Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[amigo de christo]

[Mat 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[Mar 10:18 KJV] 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.
[Luk 18:19 KJV] 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God.

do keep in mind this does not mean that JESUS was not good . But take notice HE did say ONLY GOD is GOOD .
and now a word , in the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with GOD and GOD is the Word .
From his first day unto his last day upon this earth , JESUS never once , reader and all take heed to this , SINNED .
This of course was for our sake . For what man on earth can be saved . LORD who then can be saved ,
WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE . NOT WITH GOD . And GOD himself , creator of all that is , HAS PURPOSED
exactly HOW to save . HE sent the SON so that all who do BELEIVE , again reader take heed that says BELEIVE , IN HIM
shall not perish but have everlasting Life .
GOD chose to save by the preaching of the gospel so that they who BELEIVE would be saved .
This world will never be saved by carnal intellect and wisdom of men .
SO let not a one of heed this end time delusional version of love that IS NOT OF GOD
and has made the path TO GOD very broad , and sin accepting . For on that BROAD broad road of inclusive co exist love
ALL ENDS in perdition . Now be encouraged and remember , POINTING TO THE DIRE NECESSITY
to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST is not only a good thing but a DIRE NECESSITY to do so .

 

[Wrangler]

The man Never SAID “WHY”. he called Jesus “Good”.

Jesus Never SAID He was Not Good.

You do laps on ground already covered. Just ignore the analysis of John 17:1-3 and 8:54 in post 712, eh?

Just ignore it because it is not convenient for your dogma.

In John 17:1-3, Jesus separates himself from the one true God. He refers to himself as the one he (the one true God) sent. It is disingenuous to suppose he is claiming deity status in response to the man merely calling him a good teacher. This especially in light of him saying that glorifying himself to mean nothing at John 8:54. You are contradicting Jesus in claiming he is glorifying himself in the highest possible terms.

 

[amigo de christo]

Extreme tunnel vision.

many have the wrong tunnel vision . And with that tunnel vision they see ONLY as they desire to see
and that type of tunnel vision produces a VERY very BROAD view , way , sin accepting love path TO GOD .
They have what is known as inclusive love tunnel view syndrom. ILTVS . and its DEADLY .
Now i have tunnel vision myself , but HIS NAME BE JESUS THE CHRIST . That be the ONLY NAME I SEE
as SALVATION . HIS every WORD is our meat . In HIM IS LIFE and HE IS LIFE and HE giveth eternal life
unto all who beleive ON HIM .
but this other tunnel vision , of which many are now influenced by
has produced a version of love that they do beleive is of GOD , but friend that LOVE has denied the DIRE ABSOLUTE DIRE
NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS and has made a convenant with the fowl and wicked religoins of mother earth
and lies to them and says WE ALL CHILDREN OF GOD , we all On different paths TO GOD . BABY , ITS ANTI CHRIST LOVE .
For as satan has always desired the death of man , HIS VERSION OF LOVE will DOOM THEM ALL TO THE SECOND DEATH .
This version of co exist , finding common ground , inclusive love of interfaith and its diversity
IS A not just a death sentence , BUT A SECOND DEATH sentence . It will seem loving to the blind
but the sheep know and do cry aloud against it , saying to all , DO NOT GRAB that false line , IT WILL SAVE NONE .

 

[amigo de christo]

many have made the love of this world their god and their christ
having no idea is the dark one and that which is of anti christ to lead all to merge as one
in this last hour and lead them all to perdition . Under this version of love INQUITY has not been corrected
and thus in time becomes even accepted and more and more error and sin and lies become their truth .
Many have embraced this golden bull known as love and cliams to be the LOVE of GOD .
And it has made a covenant with the wicked of the land . ITS A SNARE to the soul of all who do enter into it .
And it has and will lead all to the mindset of a fat lie that GOD is in all religoins , that every religoin has its own way
to GOD and that way IS this inclusive love . IT IS OF ANTI CHRIST and its love has embraced abominations
and calleth evil good and TRUTH which is good , EVIL . It is a hater and a mocker of TRUTH , of the very words
of TRUTH in the scriptures which do expose its evil .
This generation grows by the day , under its version of love , only more and more accepting of sin and of a lie
and only more and hateful against THE GOD , HIS CHRIST and HIS TRUTH and the saints who still proclaim HIS WORDS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Post 736 UPdated for you

My friend it is only out of great love that i must remind you of something . Worry not about preaching
numbers , PREACH the DOCTRINE .
You can expose them by just the doctrine itself .

