Trump didn't place hand on Bible during second oath of office
This is odd that he decided to not put his hand on the Bible which is customary
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Trump didn't place hand on Bible
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No, he's not a Jew either... but he like the way they handle money and how the Jews always make a profit.
That's something God taught the descendants of Abraham
No, I saw a video earlier and his left hand is by his side... so his left hand was not on the talmud and he wasn't playing pocket pool either
That's something God taught the descendants of Abraham
No, I saw a video earlier and his left hand is by his side... so his left hand was not on the talmud and he wasn't playing pocket pool either
Debp
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It's not required to place your hand on a Bible while taking the oath.
The two Bibles Melania held near the President were a Bible given to the President by his great grandmother and the other was a Bible used by Abraham Lincoln.
The two Bibles Melania held near the President were a Bible given to the President by his great grandmother and the other was a Bible used by Abraham Lincoln.
In Australia one does not need to place your hand on the Bible, you once did have to 20 years ago or so. if taking an oath.
I do place my hand on a Bible when taking an Oath ! and people who will not do so, I know who they are ? but then againe the Devil himself would do such just for show ?
I do place my hand on a Bible when taking an Oath ! and people who will not do so, I know who they are ? but then againe the Devil himself would do such just for show ?
Not required of course, and He didn’t put his hand on it. Many apologists will claim all manner of things as to why, all of which are speculation at best.
One would think though that a person who holds claims to be born again and has Jesus Christ as the center of their lives would want to make sure they were doing so. I know I would.
One would think though that a person who holds claims to be born again and has Jesus Christ as the center of their lives would want to make sure they were doing so. I know I would.
Debp
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One Bible was from his great grandmother and the other from Abraham Lincoln. Perhaps Melania holding both Bibles near to the President was a way not to choose one over the other. Both Bibles had meaning.
Taken
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Trump didn't place hand on Bible
There is no legal requirement in US Federal Law for an incoming US President to have a Bible Present, place a hand on a Bible, or mention God.
Trump was swearing an OATH to uphold the US CONSTITUTION…not the Word of God.
Trump Asked Gods Help to keep his OATH to uphold the US Constitution….not required by Statute. (And BTW, later during that day, Trump gave God the credit for preserving Trumps life from an assassins attempt to murder Trump.)
Lawful oath of US Presidential Office;
US Constitution
Article 2
Section 1
Clause 8
“ I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Scripturally men acknowledge God by “their” word, not Gods Word.
Glory to God,
Taken
No, but those that believe in the truthfulness of God's Word would do so just like they used to do in court when someone is under oath.
It's not like Trump is a Christians or anything so of course he doesn't want to place his hand on the Bible
Well Trump famously claimed he never did anything to have the need of repentance when asked if he had ever asked God to forgive him of his sins.... so apparently he thinks he has never sinned at all!
DuckieLady
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Kim Clement prophecy from 2007. I picked this one because it's short, there are longer ones.
I didn't know the first time around and was hesitant to believe him, but it seems like his prophecies are coming true.
He said Trump would not be a praying president going into office and people would say he has "hot blood", but that his spirit would anoint him later.
I don't know what to think so I am deep into studying this and trying to make a decision.
Jesus does say,
Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Jesus says,
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
James clarifies
James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
So neither by any other oath
Taken
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Swear or Affirm…
Affirming is agreeing with the oath.
Swearing is Adding a plea, thanks, acknowledgement of God.
I have no issue with the oath of A political servants testament To uphold, defend, protect the US Constitution…
They are not bowing, praising, worshiping the Document.
Glory to God,
Taken
It shouldn't be whether we ourselves might have an issue with it but whether its encouraged or not. James seems to indicate Christians should not at all.
Rockerduck
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When JD Vance took the oath, they waited until all his family gathered around him. When Trump went to take his oath they rushed it and didn't wait for all his family, Melania wasn't there yet at first when the oath started. Plus Justice Roberts should have said place your hand on the bible, but Roberts rushed into it.
ScottA
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The word is...Trump did not put his hand on the Bible because the oath was hosted by United States, Inc. of 1871 established in the illegal, foreign nation of Washington D.C., and was actually sworn in January 16th in a military ceremony under the original constitutional government of the United States of America of 1776. If you happened to notice, the inauguration was announce as being in the City of Washington, not Washington D.C..
Yeah a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut too!
Kim Clement has said lots of stuff that never came true so he's definitely a false teacher and a false prophet not to even mention he supported and taught the false doctrines of OSAS as most "ministers" teach these days.
Concerning Trump becoming a Christian some day... we'll have to wait and see.
Currently he claims he believes in God but never mentions Jesus so it's not clear what "god" he is serving... apparently it's the "god" of this world because he supports abortion and the LGBBQ peoples who actively recruit children to become perverts by teaching them this garbage in the public schools.
So this is the one time... Trump didn't speak up! Weird!
Biden and Trump neither one honor's God's Word not do they know anything about it.... it's obvious when you listen to them talk!
This arguments/disagreement is silly.
Any 'old fool' can place their hand on a bible and swear an oath, but it is the state of their heart that is more important, and since we cannot examine a person's heart to see what state it is in, it is impossible for us to judge the state of that person's heart when they gave that oath.
Any 'old fool' can place their hand on a bible and swear an oath, but it is the state of their heart that is more important, and since we cannot examine a person's heart to see what state it is in, it is impossible for us to judge the state of that person's heart when they gave that oath.
Jesus said you will know them by their fruit.
Matthew 12:33
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
There are those among us that in their thinking make idols out of politicians whether it be liberals or conservatives.
And that's the fact jack!
Matthew 12:33
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
There are those among us that in their thinking make idols out of politicians whether it be liberals or conservatives.
And that's the fact jack!
True, Jesus does speak of these fools calling all sorts of swearing nothing
Matt.23
[16] Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
[17] Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
[18] And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
[19] Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
[20] Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
[21] And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
[22] And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
I wonder how Jesus would have equated
"And he that swear by the holy scriptures" if it were actually listed in the above?
He does call them fools who are the ones saying "it is nothing"
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