Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[Hepzibah]

How would you know that ...could you point me to the scripture that revealed that truth...that’s if it is Gods truth..thanks.

I noticed he did say to his disciples something about touching him etc...weren’t they scared when they saw him after his resurrection?

They must have been petrified. I don't know perhaps His bodily form was unstable for a while.

According to the New Testament writing, Jesus was firstborn from the dead, ushering in the Kingdom of God. He appeared to his disciples, calling the apostles to the Great Commission of forgiving sin and baptizing repenters, and ascended to Heaven

He was risen to life as we are when we are born again.

 

[Ritajanice]

I guess God is revealing it to my spirit eh Rita. Not everything is written down but we can use our minds to work somethings out that are implied. We are given the framework and having spiritual minds can discern things not specified like for example, how a man knows he is called to the ministry. He cannot give you personal scrips.

However I am open to be proven wrong.

I wouldn’t trust what is witnessed to my spirit, unless I check it out with scripture..
But, I do believe the Spirit can show his love to others when we’re out shopping etc...I always meet lonely people where I live, you get to know them....and they love to chat...God wants us to take the time to be loving, kind and interested in people, having a chat with a lonely person can make their day @Hepzibah .
You may be right...I understand if someone is called to ministry..or in my case to represent Jesus...not that I always do a great job of that...I’m called to proclaim that God is a mighty living Spirit, that we are also Born Again of His Living seed, the Holy Spirit...that the rebirth isn’t doctrine..it’s a Living spirit birth..after all we are going through the sanctification process..so no way will we ever represent God The way his Son did...

We are being conformed into Jesus image...that doesn’t happen overnight....oh well...just my opinion.

 

[Rich R]

Rich, I need to correct something that you've stated above.
Others are reading along and I like to be clear.

I DID NOT SAY that my time here is a "waste of time".
I SAID.
"I don't have much time".

Please note that there's a huge difference between the statement I made and how YOU interpreted it.

If I thought I was wasting my time here,,,,I would not be here.

I just don't have A LOT OF TIME to be able to spend here.

Thanks.

I understand.

 

[Ritajanice]

They must have been petrified. I don't know perhaps His bodily form was unstable for a while.

No idea.what his body must have looked like...sometimes I wish I’d been there with them.

He was risen to life as we are when we are born again.

My spirit is already Alive in Christ..it’s Born Again.....it’s my glorified body I won’t have, not until I die and when he returns.i believe...when I die, my spirit will go straight back to God.....

 

[Rich R]

I am not sure I would go to any Catholic Church or school for much truth.

Nice try

Us 48

12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The Lord loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
16 “Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord God and His Spirit
Have sent Me.”

Trinity in the OT. No getting away from t his

Sure there is. It says nothing about a trinity. Just because it mentions three individuals doesn't make them one, a godhead, a substance, or whatever. Would you suggest that Daniel 2:49 makes Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego somehow one, a trinity? I assume not, but it is really the same construction. I would guess you think Isaiah is talking about a trinity just because you think it is. There is nothing in the text itself to suggest a trinity. To introduce a trinity is a preconceived idea inserted into an otherwise simple declaration.

 

[Ritajanice]

Sure there is. It says nothing about a trinity. Just because it mentions three individuals doesn't make them one, a godhead, a substance, or whatever. Would you suggest that Daniel 2:49 makes Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego somehow one, a trinity? I assume not, but it is really the same construction. I would guess you think Isaiah is talking about a trinity just because you think it is. There is nothing in the text itself to suggest a trinity. To introduce a trinity is a preconceived idea inserted into an otherwise simple declaration.

Same as when our spirit is Born Again, does it make us fully God..of course it doesn’t...

 

[TheHC]

Wow, there is so much misinformation in your post (which I understand, you’ve been ingrained with) it wouldn’t matter how I addressed the points…
But maybe this:

The Christians that deny Jesus is God ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.

What about those religions that have killed their brothers in warfare? In circumstances where showing love would be the most challenging (and the most important), the majority of christendom has joined the world in its bloodshed! (The very world which Jesus said to be “no part of” John 15:19) Even being the cause at times, as in the 30 years’ war.

