Trump didn't place hand on Bible

[DuckieLady]

Yeah a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut too!

Kim Clement has said lots of stuff that never came true so he's definitely a false teacher and a false prophet not to even mention he supported and taught the false doctrines of OSAS as most "ministers" teach these days.






Concerning Trump becoming a Christian some day... we'll have to wait and see.

Currently he claims he believes in God but never mentions Jesus so it's not clear what "god" he is serving... apparently it's the "god" of this world because he supports abortion and the LGBBQ peoples who actively recruit children to become perverts by teaching them this garbage in the public schools.






So this is the one time... Trump didn't speak up! Weird! View attachment 57435







Biden and Trump neither one honor's God's Word not do they know anything about it.... it's obvious when you listen to them talk!

It's going to take God to change a person. Nobody can do it on their own.

Rich or poor, politician or not, the cross was given for everyone who will receive it. I'm not going to look at anyone in their current state and say there is no future for them because of where they are now.

That was kind of the point of the cross. For you, for me, everyone.

What makes it bizarre is this was in 2007, years before Trump was elected the first round. Shortly before Trump was president, Clement had passed.

Most people gave up on the prophecy when Biden took over, because he said it would be two terms.

Now it is two and there is a lot more we called false that just hadn't happened yet. Prophecies do not come on our own timing. We don't know any better anyway.

Again, that's kind of the point.

 

[amigo de christo]

It's not required to place your hand on a Bible while taking the oath.

The two Bibles Melania held near the President were a Bible given to the President by his great grandmother and the other was a Bible used by Abraham Lincoln.

https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/5096082-trumps-hand-wasnt-on-the-bible-during-the-oath-of-office-what-does-this-mean/

Technically did you know we ought not to swear .
Not by any oath or etc .
Swear not by heaven , swear not by ...........
swear not by any other oath . just let your yes be yes and your no no .
My problem is not with His swearing in , ITS WITH THIS INTERFAITH both HE and the POPE have brought into
the realm of christendom . And by all means TRUMP SURE DID NOT DO THIS FIRST
Interfaith , abraham peace accords , the religious tolerance act
THEY DIDNT COME OF TRUMP , THEY CAME TO TRUMP . we got a big problem .
While i know HARRIS was total bad news and should no man woman vote or have voted for her
WE BETTER all watch out . The best way to decieve a group is to come in as though you are OF the group .
ALWAYS remember that . INTEFAITH is bad news .

 

[amigo de christo]

It's going to take God to change a person. Nobody can do it on their own.

Rich or poor, politician or not, the cross was given for everyone who will receive it. I'm not going to look at anyone in their current state and say there is no future for them because of where they are now.

That was kind of the point of the cross. For you, for me, everyone.

What makes it bizarre is this was in 2007, years before Trump was elected the first round. Shortly before Trump was president, Clement had passed.

Most people gave up on the prophecy when Biden took over, because he said it would be two terms.

Now it is two and there is a lot more we called false that just hadn't happened yet. Prophecies do not come on our own timing. We don't know any better anyway.

Again, that's kind of the point.

All we can do is speak the truth . follow the biblical pattern for all things .
Pray FOR all leaders , not their wicked agendas , but rather they COME TO CHRIST .
And you are correct dear sister .
Men should not say or make cliam its too late for anyone .
Imagine if paul had lived in this generation . LOOK at what HE DID TO THE CHURCH before HIS CONVERSION .
FOlks were rounded up and some put to death . WITH PAULS APPROVAL .
YET , GOD changed that man and WOW did HE TOO . paul went from treating the church WORST
to putting the CHURCH FIRST . THAT PROVES HOW GOD CAN TRULY CHANGE A MAN . SO sing it my sister .
And let us always point to CHRIST .

 

[DuckieLady]

All we can do is speak the truth . follow the biblical pattern for all things .
Pray FOR all leaders , not their wicked agendas , but rather they COME TO CHRIST .
And you are correct dear sister .
Men should not say or make cliam its too late for anyone .
Imagine if paul had lived in this generation . LOOK at what HE DID TO THE CHURCH before HIS CONVERSION .
FOlks were rounded up and some put to death . WITH PAULS APPROVAL .
YET , GOD changed that man and WOW did HE TOO . paul went from treating the church WORST
to putting the CHURCH FIRST . THAT PROVES HOW GOD CAN TRULY CHANGE A MAN . SO sing it my sister .
And let us always point to CHRIST .

