Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[Keiw]

You and @Wrangler CANNOT fulfill the Commandment of John 4:22-24 until you FIRST obey John 4:13

13Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again,
but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst.
But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”


jw's will not go to the LORD Jesus Christ in order that they may be SAVED and receive JESUS everlasting WATER unto eternal LIFE

Are you kidding??? Jesus is our king, we bow in obeisance to him daily by obeying him. The water Jesus gives comes straight from the Father-John 5:30= Jesus can do 0 of his own initiative. We go THROUGH Jesus and get to the Father or did you forget--I am the way, the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but THROUGH me---See the Father is the destination for a true follower as Jesus shows at John 4:22-24

 

[Wrangler]

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Jesus Never said He was not Good.

Yes he did. He rebuked the person who said he was a good teacher. Jesus uses a standard of good that only his God qualifies to meet.

You cannot admit Jesus has a God, then deny its implications or pretend sometimes he is talking about himself. He explicitly said he is not God and implicitly said he is not good.

Language Usage.
P1. If I say that I have a gardener and someone accuses me of having a green thumb AND
P2. I rebuke that accusation on the grounds that only my gardener has a green thumb
C. We must accept that I am denying the term green thumb applies to me.

Otherwise, just accept the compliment.

In John 17:1-3, Jesus separates himself from the one true God. He refers to himself as the one he (the one true God) sent. It is disingenuous to suppose he is claiming deity status in response to the man merely calling him a good teacher. This especially in light of him saying that glorifying himself to mean nothing at John 8:54. You are contradicting Jesus in claiming he is glorifying himself in the highest possible terms.

 

[Marvelloustime]

if one finds themself following a jesus and that jesus and its love
SURE SEEMS to be a man pleaser , NOT GOD PLEASER , friend i got but this to say , THEYS BEEN DECIEVED
by thier own lustful hearts desire and follow a jesus that has promised them salvation and THEIR SIN and error . that is known as
A DELUSION

@amigo de christo

 

[David in NJ]

Nonsense. Find me a verse where Jesus says He is perfect/good. For that matter, find me a verse where Jesus says He is NOT perfect/good. I'll take either one.

the deception of the spirit of error is gaining ground on you
the more you submit to man's intellect the darker it gets for you

Children can SEE where 'smart intelligent' adults expect God to give in to their demands, even though HE tells them the Truth.

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’
‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven;
and come, follow Me.”

But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

How is it that you are unable to SEE???

 

[MonoBiblical]

When did JESUS ever say HE is 'not' perfect/good???

[Mat 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[Mar 10:18 KJV] 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.
[Luk 18:19 KJV] 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God.

 

[Taken]

Yes he did. He rebuked the person who said he was a good teacher.

No, what you are saying did not occur.

A man called Jesus Good.
Jesus asked the man why he called Jesus good.
That was question. Not a rebuke.
Jesus did Not “say” the man was in error
Jesus Stated only God IS good.

Asking another WHY…they Say or Believe particular things…is a method to understand what another believes AND WHY they believe what they do.

Jesus reiterated ONLY God is Good…but never said that Good “did NOT apply to Him…”

As a matter of FACT…Jesus called Himself the “good” shepherd…

You cannot admit Jesus has a God, then deny its implications or pretend sometimes he is talking about himself. He explicitly said he is not God and implicitly said he is not good.

God Himself revealed…in the Beginning…
His Word, His Power ARE…”US” “OUR” Working together to Creat and Make for His Pleasure.

You should have Learned…the Name God gave His Word and the Title God gave His Power…

And should have Learned regardless of How many Names or Titles you are Called you are Still ONLY one man…as
Regardless of How many Names or Titles God is Called He Still is ONLY one God.

Gen 1:
[3] …God said…

Exactly WHOSE WORD was Spoken???

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

According to Scripture…Exactly WHO is Gods Word?

What is His Name ?

 

[David in NJ]

[Mat 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[Mar 10:18 KJV] 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.
[Luk 18:19 KJV] 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God.

Only One = Echad ELOHIM = SAME God from the Beginning

You did 'Right' by posting the Truth = 3 times

 

[MonoBiblical]

Only One = Echad ELOHIM = SAME God from the Beginning

You did 'Right' by posting the Truth = 3 times

I did not say Jesus is agathos, but his FATHER is.

 

[APAK]

Only One = Echad ELOHIM = SAME God from the Beginning

You did 'Right' by posting the Truth = 3 times

Do really know what other greater truth was said in those 3 verses that Mono listed? Read them again, 3x Jesus was saying he was NOT God. Does that shock you? He said only God is good and not him, or anyone else for that matter.

Let's read them again together:

[Mat 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[Mar 10:18 KJV] 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.
[Luk 18:19 KJV] 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God.

Now this was the one and only Jesus saying this right? There was not another double of himself floating in another inner or outer dimension, right?

 

[ProDeo]

I already showed you where Jesus said he is not good. Regarding whether Jesus is good is also an answer I already gave.

What an extreme interpretation of Scripture to fit your doctrine, apparently there are no limits to deny the divinity of Christ. Everybody understands what Christ meant, but not you?!