A Christian is a “follower of Christ”, and obedient to Jesus’ “commands” one of which is to ‘love their brothers’ (John 13:34,35; 15:12,17).
If trinitarians believe Jesus is their God, how much more so should they obey Him!!

But the record shows they haven’t; not when it was most important, protecting people’s lives.

Matthew 7:21-23…

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful / powerful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

Killing your Christian brother qualifies as iniquity/evil.

A question, though: the ones doing these powerful works… from where are they getting this power? Not from Jesus or His Father!

Revelation 12:9; 1 John 3:10-16

Yes David...who’s to say who is thinking earthly or in truth?

“By their fruits you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:20); see above.

Hope you will have a good day.

 

[TheHC]

The reason the definite article is overlooked is because the "best evidence" that Jesus is God is no evidence at all.

I agree.

 

[Rich R]

Adam Noah and others were not walking around when Jesus was. Note were they born in human flesh after abraham was.

Well, you and I were born in the flesh after Abraham, and yet:

Eph 1:4,

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:​

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Maybe this verse and John 8:58 both mean something in God's foreknowledge? Could be.

 

[Brakelite]

Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God The Creator

Bible verses that indicate He is....

Immediately following the oft-quoted text which says that Christ, the Word, is God, we read that
"all things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made." John 1:3. Comment cannot make this statement any clearer than it is, therefore we pass to the words of
Hebrews 1:1-4, "God...hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."
Still more emphatic than this are the words of the apostle Paul to the Colossians. Speaking of Christ as the One through whom we have redemption, he describes Him as the One
"who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature; for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things were created by him, and for him; and he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossians 1:15-17.
This wonderful text should be carefully studied and often contemplated. It leaves not a thing in the universe that Christ did not create. He made everything in heaven, and everything on earth; He made everything that can be seen, and everything that cannot be seen; the thrones and dominions,and the principalities and the powers in heaven, all depend upon Him for existence. And as He is before all things and their Creator, so by him do all things consist or hold together. This is equivalent to what is said in Hebrews 1:3, that He upholds all things by the word of His power. It was by a word that the heavens were made, and that same word holds them in their place, and preserves them from destruction.
We cannot possibly omit in this connection
Isaiah 40:25, 26: "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. Lift up your eyes on high and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number; he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth."
Or, as the Jewish translation more forcibly renders it,
"from him, who is great in might, and strong in power, not one escapeth."
That Christ is the Holy One who thus calls the host of heaven by name and holds them in their place is evident from other portions of the same chapter. He is the One before whom it was said,
"Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
He is the One who comes with a strong hand, having His reward with Him; the One who, like a shepherd, feeds His flock, carrying the lambs in His bosom.
One more statement concerning Christ as Creator must suffice. It is the testimony of the Father Himself. In the first chapter of Hebrews, we read that God has spoken to us by His Son; that He said of Him,
"Let all the angels of God worship him" that of the angels He saith, "Who maketh his angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire," but that He says to the Son, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Thy kingdom." And God says further, "Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of thine hands." Hebrews 1:8-10.
Here we find the Father addressing the Son as God, and saying to Him, Thou hast laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Thy hands. When the Father Himself gives this honor to the Son, what is man, that he should withhold it? With this we may well leave the direct testimony concerning the Divinity of Christ and the fact that He is the Creator of all things.
A word of caution may be necessary here. Let no one imagine that we would exalt Christ at the expense of the Father or would ignore the Father. That cannot be, for their interests are one. We honor the Father in honoring the Son. We are mindful of Paul's words, that
"to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" (1 Corinthians 8:6); just as we have already quoted, that it was by Him that God made the worlds. All things proceed ultimately from God, the Father; even Christ Himself proceeded and came forth from the Father, but it has pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell, and that He should be the direct, immediate Agent in every act of creation.
When you set Christ's status in its right setting... equality with the Father in all things except rank... then you may better appreciate His power to redeem.

 

[Brakelite]

On that point I was just pointing out that He was before the creation of the world. (And to my understanding that speaks of eternity.)