 

[David in NJ]

YES! @David in NJ, you've just redeemed yourself from all of the dumb arguments you've advanced in favor the Son's divinity, and hit on the one that I accept wholeheartedly. Thank you!

There is a bit of a disconnect between "He already existed in the form of God" and "God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name." You can't exalt someone who is already exalted as God. You can't bestow on someone what what He already possesses as God. But there is an easy way to repair the disconnect, and that is what Paul is telling us something about the Incarnation -- the "emptying," if you will:

During the 30-odd years that Jesus Christ walked the planet, every statement he made indicating subservience to God the Father, and every instance where He disclaimed knowledge of something God would know, and every statement that could be construed as indicative of lack of divinity -- in short, every gospel quote the anti-Trinitarians lift as their proof texts -- DOES NOT PROVE THAT HE WASN'T GOD BEFORE THOSE YEARS, OR THAT HE ISN'T GOD TODAY. This was a TEMPORARY relinquishment, according to Paul. Whatever the essence or substance or ousia or "stuff" of God-ness is, the Son had it from the beginning, and will have it forever -- those 30-odd years excepted. The glass was full before the Incarnation, and filled up again after the Ascension. What He poured out of that glass on mankind in that interim period is what saves us and lets us attain to God-ness ourselves.

all of the dumb arguments

This is Today's LOL x100 = thank you

Can you please READ this again:

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

19So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

21And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

22So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

23But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich.

 

[Wrangler]

in short, every gospel quote the anti-Trinitarians lift as their proof texts -- DOES NOT PROVE THAT HE WASN'T GOD BEFORE THOSE YEARS, OR THAT HE ISN'T GOD TODAY.

LOL Trinity anti-logic on display. 1st, one cannot logically prove a negative. (And I think you are smart enough to know that)

2nd, as a lawyer, you know the burden is on the one who makes the positive claim, e.g., the defendant is guilty or liable, H0 v Ha. Trinitarians have failed to prove with Scripture that Jesus is God. The trinity is not in Scripture. Scripture does not teach that it is important to believe in the trinity or that Jesus is God.

The complete absence of the trinity as an explicit teaching is proof enough that it is a false doctrine. Jesus did not teach the trinity. Jesus did not teach us to pray to the trinity. Why would Jesus followers teach what Jesus did not?

3rd, theologically, If he were God, it would mean he suffered on the cross for nothing! It would make a mockery of his entire ministry, pretend death and worst of all, we are still enslaved to sin for Jesus did not pay the wages of sin IF he were God who cannot die.

4th, Scripture proves by contradiction that Jesus is NOT God over and over again. No one "becomes" God. Jesus died, which alone demonstrably proves he is NOT God.

Jesus said true worshipers will worship the Father. John 4:23. This means false worshippers worship the trinity. Rev 1:1 proves the resurrected Jesus having been given all authority in Heaven and Earth sitting at God's throne in heaven is STILL not God (for God gave Jesus the revelation). Jesus has a God. God does not have a God.

Now for the converse. Mark 1:1 identifies Jesus as the son of god - not god the son. There are many proof texts that God is NOT Jesus. There is only God the Father. This is not equivalent to there is only God the trinity.

Jesus, himself said the Father is the only true God. That means the trinity is a false god. Then there is the OT which explicitly and repeatedly tells us who God is (and it is not Jesus or the Holy Spirit or all 3 combined).

1. God also said to Moses ...Yahweh ... is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered for generation after generation. Ex 3:15 (REV)
2. You shall have no other gods before me (including the trinity god). Ex 20:3 (singular pronoun referring to the LORD God YHWH, who we relate to as father)
3. Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone! Deut 6:4
4. “I am Yahweh who makes all things; who alone stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth by myself." Isaiah 44:24
5. I am Yahweh, and there is none else. Besides me, there is no God. Isaiah 45:5
6. O God ... you alone, whose name is Yahweh, are the Most High over all the earth. Ps 83
7. I am Yahweh your God, and there is no other. Joel 2:26

In response to all this, you got nothing! I'd love to see a point by point rebuttal but I know I'll never get it. You have to ignore all this and adopt extreme eisegesis, pretend the man-is-god thesis is the central message of Scripture, to satisfy your IDOL. There is no proof text that Jesus is not God?!