Very true and after this incident with the bishop, and Trump's unwillingness to lose in anything - especially the Christian population's approval, I wouldn't be surprised if he became knowledgeable enough to show her up as a theologian.

'Cause he's mad now.

 

[amigo de christo]

Very true and after this incident with the bishop, and Trump's unwillingness to lose in anything - especially the Christian population's approval, I wouldn't be surprised if he became knowledgeable enough to show her up as a theologian.

'Cause he's mad now.

He wont be able too . lest one has the LOG pulled out of the eye , how can they truly help the other .
What i say next will probably anger some , but since when were women to even lead the church and be a bishop .
Let alone be so woke . Trump cannot help her . OH he can probably expose some of her errors .
But the best those two can do
is sadly pole vault at each other with the beams in their eyes . I wish to GOD and pray to GOD
that true men of GOD surround trump and this false nar realm gets removed from him .
The man really needs to hear the truth . He did sit under norman vincent peale , HIS OWN admission .
Norman vincent peale is , was bad news . SO keep praying for the eyes of TRUMP and
well even for this lady in error , her eyes too be opened . SEEING i desire the death of none .
THOUGH her woke theology really puts a righteous anger in me . Still i hope she repents and comes to CHRIST before it is TOO late .
Its not too late right now , BUT ONE day it will be . And no man , not me , not you , not any
even knows if they have the morrow . So do today what we must and keep in prayer for them lost ones .
And i wll keep exposing their false doctrine as well as those who teach it , FOR the sake of the church . This must be done .

 

[DuckieLady]

What i say next will probably anger some , but since when were women to even lead th

I watched her talk for a few minutes. She's not theologically sound. She has what she believes are heartfelt good intentions, but life is not Disney.

"Follow your heart" leadership doesn't match up to the Word. "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"

I do believe in female leaders. Deborah was one of them. But this one is for itching ears.

 

[amigo de christo]

I watched her talk for a few minutes. She's not theologically sound. She has what she believes are heartfelt good intentions, but life is not Disney.

"Follow your heart" leadership doesn't match up to the Word. "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"

I do believe in female leaders. Deborah was one of them. But this one is for itching ears.

its all emotions sister . this is why i have been warning against the false sensual lovey do stuff

 

[Debp]

When JD Vance took the oath, they waited until all his family gathered around him. When Trump went to take his oath they rushed it and didn't wait for all his family, Melania wasn't there yet at first when the oath started. Plus Justice Roberts should have said place your hand on the bible, but Roberts rushed into it.

Thanks for explaining that. Of course, if Melania wasn't there yet, she can't interrupt if the oath was already begun. So she held the two Bibles near to her husband instead.

 

[Marvelloustime]

He wont be able too . lest one has the LOG pulled out of the eye , how can they truly help the other .
What i say next will probably anger some , but since when were women to even lead the church and be a bishop .
Let alone be so woke . Trump cannot help her . OH he can probably expose some of her errors .
But the best those two can do
is sadly pole vault at each other with the beams in their eyes . I wish to GOD and pray to GOD
that true men of GOD surround trump and this false nar realm gets removed from him .
The man really needs to hear the truth . He did sit under norman vincent peale , HIS OWN admission .
Norman vincent peale is , was bad news . SO keep praying for the eyes of TRUMP and
well even for this lady in error , her eyes too be opened . SEEING i desire the death of none .
THOUGH her woke theology really puts a righteous anger in me . Still i hope she repents and comes to CHRIST before it is TOO late .
Its not too late right now , BUT ONE day it will be . And no man , not me , not you , not any
even knows if they have the morrow . So do today what we must and keep in prayer for them lost ones .
And i wll keep exposing their false doctrine as well as those who teach it , FOR the sake of the church . This must be done .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

its all emotions sister . this is why i have been warning against the false sensual lovey do stuff

@amigo de christo

 

[Dan Clarkston]

It's going to take God to change a person. Nobody can do it on their own.

So when people act badly... it's God's fault for not changing them?

Sounds lie something the calvinist cult believes.

God actually holds people responsible for their actions and tells us to control ourselves... here's but a few verses reflecting this for everyone's view pleasure!

2 Timothy 2:19-22
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

That's key right there... the :Lord has made His Spirit and His Word available to us to strengthen us... if one fails, it's NOT God's fault and it's not up to God to override anyone's free will to FORCE them to do good!

Now it is two and there is a lot more we called false that just hadn't happened yet. Prophecies do not come on our own timing. We don't know any better anyway.

