But El and Elin seem to be the Aramaic syntax equivalent. The NT uses Hebrew Aramaic grammar rather than the later Rabbinical.
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Aramaic doesn’t contradict Hebrew. Yahweh is the God (singular) of Israel; not the gods (plural) of Israel.
@David in NJ (or anyone else for that matter) can insist that it is plural but the refutation of that assertion is insisting that he render it plural in English. He refuses to do it. The jig is up the instant that he does.
As long as he insists that it is plural I‘ll insist that he translate it as plural in English. When he doesn’t I’ll point it out to him and to our readers.
Yes, but there are differences, and it is the form of Hebrew used in the New Testament.
The New Testament is written in Greek. “God,“ whether written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, or any other language we might want to consider, is always singular.
When I was a college student our Hebrew language professor told us that we could have a ministry teaching people the meaning of elohim. It’s a common word, one of the most common in the Hebrew Bible. I laughed at the time, but I’ll be dog gone if he hasn’t had the last laugh. I write on the subject frequently. Much more frequently than I ever imagined I would when I was a student.
God. Singular; not plural. Gods. Plural; not singular.
The prophesied event happened, in the first century.
Blessed is he who comes in the name of Yahweh.
Blessed is Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, the Son of God.
The heavily biased (in favor of the Trinity) NIV Study Bible note on Genesis 1:26 -
“God speaks as the Creator-King, announcing his crowning work to the members of his heavenly court (see 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8; see also 1 Ki 22:19-23; Job 15:8; Jer 23:18.)”
Not three deity persons talking to himself (or is it themselves?) but the Father (see the Apostles’ Creed) announcing his crowning work to the members of his (not their) heavenly court.
The note goes on to address likeness and image:
”No distinction should be made between ‘image‘ and ‘likeness,’ which are synonyms in both the OT (5:1; 9:6) and the NT (1 Co 11:7; Col 3:10; Jas 3:9). … ‘Image’ includes such characteristics as ‘righteousness and holiness’ (Eph 4:24) and ‘knowledge’ (Col 3:10). …”
(The NIV Study Bible, 10th Anniversary Edition, p.8)
Man was created by Yahweh and so were the angels. Are the characteristics in the NIV applicable to angels? Who will accuse them of being unrighteous and unholy? Who will say that they aren’t knowledgable about their creator?
There are differences between men and angels but there are also similarities.
God (Heb. elohim, plural in form, singular in meaning; Gk. theos, singular in meaning) speaking to the angels (Heb. elohim, plural in form, plural in meaning) before the creation of man by God is entirely reasonable.
Deity persons talking among himself (themselves?) is a concept unknown to Moses.
“God speaks as the Creator-King, announcing his crowning work to the members of his heavenly court (see 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8; see also 1 Ki 22:19-23; Job 15:8; Jer 23:18.)”
Not three deity persons talking to himself (or is it themselves?) but the Father (see the Apostles’ Creed) announcing his crowning work to the members of his (not their) heavenly court.
The note goes on to address likeness and image:
”No distinction should be made between ‘image‘ and ‘likeness,’ which are synonyms in both the OT (5:1; 9:6) and the NT (1 Co 11:7; Col 3:10; Jas 3:9). … ‘Image’ includes such characteristics as ‘righteousness and holiness’ (Eph 4:24) and ‘knowledge’ (Col 3:10). …”
(The NIV Study Bible, 10th Anniversary Edition, p.8)
Man was created by Yahweh and so were the angels. Are the characteristics in the NIV applicable to angels? Who will accuse them of being unrighteous and unholy? Who will say that they aren’t knowledgable about their creator?
There are differences between men and angels but there are also similarities.
God (Heb. elohim, plural in form, singular in meaning; Gk. theos, singular in meaning) speaking to the angels (Heb. elohim, plural in form, plural in meaning) before the creation of man by God is entirely reasonable.
Deity persons talking among himself (themselves?) is a concept unknown to Moses.
