to see that God is just before He destroys the wicked in the lake of fire.

Don't you already know that God is just? Where is this concept that you're talking about taught in scripture?

The saints will reign in heaven during the thousand years and go over the books to see why their friends or family or pastor didn't make it, and Gods justice is vindicated before the whole universe.

Total nonsense. This is not taught anywhere in scripture. Are you a Seventh-Day Adventist?