 

[MonoBiblical]

do keep in mind this does not mean that JESUS was not good . But take notice HE did say ONLY GOD is GOOD .
and now a word , in the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with GOD and GOD is the Word .
From his first day unto his last day upon this earth , JESUS never once , reader and all take heed to this , SINNED .
This of course was for our sake . For what man on earth can be saved . LORD who then can be saved ,
WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE . NOT WITH GOD . And GOD himself , creator of all that is , HAS PURPOSED
exactly HOW to save . HE sent the SON so that all who do BELEIVE , again reader take heed that says BELEIVE , IN HIM
shall not perish but have everlasting Life .
GOD chose to save by the preaching of the gospel so that they who BELEIVE would be saved .
This world will never be saved by carnal intellect and wisdom of men .
SO let not a one of heed this end time delusional version of love that IS NOT OF GOD
and has made the path TO GOD very broad , and sin accepting . For on that BROAD broad road of inclusive co exist love
ALL ENDS in perdition . Now be encouraged and remember , POINTING TO THE DIRE NECESSITY
to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST is not only a good thing but a DIRE NECESSITY to do so .

It means he denied being agathos which means perfect. Why do you call me perfect,?there is none perfect except one, a god.

 

[Marvelloustime]

do keep in mind this does not mean that JESUS was not good . But take notice HE did say ONLY GOD is GOOD .
and now a word , in the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with GOD and GOD is the Word .
From his first day unto his last day upon this earth , JESUS never once , reader and all take heed to this , SINNED .
This of course was for our sake . For what man on earth can be saved . LORD who then can be saved ,
WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE . NOT WITH GOD . And GOD himself , creator of all that is , HAS PURPOSED
exactly HOW to save . HE sent the SON so that all who do BELEIVE , again reader take heed that says BELEIVE , IN HIM
shall not perish but have everlasting Life .
GOD chose to save by the preaching of the gospel so that they who BELEIVE would be saved .
This world will never be saved by carnal intellect and wisdom of men .
SO let not a one of heed this end time delusional version of love that IS NOT OF GOD
and has made the path TO GOD very broad , and sin accepting . For on that BROAD broad road of inclusive co exist love
ALL ENDS in perdition . Now be encouraged and remember , POINTING TO THE DIRE NECESSITY
to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST is not only a good thing but a DIRE NECESSITY to do so .

@amigo de christo

 

[David in NJ]

My friend it is only out of great love that i must remind you of something . Worry not about preaching
numbers , PREACH the DOCTRINE .
You can expose them by just the doctrine itself .

Who is the Author of Scripture???
the Spirit of TRUTH
therefore the Scripture cannot lie

There are only TWO paths when we read Scripture:
a.) IAM the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE
b.) you search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life

return to (a) = "but they are that which Speaks of ME"

SEE the difference???

 

[Marvelloustime]

many have made the love of this world their god and their christ
having no idea is the dark one and that which is of anti christ to lead all to merge as one
in this last hour and lead them all to perdition . Under this version of love INQUITY has not been corrected
and thus in time becomes even accepted and more and more error and sin and lies become their truth .
Many have embraced this golden bull known as love and cliams to be the LOVE of GOD .
And it has made a covenant with the wicked of the land . ITS A SNARE to the soul of all who do enter into it .
And it has and will lead all to the mindset of a fat lie that GOD is in all religoins , that every religoin has its own way
to GOD and that way IS this inclusive love . IT IS OF ANTI CHRIST and its love has embraced abominations
and calleth evil good and TRUTH which is good , EVIL . It is a hater and a mocker of TRUTH , of the very words
of TRUTH in the scriptures which do expose its evil .
This generation grows by the day , under its version of love , only more and more accepting of sin and of a lie
and only more and hateful against THE GOD , HIS CHRIST and HIS TRUTH and the saints who still proclaim HIS WORDS .

@amigo de christo

 

[Taken]

You do laps on ground already covered. Just ignore the analysis of John 17:1-3 and 8:54 in post 712, eh?

Just ignore it because it is not convenient for your dogma.

John 17:
[1] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
[2] As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
[3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 8:
[54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Not Ignored…
Rather “UNDERSTOOD”!

Jesus was SENT….from Heaven, out of Gods mouth, in a HUMBLED BODY God PREPARED, For His WORD, In the Likeness FORM “AS” a human earthly man.
For Human earthly men TO SEE and HEAR.
And FOR THAT prepared BODY to be Given unto Death…FOR the Life OF ANY human man, Who chooses to Accept Gods OFFERED prepared Body…That Such human man, would GAIN a Forever Life WITH God!