I agree with the first part of the sentence above, but would qualify eternity by agreeing with Hepzibah on his point that the Son came forth from the Father in eternity, but not necessarily from all eternity, as that of necessity denies His true Sonship.

 

[Brakelite]

There there is no evidence whatsoever because converse statements are not true. Yes, all squares are rectangles but all rectangles are NOT squares.

"Son of Man" and "Son of God" are titles, not statements of biology. Your claim is analogous to Floyd Mayweather Jr is the best ever because he says so. Worse, because you say so.

There is overwhelming evidence in Scripture showing that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. It would be far too much to comment upon in detail here. Suffice it to say that certain of the Jews regarded His claim as blasphemous (Mark 14:60-65 John 10:36). They said He was claiming to be God (John 5:18, 10:3033). It was this claim of Sonship that He was challenged with at His trial (Matthew 26:63, Luke 22:70). The Jews said His claims made Him worthy of death (Mark 14:64, John 19:7, see also John 8:56-59). Jesus was mocked for claiming to be the Son of God (Matthew 27:40-43). It was on this point of Sonship with God that Satan challenged Christ in the wilderness (Matthew 4:3-6, Luke 4:3-9). Peter, when confessing Christ to be “the Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:16), was told by Jesus that it had not been “flesh and blood” that had revealed this to him but His Father in Heaven (Matthew 16:17). Jesus said very clearly that He was the Son of God (Matthew 16:16-17, John 3:16, 5:25-26, 9:35, 10:36, 11:4, 19:7). At His trial he claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:70-71). It was this claim that brought about the sentence of death against Him (Mark 14:64, John 19:7).

The demons also addressed Jesus as the Son of God (Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7, Luke 4:41). The man in the tombs possessed of a devil also called Christ the Son of God (Luke 8:27-29). The Roman centurion said he believed that Christ was the Son of God (Mark 15:39). The disciples confessed Christ to be the Son of God (Matthew 14:33, 16:16, John 1:49, 11:27). Philip (the evangelist) explained to the Ethiopian eunuch that Christ was the Son of God (Acts 8:37). The first thing Paul taught after his 'blindness' was that Christ is the Son of God (Acts 9:20). Paul’s continuing theme was that God had sent His Son into the world to die (Romans 1:4, 8:3, 32, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Ephesians 4:13 etc.). Not surprisingly, John's little letters, as does the book of Hebrews, constantly refer to Christ as the Son of God (1 John 3:8, 4:15, 5:5, 5:10, 5:12-13, 5:20, Hebrews 4:14, 6:6, 7:3, 10:29). That Christ is the Son of God was also the testimony of John the Baptist (John 1:32-34) – and so the list goes on. Some say that Christ is a son only because of the virgin birth at Bethlehem, but if this were true, then John, when writing his Gospel (to show that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God), made a serious mistake. This is because he did not even mention the birth of Jesus or the events of Bethlehem. The only thing in this respect he did say was that the Word was made flesh (John 1:14). This must be the briefest of references to Christ’s incarnation that it is possible to make. If John had wanted to show that the only reason why Christ was called the Son of God was because of the virgin birth then surely he would have at least mentioned where the angel Gabriel visited Mary saying that the child she was going to bear would be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35). As it was he did not even mention it. The prime reason therefore for Christ being called the Son of God cannot be His birth at Bethlehem. There must be another reason. The “signs” that John gave were signs of Christ’s divinity. Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit he was led of God to show that Christ was the divine Son of God. This can clearly be seen in his opening words: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1 In order to fulfil the purpose in writing his Gospel (that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God), the very first thing that the Holy Spirit led John to write was that Christ, in His pre-existence, “was God”. From the outset therefore, John was saying to his readers that there are two divine personages who are both rightly termed God (Gr. Theos). This was the opening thrust of his Gospel. John then proceeded to reinforce his opening words. He did this by saying that all things were made by the Word and without him was not any thing made that was made (John 1:3). Christ therefore, says John, is our Creator. This is the highest possible claim to divinity. Only divinity is not created.