2 Corr 5:21 - For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

1 Petr 2:22 - He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.

U. Jesus died, which proves he is not God.

The Father wanted Him to die.

Who are you?

 

[ProDeo]

[Mat 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[Mar 10:18 KJV] 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.
[Luk 18:19 KJV] 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God.

Now this was the one and only Jesus saying this right? There was not another double of himself floating in another inner or outer dimension, right?

Extreme tunnel vision.

 

[APAK]

Extreme tunnel vision.

Is that also called ETV. I don't think I've heard of it. Did your shrink diagnose you with this disease then?...I hope it's not contagious. What are you taking to cope with it? Some meds that sends the mind into place of serenity, of a constant scene of images, of a rotating three-headed one god on a turntable: all three heads are speaking, thinking, deciding all in unison as clones of each other....... Makes my head hurt just thinking about it.. and who would be the one god?...

 

[ProDeo]

Is that also called ETV. I don't think I've heard of it. Did your shrink diagnose you with this disease then?...I hope it's not contagious. What are you taking to cope with it? Some meds that sends the mind into place of serenity, of a constant scene of images, of a rotating three-headed one god on a turntable: all three heads are speaking, thinking, deciding all in unison as clones of each other....... Makes my head hurt just thinking about it.. and who would be the one god?...

John 8:58 - Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 8:59 - So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Imagine that you are wrong after all, then basically you are like the Jews of that time, except you are stoning Him x times a day here in this forum.

 

[David in NJ]

Do really know what other greater truth was said in those 3 verses that Mono listed? Read them again, 3x Jesus was saying he was NOT God. Does that shock you? He said only God is good and not him, or anyone else for that matter.

Let's read them again together:

[Mat 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[Mar 10:18 KJV] 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.
[Luk 18:19 KJV] 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God.

Now this was the one and only Jesus saying this right? There was not another double of himself floating in another inner or outer dimension, right?

Dear APAK

JESUS just equated Himself with His Father as God

Please read again

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

21Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

 

[APAK]

Dear APAK

JESUS just equated Himself with His Father as God

Please read again

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

20The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

21Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

What does this mean...JESUS just equated Himself with His Father as God. So now you say Jesus = Father = God.....

Man, you're on the same pills as PD. Better get off 'em, could cause permanent damage where you think Jesus =s many more things....

 

[APAK]

John 8:58 - Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 8:59 - So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Imagine that you are wrong after all, then basically you are like the Jews of that time, except you are stoning Him x times a day here in this forum.

And you are very ignorant of what you write as well..truly, truly I say to you this in all honesty. You have not a clue in what you wrote....

 

[David in NJ]

What does this mean...JESUS just equated Himself with His Father as God. So now you say Jesus = Father = God.....

Man, you're on the same pills as PD. Better get off 'em, could cause permanent damage where you think Jesus =s many more things....

Who was JESUS before HE came to earth = "the Word was with God and the Word was God"

HE came from the FATHER = the "Word was God" and became flesh = JESUS is the only begotten Son of God

Beginning in Genesis chapter 1 , we are told that Elohim(Gods) are THREE and THEY are ONE

The first 3 verses show the 3 Elohim from One

Irrevocable TRUTH Beginning in Genesis = Elohim is THREE and Elohim is ECHAD

 

[RedFan]

Beginning in Genesis chapter 1 , we are told that Elohim(Gods) are THREE and THEY are ONE

The first 3 verses show the 3 Elohim from One

Irrevocable TRUTH Beginning in Genesis = Elohim is THREE and Elohim is ECHAD

I'm not seeing what you are seeing here. I'm seeing a plural noun (Elohim), which means two or more. You're seeing the same plural noun and declaring it means THREE. Not two. Not four. Not a hundred, But THREE.

As you know, I am a Trinitarian. But I cannot distill the Trinity from Genesis 1. How do you get there?

 

[MonoBiblical]

Dear APAK

JESUS just equated Himself with His Father as God

Please read again

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

I will give you Thayer's mean and you can decide what it means.

1. of good constitution or nature
2. useful, salutary
3. good, pleasant, agreeable, joyful, happy
4. excellent, distinguished
5. upright, honourable

akin to ἄγαμαι to wonder at, think highly of, ἀγαστός admirable, as explained by Plato, Crat., p. 412 c. [others besides; cf. Donaldson, New Crat. § 323]), in general denotes "perfectus,... qui habet in se ac facit omnia quae habere et facere debet pro notione nominis, officio ac lege" (Irmisch ad Herodian, 1, 4, p. 134), excelling in any respect, distinguished, good.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I'm not seeing what you are seeing here. I'm seeing a plural noun (Elohim), which means two or more. You're seeing the same plural noun and declaring it means THREE. Not two. Not four. Not a hundred, But THREE.

As you know, I am a Trinitarian. But I cannot distill the Trinity from Genesis 1. How do you get there?

I suggest you look at the magical Megillah 9a.12, and 9a.14 [on Sefaria]. The word for God in Hebrew was originally El not Elohim.