The 6th seal great tribulation

[Douggg]

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The persecution of the saints in Daniel 11:33-35 is a period of 3.5 years.A time,times and a half time.42 months.

A time,times and a half is not 2000 years.

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

The times, times, half time takes place in the end times.

Daniel 11:33-35 are transition verses from ancient times when Antiochus IV's troops placed a statue image of Zeus in the temple, in Daniel 11:31. Those transition verses cover 2000 years to the end times.

 

[Truth7t7]

When Jesus returns, Jesus will cause the statue image of the beast-king to burst into flames and turned to ashes

Douggg's Imagination is working over time again, where is this detailed claim found in the scripture?

 

[tailgator]

The false prophet will require everyone to worship the statue image of the beast-king who will claim to be god or be killed if they refuse. When the false prophet brings the statue image to life and it speaks - it will be because Satan will indwell the statue image.

A nuclear bomb or missile does not breathe or speak, nor is something that people will be forced to worship or die.

When Jesus returns, Jesus will cause the statue image of the beast-king to burst into flames and turned to ashes, exposing Satan there on the temple mount for all to see. Fulfilling Ezekiel 28:16-19.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.



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None of that has anything yo do with the great tribulation of the 6th seal.

This is when christians from all nations come out of great tribulation..

Revelation 7
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Now where do you see a stature running around killing everyone in revelation 6-7 6th seal ?

 

[tailgator]

The times, times, half time takes place in the end times.

Daniel 11:33-35 are transition verses from ancient times when Antiochus IV's troops placed a statue image of Zeus in the temple, in Daniel 11:31. Those transition verses cover 2000 years to the end times.

Do you even bother reading anything in scripture.
Daniel 11:33-35 says it is about end times.

Try reading verse 35 ,and this time pay attention to what that verse says.

 

[Douggg]

Non of that has anything yo do with the great tribulation of the 6th seal.

This is when christians from all nations come out of great tribulation..

Revelation 7
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Now where do you see a stature running around killing everyone in revelation 6-7 6th seal ?

The ones in Revelation 7:14 are the souls of saints martyred during the great tribulation.

The statue image of the beast does not run around killing anyone. The false prophet has residents of Jerusalem forcibly brought before the statue image on the temple mount, and those who refuse to worship the statue image of the beast will be killed by enforcement personnel under the false prophet's s command... killed by being beheaded (Revelation 20:4).

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

That's why them in Judaea are told by Jesus to flee to the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, in Matthew 24-15-21. The two witnesses, in Jerusalem, will be reminding people of what Jesus said during their 1260 days of testimony and prophesying. Flee when they see the abomination of desolation standing the holy place.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg's Imagination is working over time again, where is this detailed claim found in the scripture?

In Ezekiel 28:16-19.

 

[Douggg]

Do you even bother reading anything in scripture.
Daniel 11:33-35 says it is about end times.

Try reading verse 35 ,and this time pay attention to what that verse says.

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Daniel 11:
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

 

[tailgator]

The ones in Revelation 7:14 are the souls of saints martyred during the great tribulation.

The statue image of the beast does not run around killing anyone. The false prophet has the residents of Jerusalem forcibly brought before the statue image on the temple mount, and those who refuse to worship the statue image of the beast will be killed by enforcement personnel under the false prophet's s command... killed by being beheaded (Revelation 20:4).

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

That's why them in Judaea are told by Jesus to flee to the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, in Matthew 24-15-21. The two witnesses, in Jerusalem, will be reminding people of what Jesus said during their 1260 days of testimony and prophesying. Flee when they see the abomination of desolation standing the holy place.

The martyrs die before the 6th seal is opened.Before the great tribulation.

The great multitude which comes out of great tribulation during the 6th seal have not died.They are saved at the time of God's wrath in the 6th seal.

 

[tailgator]

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Daniel 11:
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

See your error?
You said the time of the end in Daniel 11:35 was thousands of years ago



35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.


There is 1290 days from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished to the day the abomination of desolation is set up.

The saints in Daniel 11:33 are only persecuted for a time ,times and a half time as Daniel 12 says..Not thousands of years.

 

[Douggg]

The martyrs die before the 6th seal is opened.Before the great tribulation.

The martyrs die during the great tribulation. During the 1335 days before Jesus returns. The 6th seal event is near the end of the great tribulation.

The great multitude which comes out of great tribulation during the 6th seal have not died.They are saved at the time of God's wrath in the 6th seal.

The great multitude in Revelation 7:14-17 are the souls of martyred great tribulation saints. Their souls are in heaven before the throne of God in those verses.

 

[Douggg]

See your error?
You said the time of the end in Daniel 11:35 was thousands of years ago

No, I did not say that. We are living in the time of the end.

There is 1290 days from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished to the day the abomination of desolation is set up.

The saints in Daniel 11:33 are only persecuted for a time ,times and a half time as Daniel 12 says..Not thousands of years.

No, that is not what Daniel 12:11 says. There are 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is stopped and the abomination of desolation set up.

 

[tailgator]

The martyrs die during the great tribulation. During the 1335 days before Jesus returns. The 6th seal event is near the end of the great tribulation.



The great multitude in Revelation 7:14-17 are the souls of martyred great tribulation saints. Their souls are in heaven before the throne of God in those verses.