 

[Wrangler]

There is overwhelming evidence in Scripture showing that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God.

Not one single verse states this! You keep confusing extreme eisegesis with objective facts.

 

[Wrangler]

@Brakelite can you answer these questions?

What do you make of this verse, There is one God, the Father?

Wrangler said:
The #1 question for trinitarians to answer is why do they treat this dogma as if it is the central message of Scripture that one's salvation depends on it when not only is absent but contradicts Scripture?

 

[Brakelite]

Not one single verse states this! You keep confusing extreme eisegesis with objective facts.

Extreme eisegesis?

"Who do you say I am?"

“16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. ”
Matthew 16:16-18 KJV

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Did Jesus agree with Peter, or did He correct him and rebuke him for his extreme eisegesis?

Who is Jesus talking about here... the term Son in these scriptures is not a title.

“16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. ”
John 3:16-18 KJV

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“25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. ”
John 5:25-27 KJV

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“34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out. 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. ”
John 9:34-38 KJV

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“Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? ”
John 10:36 KJV

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“When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. ”
John 11:4 KJV

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“The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. ”
John 19:7 KJV

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The Jews weren't talking about a title or a metaphorical application.... they themselves considered themselves children of God. They totally knew who Jesus was claiming to be, because they wanted to kill Him for blasphemy.

I am dumbfounded at your blindness and stubborn refusal to recognise what is written, and claiming I'm making it up.

 

[Wrangler]

Extreme eisegesis?

"Who do you say I am?"

Yes, extreme eisegesis. You claim Jesus said he was God but all you come back with is him asking a question while denying he actually said the father is the only true God - the EXACT opposite of your claim.

 

[Brakelite]

What do you make of this verse, There is one God, the Father?

Wrangler said:
The #1 question for trinitarians to answer is why do they treat this dogma as if it is the central message of Scripture that one's salvation depends on it when not only is absent but contradicts Scripture?

I'm not a Trinitarian, so I don't look at this from their perspective.
The Greek of the New Testament was written in what we refer to today as uppercase letters (uncials). It had no spaces between the words and had no punctuation – at least not as we know it today in English. This means that where the comma is used, if it is used at all, is something of an arbitrary choice on the part of those translating the Greek into English. In other words, those translating this verse will insert punctuation where they believe it best suits the Greek language according to their understanding of it. Originally therefore, Paul could have been saying “But to us there is but one God the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by him.” This would simply be saying there is only one God the Father and there is only one Lord Jesus Christ. This is just a basic Bible fact. It is much the same as how Paul opened all of his epistles – including the one under consideration here (1 Corinthians). “Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Corinthians 1:3
It could be very well like the misplaced comma in
“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. ”
Luke 23:43 KJV
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We know full well that Jesus did not go to paradise that day. So it should read, " I say unto thee today, Thou shalt be with Me in paradise".
Even if it is accepted that the KJV is grammatically correct (all the commas in the correct place etc.), there is still no need to understand Paul as saying that only the Father is God or only the Father should be referred to as God. It can still be taken as saying there is one God the Father of whom are all things and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things. This I believe is how to best understand this verse. It then falls into line with Scripture as a whole. In particular this is with John 1:1-3.
There is another thought worth noting. If this text is saying that the only person who is actually God (or can be called God) is God the Father (because Paul said "there is but one God, the Father”) then by the same reasoning, because Paul said there is “one Lord Jesus”, are we precluding God the Father from being Lord (or from being called Lord)? This, in the light of Scripture, would be nonsensical. In this same text (1 Corinthians 8:4-6), the apostle is also saying that in the creation of all things seen and unseen, Christ was a co-worker with God. To the believers at Colossae he also wrote “Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Colossians 1:12-17 The Bible is very clear that it is God who created all things (Genesis 1:1). Christ is the One to whom God said “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” (Genesis 1:26). The entirety of creation came into existence by (through) the Son. There was nothing made that was not made by Him (John 1:3, Hebrews 1:2, 10). We are told here, “he is before all things”. So in this text (1 Corinthians 8:4-6) Paul was certainly not denying that Christ was God. That would be reading something into his words that he did not even imply. Paul’s words, like everyone else’s words, must first be understood in their immediate context. As noted previously, he was not making a detailed theological statement concerning the Godhead. If this had been his intention then he may have phrased his words somewhat differently. They would certainly have been in keeping with what God later led John to write “and the Word was God” (John 1:1). John specifically wrote those words in defence of the Christian faith. Paul was writing with respect to eating food offered to the multiplicity of gods worshipped by those of Corinth.
It was also Paul who wrote to his young friend Timothy saying “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; “1 Timothy 2:5 When it comes to defining between divine personalities, God is the Father whilst Christ is the Son of God. In individual personality therefore, Christ is not God. Here Paul was making a simple statement of fact. He is saying that there is only one mediator between God (the Father) and mankind. This he says is the man Christ Jesus. He is not saying that the pre-existent Christ was not God. Again this would be reading something into his words that is not there. This having been said: the man Jesus was never the God Almighty. At Bethlehem he was a new creation. The human person of Jesus had not previously existed yet He was God manifest in the flesh. As Matthew wrote “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.” Matthew 1:23 Perhaps this one verse sums up all that has been said above. Christ is indeed “God with us”.