He is still not excused for teaching false doctrine not to mention the prophesies he claimed would happen within a certain time frame that did not happen.

He was a false teach and a false prophet... just because one prediction came true does not wipe away all the false predictions and the false doctrine he espoused.

I'd imagine the guy meant well but all the tares mean well. Hitler and Mao meant well too

'Cause he's mad now.

Yeah, he's going to remind her that he supports the LGBBQ peoples and even had the log cabin republikens annual gala at his resort in Florida.... because he supports the perverts!

I do believe in female leaders. Deborah was one of them.

Actually Deborah was a servant not a church leader in the Body of Christ under the New Covenant.

Under the old covenant it was punishment from the Lord upon God's people when he put a woman in charge as He never intended for women to be in authority over men.

We are in the New Covenant now... so here's some verses that apply to us today:

Women were created by the Lord to serve in a helper role not in a role of authority.
Only men can serve in a role of authority according to scripture.

Quote from - 1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife

Quote from - Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God

Quote from - 1 Timothy 2:12,13
I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man
(*Spoken under the anointing and leadership of the Lord... it's obvious as the Lord allowed this to be put in His Word)

Related TRUTH from Scripture:

1 Corinthians 11:8,9
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Genesis 2:18
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Concerning 1 Timothy 2:8-15
Paul gave two reasons, both of them are theological not cultural.

1. The created order: Adam was first created as an independent person, then Eve was created from his rib to be his helper. She was therefore not created to be independent of the man in authority.

2. Eve, and consequently all women, were placed under a penalty of the curse. This included pain in childbearing and that her husband would rule over her.

she can't interrupt if the oath was already begun.

Sure she can.... she should have stuck the Bibles she was holding out and cleared her throat while looking at her husband... you know, in the way wives do when the husband is forgetting something important!

 

[DuckieLady]

So when people act badly... it's God's fault for not changing them?

Sounds lie something the calvinist cult believes.

God actually holds people responsible for their actions and tells us to control ourselves... here's but a few verses reflecting this for everyone's view pleasure!

2 Timothy 2:19-22
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

That's key right there... the :Lord has made His Spirit and His Word available to us to strengthen us... if one fails, it's NOT God's fault and it's not up to God to override anyone's free will to FORCE them to do good! View attachment 57500






He is still not excused for teaching false doctrine not to mention the prophesies he claimed would happen within a certain time frame that did not happen.

He was a false teach and a false prophet... just because one prediction came true does not wipe away all the false predictions and the false doctrine he espoused.

I'd imagine the guy meant well but all the tares mean well. Hitler and Mao meant well too View attachment 57496







Yeah, he's going to remind her that he supports the LGBBQ peoples and even had the log cabin republikens annual gala at his resort in Florida.... because he supports the perverts! View attachment 57498







Actually Deborah was a servant not a church leader in the Body of Christ under the New Covenant.

Under the old covenant it was punishment from the Lord upon God's people when he put a woman in charge as He never intended for women to be in authority over men.

We are in the New Covenant now... so here's some verses that apply to us today:

Women were created by the Lord to serve in a helper role not in a role of authority.
Only men can serve in a role of authority according to scripture.

Quote from - 1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife

Quote from - Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God

Quote from - 1 Timothy 2:12,13
I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man
(*Spoken under the anointing and leadership of the Lord... it's obvious as the Lord allowed this to be put in His Word)

Related TRUTH from Scripture:

1 Corinthians 11:8,9
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Genesis 2:18
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Concerning 1 Timothy 2:8-15
Paul gave two reasons, both of them are theological not cultural.

1. The created order: Adam was first created as an independent person, then Eve was created from his rib to be his helper. She was therefore not created to be independent of the man in authority.

2. Eve, and consequently all women, were placed under a penalty of the curse. This included pain in childbearing and that her husband would rule over her.






Sure she can.... she should have stuck the Bibles she was holding out and cleared her throat while looking at her husband... you know, in the way wives do when the husband is forgetting something important! View attachment 57499

I think you might actually not be "right", so I am just going to ignore.

And by that I just mean, something is seriously off and I don't trust it. I don't want to take time on it.

 

[Wrangler]

Plus Justice Roberts should have said place your hand on the bible, but Roberts rushed into it.

At least wait until the First Lady is standing by her husband BEFORE saying "repeat after me." Can you imagine if Trump got distracted and messed up the oath reacting to his wife coming to his side during the oath?