Once That Body was Killed Dead.. That Body’s Task WAS Accomplished….it’s Task was Finished!

John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


God IN Heaven…Honored His own WORD Jesus…
For Teaching human men…How to Honor God.

What you should have Learned…
Is God Does Not Honor His Creations.
Gods Word teaches the Created to Honor God.
God Honored His Own Word.
The highest One For anyone TO Honor…
Is To Honor He who IS the Highest…ie.
He Who IS God Himself!

You should have Learned…God HONORING Gods OWN Word JESUS…
Was precisely God Honoring Himself….
Because there is None Higher…
God IS His Own God…
God Honors His OWN self.
God Swears by Himself…His OWN Word.
(Heb 6:13)
Gods Word is Gods Own Self
(John 1:1)

Do you Not Get… Spirits have the Power to Appear to the Eyes OF human men…in the form, shape, body that looks LIKE a human mans Form, shape, body?

If a Human man puts on his body…a gorilla suit, grunts like a gorilla, walks like a gorilla,
Eats with his fingers….
Are you seriously fooled…and think that human man, IS a gorilla?

Are you seriously, without Understanding, the Body Gods Word took upon Himself…didn’t Know His TASK…was to Precisely BE Seen by Human men…?

Jesus of course Knew…He and His Father Are One…He said so

Jesus of course knew He and His Father Are EQUAL…

Phil 2;
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Marvelloustime]

many have made the love of this world their god and their christ
having no idea is the dark one and that which is of anti christ to lead all to merge as one
in this last hour and lead them all to perdition . Under this version of love INQUITY has not been corrected
and thus in time becomes even accepted and more and more error and sin and lies become their truth .
Many have embraced this golden bull known as love and cliams to be the LOVE of GOD .
And it has made a covenant with the wicked of the land . ITS A SNARE to the soul of all who do enter into it .
And it has and will lead all to the mindset of a fat lie that GOD is in all religoins , that every religoin has its own way
to GOD and that way IS this inclusive love . IT IS OF ANTI CHRIST and its love has embraced abominations
and calleth evil good and TRUTH which is good , EVIL . It is a hater and a mocker of TRUTH , of the very words
of TRUTH in the scriptures which do expose its evil .
This generation grows by the day , under its version of love , only more and more accepting of sin and of a lie
and only more and hateful against THE GOD , HIS CHRIST and HIS TRUTH and the saints who still proclaim HIS WORDS .

@amigo de christo

 

[RedFan]

This is Today's LOL x100 = thank you

Can you please READ this again:

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

19So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

21And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

22So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

23But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich.

Jesus is saying NEITHER that he is good NOR that he is not good here. So if this is what you trumpet as Jesus claiming to be God (= good), I have to put it in the "dumb" category.

 

[David in NJ]

John 17:
[1] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
[2] As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
[3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 8:
[54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Not Ignored…
Rather “UNDERSTOOD”!

Jesus was SENT….from Heaven, out of Gods mouth, in a HUMBLED BODY God PREPARED, For His WORD, In the Likeness FORM “AS” a human earthly man.
For Human earthly men TO SEE and HEAR.
And FOR THAT prepared BODY to be Given unto Death…FOR the Life OF ANY human man, Who chooses to Accept Gods OFFERED prepared Body…That Such human man, would GAIN a Forever Life WITH God!

Once That Body was Killed Dead.. That Body’s Task WAS Accomplished….it’s Task was Finished!

John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


God IN Heaven…Honored His own WORD Jesus…
For Teaching human men…How to Honor God.

What you should have Learned…
Is God Does Not Honor His Creations.
Gods Word teaches the Created to Honor God.
God Honored His Own Word.
The highest One For anyone TO Honor…
Is To Honor He who IS the Highest…ie.
He Who IS God Himself!

You should have Learned…God HONORING Gods OWN Word JESUS…
Was precisely God Honoring Himself….
Because there is None Higher…
God IS His Own God…
God Honors His OWN self.
God Swears by Himself…His OWN Word.
(Heb 6:13)
Gods Word is Gods Own Self
(John 1:1)

Do you Not Get… Spirits have the Power to Appear to the Eyes OF human men…in the form, shape, body that looks LIKE a human mans Form, shape, body?