 

[Brakelite]

Yes, extreme eisegesis. You claim Jesus said he was God but all you come back with is him asking a question while denying he actually said the father is the only true God - the EXACT opposite of your claim.

We know that Christ came in person to reveal God to the world. God is a person, and Christ is a person. Christ is spoken of in the Word as “the brightness of His Father’s glory, and the express image of His person. Although Christ is God, we need to, when speaking of personalities, clearly distinguish between Him and God the Father. They are not the one and the same person. The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. Notice here who is said to be “God in infinity” It is Christ Himself. Infinity means endlessness, eternity, absence of end, more beyond etc. This is why Christ is God in the person of the Son. In infinity He is God. He is not though, as a begotten Son, God in personality. This is in keeping with where Jesus said to His Father “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
From eternity there would have been a complete unity between the Father and the Son. They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet one in spirit, and heart, and character. There is a difference between the Father and the Son. They are not exactly the same. One difference is that the Father is unbegotten whilst the Son is begotten. “Yet have I set my King upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.” The Father in heaven has a voice and person which Christ expressed.”
In the person of His only begotten Son, God has expressed His “voice” and His “person”. This He has done in both Old and New Testament times (1 Peter 1:911, Hebrews 1:1).
Who is Christ?—He is the only begotten Son of the living God. He is to the Father as a word that expresses the thought,—as a thought made audible. Christ is the word of God. And as the only begotten Son, Christ therefore was, and is, God manifest in the flesh, for it pleased the Father that in Him should dwell all the fullness of the Godhead...or deity...or divine nature .

 

[TheHC]

“Son of God”, is nowhere near the same as God the Son.

What does “of” mean?

of
/ˈʌv/ /əv/ Brit /ˈɒv/ /əv/ /ə/
preposition

1
: belonging to, relating to, or connected with (someone or something.

2
— used to indicate that someone or something belongs to a group of people or things.

Jesus “belongs” to God. Just as a son belongs to his father.

Jesus is from God. Just as a son is from his Father.

This in no way means Jesus is God!

Adam is called “son of God.” (Luke 3:38) Angels are called “sons of God.” —Job 38:7.

And Jesus is unique among them, being Jehovah God’s “firstborn” (Colossians 1:15) and “only-begotten” (John 3:16). And due to His faithfulness to death, He was “exalted” by God, his Father. — Philippians 2:9.

But to go further and ascribe Godship to Jesus, is going “beyond what is written.” — 1 Corinthians 4:6.

Jesus is our Exemplar.
So, who did Jesus worship?
His Father (John 20:17), whose name is Yahweh (Jehovah in English, Psalm 83:18).

Speaking for myself, I’ll stick with that.

 

[TheHC]

How can a perfect divine being, God the Father, beget a Son that is of a different nature...or 'gene'...or kind to the Father?

You forgot about Adam:

“…Adam, son of God.” Luke 3:8

Father means “one who gives origin to; a generator.”