The 6th seal is the great tribulation.

I think it's absurd that you believe someone making a stature kills more people than severe earthquakes,the stars of heaven falling to the earth.
You believe a statue kills hundreds of millions of people..That is so absurd that you believe all the flesh is destroyed by a statue.


Mathew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



Leave it up to you to believe Jesus has to come and rapture the living christians because someone made a statue.

 

[tailgator]

The martyrs die during the great tribulation. During the 1335 days before Jesus returns. The 6th seal event is near the end of the great tribulation.



The great multitude in Revelation 7:14-17 are the souls of martyred great tribulation saints. Their souls are in heaven before the throne of God in those verses.

The great multitudede have not died Doug.They are raptured.

 

[tailgator]

No, I did not say that. We are living in the time of the end.


No, that is not what Daniel 12:11 says. There are 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is stopped and the abomination of desolation set up.


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Here comes the king of the north Doug
You believe he going to build a stature so he can annihilate hundreds of millions of people with it

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.


Tell me Doug.
Is the statue going to be as big as the great fleet of ships he sends to the middle east ?Will the statue be as big as the USS Gerald R Ford?

 

[Douggg]

The 6th seal is the great tribulation.

I think it's absurd that you believe someone making a stature kills more people than severe earthquakes,the stars of heaven falling to the earth.
You believe a statue kills hundreds of millions of people..That is so absurd that you believe all the flesh is destroyed by a statue.

The 6th seal event will be at the end of the great tribulation and is Matthew 24:29-30a when the sign of the Son of man is seen in heaven.

No, them beheaded for refusing to worship the statue image of the beast-king, when brought before the statue image on the temple mount will not be hundreds of millions of people.

The hundreds of millions who die during the great tribulation will be because of the 7 trumpet plagues, and the 7 vials of God's wrath plagues poured out.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

Daniel 11:44, the beast king - king of the west - will be being attacked by the kings of the east and king of the north.

Tell me Doug.
Is the statue going to be as big as the great fleet of ships he sends to the middle east ?Will the statue be as big as the USS Gerald R Ford?

The statue image of the beast-king placed on the temple mount is not what causes the military actions in Daniel 11:40-44. Those military actions against the beast-king will be toward the end of the seven years. The beast-king - the king of the west - will likely be funneling all the middle east oil which the EU will be controlling at that time, to the west... i.e. to the EU and its alliances of the U.S. and Canada.

oil is necessary for the survival of the nations - so the king of the south, the kings of the east, and the king of the north will have no choice but to attack the beast-king to free up his strangle hold on the middle east oil.

 

[Truth7t7]

In Ezekiel 28:16-19.

Ezekiel 28:16-19 was fulfilled "Long Ago" when Nebuchadrezzar destroyed the king of Tyrus

Ezekiel 26:7KJV
7 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people.

Ezekiel 28:12KJV
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 28:16-19 was fulfilled "Long Ago" when Nebuchadrezzar destroyed king Tyrus

Ezekiel 26:7KJV
7 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people.

Ezekiel 28:12KJV
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

I do agree that Ezekiel 26 is talking about the literal city of Tyrus at the time of Nebuchadnezzar.

But....

The prince of Tyrus in Daniel 28:1-10 is a code name for the little horn revealed man of sin.
The king of Tyrus in Daniel 28:12-19 is a code name for Satan.

Both end times events, regarding two persons.

Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Was the literal city of Tyrus, ever in heaven ? Was the literal city of Tyrus a covering cherub ?

I think what is being said in Ezekiel 28 is that like what God did to the city of Tyrus historically in Ezekiel 26, God is going to do to the little horn revealed man of sin and Satan in the end times.

 

[tailgator]

The 6th seal event will be at the end of the great tribulation and is Matthew 24:29-30a when the sign of the Son of man is seen in heaven.

No, them beheaded for refusing to worship the statue image of the beast-king, when brought before the statue image on the temple mount will not be hundreds of millions of people.

The hundreds of millions who die during the great tribulation will be because of the 7 trumpet plagues, and the 7 vials of Go's wrath plagues poured out.

So you believe a few people being killed is great tribulation ,but hundreds of millions of people being killed is not great tribulation.

Sounds like you got your wires crossed.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel 11:44, the beast king - king of the west - will be being attacked by the kings of the east and king of the north.


The statue image of the beast-king placed on the temple mount is not what causes the military actions in Daniel 11:40-44. Those military actions against the beast-king will be toward the end of the seven years. The beast-king - the king of the west - will likely be funneling all the middle east oil which the EU will be controlling at that time, to the west... i.e. to the EU and its alliances of the U.S. and Canada.

oil is necessary for the survival of the nations - so the king of the south, the kings of the east, and the king of the north will have no choice but to attack the beast-king to free up his strangle hold on the middle east oil.


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There are no kings of the east and west in Daniel 11.There is only the king of the north and the king of the south in that chapter.

Now show me where this statue is set up in Jerusalem .Is it at the beginning of the persecution of the saints in Israel in Daniel 11:33,or is it at the time of great tribulation of n Daniel 12.1?


According to Jesus ,the AOD is set up at the time of great tribulation which is 3.5 years after the second beast arrives in Israel in Daniel 11:31.