If a Human man puts on his body…a gorilla suit, grunts like a gorilla, walks like a gorilla,
Eats with his fingers….
Are you seriously fooled…and think that human man, IS a gorilla?

Are you seriously, without Understanding, the Body Gods Word took upon Himself…didn’t Know His TASK…was to Precisely BE See by Human men…?

Jesus of course Knew…He and His Father Are One…He said so

Jesus of course knew He and His Father Are EQUAL…

Phil 2;
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Glory to God,
Taken

BEST Post so far on explaining to those who cannot SEE = ty Brother

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus is saying NEITHER that he is good NOR that he is not good here. So if this is what you trumpet as Jesus claiming to be God (= good), I have to put it in the "dumb" category.

You are missing out on the Truth that JESUS is trying to get us to SEE

Brother @Johann understands that the Torah is Truth and the Torah SPEAKS of MESSIAH

Therefore, from the Torah, the LORD is Speaking to this young Hebrew rich man = something that is MONUMENTAL

@Johann, do you know what JESUS is showing us in this passage by which the Lord quotes from the Torah???

 

[David in NJ]

John 17:
[1] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
[2] As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
[3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 8:
[54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Not Ignored…
Rather “UNDERSTOOD”!

Jesus was SENT….from Heaven, out of Gods mouth, in a HUMBLED BODY God PREPARED, For His WORD, In the Likeness FORM “AS” a human earthly man.
For Human earthly men TO SEE and HEAR.
And FOR THAT prepared BODY to be Given unto Death…FOR the Life OF ANY human man, Who chooses to Accept Gods OFFERED prepared Body…That Such human man, would GAIN a Forever Life WITH God!

Once That Body was Killed Dead.. That Body’s Task WAS Accomplished….it’s Task was Finished!

John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


God IN Heaven…Honored His own WORD Jesus…
For Teaching human men…How to Honor God.

What you should have Learned…
Is God Does Not Honor His Creations.
Gods Word teaches the Created to Honor God.
God Honored His Own Word.
The highest One For anyone TO Honor…
Is To Honor He who IS the Highest…ie.
He Who IS God Himself!

You should have Learned…God HONORING Gods OWN Word JESUS…
Was precisely God Honoring Himself….
Because there is None Higher…
God IS His Own God…
God Honors His OWN self.
God Swears by Himself…His OWN Word.
(Heb 6:13)
Gods Word is Gods Own Self
(John 1:1)

Do you Not Get… Spirits have the Power to Appear to the Eyes OF human men…in the form, shape, body that looks LIKE a human mans Form, shape, body?

If a Human man puts on his body…a gorilla suit, grunts like a gorilla, walks like a gorilla,
Eats with his fingers….
Are you seriously fooled…and think that human man, IS a gorilla?

Are you seriously, without Understanding, the Body Gods Word took upon Himself…didn’t Know His TASK…was to Precisely BE See by Human men…?

Jesus of course Knew…He and His Father Are One…He said so

Jesus of course knew He and His Father Are EQUAL…

Phil 2;
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Glory to God,
Taken

Phil 2;
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Synopsis:
JESUS thought it not robbery to be equal with His FATHER/God:
Based on this evidence of Origin it places the onus
on those who deny the Divinity of Christ to escape the condemnation of attempting to steal from God the Glory due to Him from His creation that was made in His image.

option a - "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.
Option B - "I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."

 

[RedFan]

Brother @Johann understands that the Torah is Truth and the Torah SPEAKS of MESSIAH

Brother @Johann is way smarter than me, then, because I don't see the Torah speaking of Jesus as Messiah. The word מָשִׁיחַ ("mashiakh") is found four times in the Torah (Exodus 28:41. Exodus 40:15, Leviticus 4:3, Numbers 3:3), and each time it refers to the anointing of a priest.

 

[David in NJ]

Brother @Johann is way smarter than me, then, because I don't see the Torah speaking of Jesus as Messiah. The word מָשִׁיחַ ("mashiakh") is found four times in the Torah (Exodus 28:41. Exodus 40:15, Leviticus 4:3, Numbers 3:3), and each time it refers to the anointing of a priest.

Hopefully, Brother @Johann will share with us.

CLUE #1 - Revealing the Truth in the passage are the Commandments

CLUE #2 - this passage of Scripture is not about JESUS as Messiah but rather JESUS as Elohim

 

[RedFan]

CLUE #1 - Revealing the Truth in the passage are the Commandments

Revealing the Truth in WHAT passage are the Commandments?