Himself, singular. Themselves, plural.
“God themselves” -> 0 occurrences in scripture
“God himself” -> 96 occurences in scripture (NASB)
www.biblegateway.com
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a single self in scripture. A single self is one person.
“God themselves” -> 0 occurrences in scripture
“God himself” -> 96 occurences in scripture (NASB)
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: God himself
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a single self in scripture. A single self is one person.
”Jesus himself” - Jesus, a single soul / person.
“Jesus themselves” in scripture -> I didn’t bother searching -> 0 occurrences in scripture.
”Jesus himself” -> 39 occurrences, all in the New Testament (NASB)
www.biblegateway.com
“The Father himself” - Yahweh, the Messiah’s God and Father, a single soul / person.
”The Father himself” -> 21 occurrences in scripture (NASB)
www.biblegateway.com
“Jesus themselves” in scripture -> I didn’t bother searching -> 0 occurrences in scripture.
”Jesus himself” -> 39 occurrences, all in the New Testament (NASB)
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: Jesus himself
“The Father himself” - Yahweh, the Messiah’s God and Father, a single soul / person.
”The Father himself” -> 21 occurrences in scripture (NASB)
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: The Father himself
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Shema Yisrael YHWH Eloheinu YHWH Echad.
The insertion of “our” in your mixed English / Hebrew translation is superfluous.
This is the creed of Judaism and the Messiah’s creed.
YHWH is the God and Father - a single self / person - of the Messiah and his disciples.
“In the beginning God ( Heb. elohim, singular in meaning; Gk. theos, singular in meaning; Eng. God, singular in meaning) created the heavens and the earth“ (Genesis 1:1).
“God, the Father Almighty” is the creator of the heavens and the earth (Apostles’ Creed).
David in NJ
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the Word that was God in the beginning is YHWH
the prophet Isaiah validates and is CONFIRMED in the Gospel
The word (logos = dabar) that was in the beginning with YHWH, the Messiah’s God and Father.
Isaiah is a Jewish monotheist. His theology isn’t yours, nor is it the theology of the trinitarians whom you mock.
David in NJ
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YHWH was in the beginning with His FATHER
OT = Elohim is PLURAL = FATHER WORD/LORD HOLY SPIRIT
*** NOTICE ***
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
one God and Father of all, = 3
NT = Elohim is PLURAL = FATHER WORD/LORD HOLY SPIRIT
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There is only one YHWH. Jesus is the miraculously begotten Son of YHWH.
Elohim plural = gods.
When elohim is plural the subject is a group of pagan deities, a group of angels, or a group of human beings.
Notice: Elohim is plural = gods, not the Messiah’s God.
You’re neither a Jewish monotheist nor a trinitarian. You’re a tritheist.
The trinitarian scholar acknowledges that Jesus wasn’t and isn’t Yahweh.
One day you will too @David in NJ. One day everyone will.
“A declaration of Yahweh to my lord …” (Psalm 110:1, LEB)
”A declaration of Yahweh to my Yahweh …” -> an intentional mistranslation of Psalm 110:1.
Yahweh isn’t speaking to another Yahweh. Yahweh is speaking in the prophetic oracle to the here unnamed Messiah. (The Messiah is explicitly identified in the New Testament - Jesus of Nazareth.)
”A declaration of Yahweh to my Yahweh …” -> an intentional mistranslation of Psalm 110:1.
Yahweh isn’t speaking to another Yahweh. Yahweh is speaking in the prophetic oracle to the here unnamed Messiah. (The Messiah is explicitly identified in the New Testament - Jesus of Nazareth.)
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Elohim Abba, Yahweh/Lord and the Holy Spirit is a triad.
There is only one Yahweh in scripture = One Spirit, One LORD Jesus Christ and One God and FATHER
There is no God besides YHWH. YHWH is the God of Israel, the God and Father of Jesus of Nazareth.
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”
(John 3:16, NASB)
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