Critical thinking and education is linked to loss of faith

[David in NJ]

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1).

Who is this God who in the beginning created the heavens and the earth?

Whoever it is, there is no God besides him.

I grew up in a church (Southern Baptist) that was non-creedal. The first creed that I learned about, and the first creed that I ever recited (when briefly attending a United Methodist Church in the early 90’s) was the Apostles’ Creed

”I believe in God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth;”

(Traditional Version)

”I believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth.”

(Ecumenical Version)

Apostles' Creed | UMC.org

The affirmation of faith most widely used by United Methodists.

www.umc.org

The elohim who created the heaven and the earth is the Father Almighty, the Messiah’s elohim and Father, Yahweh.

He did it alone, by himself (Isaiah 44:24).

In the beginning Elohim(PLURAL) created

Elohim(PLURAL) said, let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness = 3

 

[David in NJ]

The Messiah isn’t stumped and elohim is a simple concept.



It‘s narrative like that which keeps the trinitarians from figuring you out.

TRUTH that came from the Mouth of God, His SON and the HOLY SPIRIT = THREE

 

[David in NJ]

The Messiah isn’t stumped and elohim is a simple concept.



It‘s narrative like that which keeps the trinitarians from figuring you out.

You are MISSING OUT on the TRUTH here that is THREE

Look very closely until you are able to SEE the THREE

Prayer is required to SEE
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Which Elohim does Genesis, Exodus, the OT prophets, the Gospel, the Apostles and Revelation DECLARE

Here is a Guaranteed TRUTH: Isaiah 40 verse 3

A voice of one calling:

“Prepare the way for the YHWH in the wilderness;

make a straight highway for our Elohenu(Plural) in the desert.

Every valley shall be lifted up,

and every mountain and hill made low;

the uneven ground will become smooth,

and the rugged land a plain.

And the glory of the YHWH will be revealed,

and all humanity together will see it.”

@Johann, please take a LOOK n SEE

 

[Matthias]

In the beginning Elohim(PLURAL) created

Elohim(PLURAL) said, let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness = 3

Elohim is singular in meaning, not plural in meaning. This is a point which should trip you up with the trinitarians.

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I’m currently reading Ben Carson’s book, Created Equal. He writes in p. 30 -

“Another type of Black student that I had not encountered previously was represented by a young man we will call Andy.”

 

[David in NJ]

Elohim is singular in meaning, not plural in meaning. This is a point which should trip you up with the trinitarians.

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I’m currently reading Ben Carson’s book, Created Equal. He writes in p. 30 -

“Another type of Black student that I had not encountered previously was represented by a young man we will call Andy.”

Elohim is singular, not in meaning but in TRUTH = kapish!!!

Hear O Israel , YHWH our Elohenu YHWH Echad

SAME when JESUS said: I and My FATHER are ONE

 

[Matthias]

You are MISSING OUT on the TRUTH here that is THREE

You’ve decided that there are gods (elohim, plural) beside the Messiah’s God (elohim, singular). I’ve decided that there is no God besides the Messiah’s.

Look very closely until you are able to SEE the THREE

Prayer is required to SEE

All that is required is that we listen to, believe and obey the Messiah. He has told us explicitly in scripture who his God (elohim, singular) and the God (elohim) of his disciples is.

That persuades me.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Which Elohim does Genesis, Exodus, the OT prophets, the Gospel, the Apostles and Revelation DECLARE

Here is a Guaranteed TRUTH: Isaiah 40 verse 3

A voice of one calling:

“Prepare the way for the YHWH in the wilderness;

make a straight highway for our Elohenu(Plural) in the desert.

Every valley shall be lifted up,

and every mountain and hill made low;

the uneven ground will become smooth,

and the rugged land a plain.

And the glory of the YHWH will be revealed,

and all humanity together will see it.”

 

[Matthias]

Elohim is singular, not in meaning but in TRUTH = kapish!!!

Elohim is singular in meaning, not plural in meaning, when used to describe the Messiah’s God. That is the truth.

Hear O Israel , YHWH our Elohenu YHWH Echad

That’s the creed of Jewish monotheism, the creed which the Messiah made his own. It is also my creed.

SAME when JESUS said: I and My FATHER are ONE

Jesus and his God (elohim, singular) and Father are one in will and in purpose.

 

[Matthias]

You are MISSING OUT on the TRUTH here that is THREE

Look very closely until you are able to SEE the THREE

Prayer is required to SEE
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Which Elohim does Genesis, Exodus, the OT prophets, the Gospel, the Apostles and Revelation DECLARE

Here is a Guaranteed TRUTH: Isaiah 40 verse 3

A voice of one calling:

“Prepare the way for the YHWH in the wilderness;

make a straight highway for our Elohenu(Plural) in the desert.

Every valley shall be lifted up,

and every mountain and hill made low;

the uneven ground will become smooth,

and the rugged land a plain.

And the glory of the YHWH will be revealed,

and all humanity together will see it.”

@Johann, please take a LOOK n SEE

You aren’t a trinitarian. He thinks you are a trinitarian. Will you tell him the truth when he looks?

I don’t know if you will or not but you should. An honest man would.

 

[David in NJ]

You’ve decided that there are gods (elohim, plural) beside the Messiah’s God (elohim, singular). I’ve decided that there is no God besides the Messiah’s.



All that is required is that we listen to, believe and obey the Messiah. He has told us explicitly in scripture who his God (elohim, singular) and the God (elohim) of his disciples is.

That persuades me.

You’ve decided that there are gods

FALSE

Elohim decided to communicate to us that THEY are THREE = Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness

All that is required is that we listen to, believe and obey the Messiah

100% TRUTH = are you going to do just as you said???