Supreme Court's John Roberts comes under MAGA fire for Trump inauguration

Trump didn't place his hand on the Bible during his swearing-in, and some of his supporters are blaming John Roberts.

www.newsweek.com

Trump did not place hand on Bible for oath of office during his inauguration but supporters defend president over ‘rushed’ ceremony

Instead of placing his hand on the Bibles, Trump stood with his left arm down by his side as he raised his right hand for the oath of office.

nypost.com

 

[Verily]

But don't you just "mess up" from the start by simply taking an oath?

 

[Wrangler]

But don't you just "mess up" from the start by simply taking an oath?

Every President was a Christian and every one took the prescribed oath. But I think Christ said to merely say yes or no. However, that may have applied to oaths in a jury rather than for high office.

 

[Verily]

Every President was a Christian and every one took the prescribed oath. But I think Christ said to merely say yes or no. However, that may have applied to oaths in a jury rather than for high office.

There is not a single oath we are encouraged to take regardless of what oaths we are "traditionally" taught are fine to take. Even in a jury, you can opt out of an oath, refuse to take an oath (on the bible) because the bible tells us not to, see what I mean?

 

[Wrangler]

There is not a single oath we are encouraged

Not the same as prohibited. From What does the Bible say about keeping your vows / oaths? | GotQuestions.org

So, Jesus was not condemning all forms of promises, contracts, or agreements. Jesus was speaking of the kind of spontaneous vow made when a person says, “I cross my heart and hope to die” or “I swear on a stack of Bibles” or “I swear on my mother’s life.” Jesus warns against using those types of flippant oaths. His teaching in Matthew 5 is not meant to discourage careful, thought-out promises, such as wedding vows or a legal contract.

The principle here is clear for Christians: be careful about making vows, either to the Lord or to one another.

 

[Verily]

Not the same as prohibited. From What does the Bible say about keeping your vows / oaths? | GotQuestions.org

So, Jesus was not condemning all forms of promises, contracts, or agreements. Jesus was speaking of the kind of spontaneous vow made when a person says, “I cross my heart and hope to die” or “I swear on a stack of Bibles” or “I swear on my mother’s life.” Jesus warns against using those types of flippant oaths. His teaching in Matthew 5 is not meant to discourage careful, thought-out promises, such as wedding vows or a legal contract.

The principle here is clear for Christians: be careful about making vows, either to the Lord or to one another.

Where is Jesus doing what you said he was doing?

Mat 5
[33] Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
[34] BUT I SAY UNTO YOU , SWEAR NOT AT ALL; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
[35] Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
[36] Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
[37] But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

James chimes in here too

James 5:12 BUT ABOVE ALL THINGS, my brethren, SWEAR NOT, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, NEITHER BY ANY OTHER OATH: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think you might actually not be "right", so I am just going to ignore.

And by that I just mean, something is seriously off and I don't trust it. I don't want to take time on it.

You know i loves ya dear sister . but dan is right about some things .
Kim clement was bad news . And us men have a responsibilty to correct those in error .
Now i dont know all that dan teaches . I do know Kim was bad news .
And i do know interfaith is coming of that which is of anti christ .
And both sides are pumping it down to the people .
We have become a generation of judge not correct not
and that has destroyed many a church from within .
Till now they raise their own voices and accuse and scream even at , holler at
run off the true men who correct their bad ways . ON this path its gonna end real bad .
Seeing i dont desire death for any of them , I had better get busy increasing the warnings
and all biblical sound doctrine . Just keep marching onwards dear sister .
Remember , I DO as i do because i DO desire ONLY GOOD for the peoples .

 

[amigo de christo]

Where is Jesus doing what you said he was doing?

Mat 5
[33] Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
[34] BUT I SAY UNTO YOU , SWEAR NOT AT ALL; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
[35] Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
[36] Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
[37] But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

James chimes in here too

James 5:12 BUT ABOVE ALL THINGS, my brethren, SWEAR NOT, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, NEITHER BY ANY OTHER OATH: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

Stick to , adhere too , embrace and obey , cherishing the lovely words of THE LORD .
Yep . men often love to twist things to fit what they desire . BUT JESUS was real clear about it
AND JAMES KNEW THIS TOO . they all did . EVERY WORD of JESUS
should be seen as though THEY OF GOD HIMSELF , BECAUSE IF JESUS said it , GOD said it .. let us love truth
and do all to contend for the true faith .