He has told us explicitly in scripture who his God

100% TRUTH = His FATHER is God and the WORD is the same God and the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us = IMMANUEL

I and My FATHER are ONE

 

[David in NJ]

Elohim is singular in meaning, not plural in meaning, when used to describe the Messiah’s God. That is the truth.




That’s the creed of Jewish monotheism, the creed which the Messiah made his own.



Jesus and his God (elohim, singular) and Father are one in will and in purpose.

You doing the proverbial: covering your ears and your eyes and your heart

JESUS warned us of this VOID in the heart and cranium

Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’

Instead of complaining like the montheistic atheists, why don't you REVIEW post 403
For in it is the WAY to Eternal LIFE as revealed in the Gospel

 

[Matthias]

FALSE

You told me yourself that hou aren’t a trinitarian. Right?

You told me yourself that elohim is plural. Right?

Elohim decided to communicate to us that THEY are THREE = Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness

That’s your non-trinitarian interpretation. It’s certainly not the way Moses, a Jewish monotheist, understood it.

100% TRUTH = are you going to do just as you said???

You’ll have be clearer than that.

100% TRUTH = His FATHER is God …

That is 100% truth. Not only that, his Father is my Father, his God is my God.

Neither the Messiah nor I hold hour non-trinitarian theology.

…. and the WORD is the same God …

There is only one God ->the God of Jesus, himself a Jewish monotheist.

… and the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us = IMMANUEL

Jesus is the embodiment of his God’s logos?

I and My FATHER are ONE

That’s 100% truth. Trinitarian scholarship - which told me you don’t follow, right? - understands that Jesus and his God / my God are one in will and purpose. I quote them saying it frequently.

 

[David in NJ]

You told me yourself that hou aren’t a trinitarian. Right?

You told me yourself that elohim is plural. Right?



That’s your non-trinitarian interpretation. It’s certainly not the way Moses, a Jewish monotheist, understood it.



You’ll have be clearer than that.



That is 100% truth. Not only that, his Father is my Father, his God is my God.

Neither the Messiah nor I hold hour non-trinitarian theology.



There is only one God ->the God of Jesus, himself a Jewish monotheist.



Jesus is the embodiment of his God’s logos?




That’s 100% truth. Trinitarian scholarship - which told me you don’t follow, right? - understands that Jesus and his God / my God are one in will and purpose. I quote them saying it frequently.

Post 403

WORD
FAITH
PRAY

 

[Matthias]

You doing the proverbial: covering your ears and your eyes and your heart

No. That’s what the trinitarians are doing. You’ve said you aren’t a trinitarian. They can’t hear you and they can’t see you. As far as they are concerned, you are what you‘ve said you aren’t.

JESUS warned us of this VOID in the heart and cranium

Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’

Yes. Jesus, himself a Jewish monotheist.

Instead of complaining like the montheistic atheists, …

I’ve already dealt with your made up definition.

...why don't you REVIEW post 403
For in it is the WAY to Eternal LIFE as revealed in the Gospel

Interpret it through the prism of Jewish monotheism. It’s easy.

 

[David in NJ]

No. That’s what the trinitarians are doing. You’ve said you aren’t a trinitarian. They can’t hear you and they can’t see you. As far as they are concerned, you are what you‘ve said you aren’t.



Yes. Jesus, himself a Jewish monotheist.



I’ve already dealt with your made up definition.



Interpret it through the prism of Jewish monotheism. It’s easy.

Post 403

Hear the WORD that was God - John 14:1-21
See the Word that was God - John 14:1-21
Pray to the WORD that was God = John 14:1-21

WORD
FAITH
PRAY

 

[Matthias]

Post 403

WORD
FAITH
PRAY

It’s just a matter of time before the trinitarians figure you out. All they have to do is listen to you. You’ve stated publicly on the forum that you aren’t a trinitarian.

You’ve stated publicly on the forum that elohim is plural. English translation makes plain your belief. My only complaint is that you refuse to translate it in English.

 

[Matthias]

Post 403

Hear the WORD that was God - John 14:1-21
See the Word that was God - John 14:1-21
Pray to the WORD that was God = John 14:1-21

WORD
FAITH
PRAY

See above.

 

[David in NJ]

It’s just a matter of time before the trinitarians figure you out. All they have to do is listen to you. You’ve stated publicly on the forum that you aren’t a trinitarian.

You’ve stated publicly on the forum that elohim is plural. English translation makes plain your belief. My only complaint is that you refuse to translate it in English

When you focus on man-made labels you become blind to the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

Be a blessing unto God and read His Word (Post 403) and PRAY for JESUS to open up your understanding.

You said: "All that is required is that we listen to, believe and obey the Messiah"

Now do just as you say and we can talk tomorrow

 

[Matthias]

Elohim is singular, not in meaning but in TRUTH = kapish!!!

Trinitarian scholarship, as I’ve frequently documented, agrees with me on this very simple point.

 

[Matthias]

When you focus on man-made labels you become blind to the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE

You know what the label means. You’re speaking against those who self-identify as trinitarian. They are the source of the label.

You’re attempting to hide from them. You let the cat out of the bag when you stated publicly that you aren’t a trinitarian. They just haven’t seen it yet. They will.

Be a blessing unto God and read His Word (Post 403) and PRAY for JESUS to open up your understanding.

You said: "All that is required is that we listen to, believe and obey the Messiah"

Now do just as you say and we can talk tomorrow

It is because I have listened to, believed and obeyed the Messiah that I’m not persuaded by your non-trinitarian theology.

 

[Matthias]

You told me yourself that you aren’t a trinitarian. Right?

You told me yourself that elohim is plural. Right?

@David in NJ you neither confirmed nor denied it in post #412. Avoiding it doesn’t change the fact that you did.

I don’t know what you want to talk with me about tomorrow but this will be one of the things discussed if we do.