Something about it being passed down at Alexandria. Perhaps, I misread something.
Why trust the "Early Fathers?"
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I’m definitely out of tiring out from just life sometimes itself. To me arguing and discord, is not of the Spirit. I do not personally see the Bible as authority but it does have the matters of what concerns God and what he has done for the world as well as the Son whom he had sent. I also don’t see a church as holding any type of authority though people can do what they want.
As I was talking with a woman this morning at work, in the end he is gonna assess the heart, we can’t mock God and we all reap what we sow be it to the flesh or to the spirit, and to me spiritual life matters the most, and people can have a spiritually filled life without having to go to a church.
That in the end is my opinion and no one has to agree, because all us eventually die at the cessation of life, and to, me, God will weigh the heart.
Ie; the soul of the individual.
As I was talking with a woman this morning at work, in the end he is gonna assess the heart, we can’t mock God and we all reap what we sow be it to the flesh or to the spirit, and to me spiritual life matters the most, and people can have a spiritually filled life without having to go to a church.
That in the end is my opinion and no one has to agree, because all us eventually die at the cessation of life, and to, me, God will weigh the heart.
Ie; the soul of the individual.
ScottA
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Why should I repeat what you have not acknowledged these many times, regarding what is written, while you repeat your erroneous position? If what you said were true, it would have begun with your repenting all that you have been denying. Will you not acknowledge your error?
Ronald Nolette
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!00% I agree as they are written. But what is your point? That the church in its declaration is infallible? that is a fallacy.
Ronald Nolette
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Sorry Matthew but you have jumped off the deep end without knowing how to swim.
You reject the deity of Christ
You reject that people exist after physical death,
and now you reject the bible as authority.
You say here you pick and choose what you wish to accept as authority. This is a man centerds approach tro God and not the God centered approach.
Jesus affimred the bible as the Word of God and so didn't Paul and James and John and Peter.
Ronald Nolette
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YOu obviously do not know Church history. Teh church was a real mess in teh first Century. It was divided between Jews and Gentiles.
Sects surrounding Paul, Peter, Apollos, James rose up. These were all believers in these divisions. Even when Constantine ended the persecutions. Many of the councils were near wars as to the disagreements- this was the church. The church is not an institution but an organism composed of believers.
And as for the reformation? God uses imperfect men to bring Him glory!
But as you appear to be Roman Catholic, do you agree wi9th the current pope? to bless gay unions, to call Muslim Imams brothers in Christ?
Did you agree with the Catholic Inquisition that murdered hundreds of thousands?
Did you agree with the Papal Crusades? Instead of evangelizing the Muslims- the popes raised armies to slaughter them?
Ronald Nolette
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Not in the least, the early church had many and varied doctrines until Constantine ended the persecutions and laid the seeds for the RCC. Which then ruled Europe and led to what used to be called the dark ages. There were many divergent voices in teh church until Rome put a stranglehold. To disagree with Rome and the Papal authority often meant death.
People have their opinions. I don’t really trust people, as much as I trust Yahavah, whom had sent his Son, Jesus, who died on the cross and was risen again by the Holy Spirit of God.
Some people live with a vendetta, is nothing new.
Some people live with a vendetta, is nothing new.
I don’t know where people get off telling people they aren’t saved or this or that. It’s the fleshly behavior. It’s like high school bullies picking on children. It’s not a strange behavior it’s definitely from the flesh though… it’s weird, why people can’t love others, but then again I haven’t loved everyone I met in my flesh either. It’s only through the strength of Jesus whom truly gets us to the point we are able to love our enemies and pray for them. Ultimately growing us to love our neighbor as ourselves.
Doctrine is not as important as love is.
“If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.”
1 Corinthians 13:2 NLT
Doctrine is not as important as love is.
“If I had the gift of prophecy, and if I understood all of God’s secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn’t love others, I would be nothing.”
1 Corinthians 13:2 NLT
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Those who do that were not able to respond with gentleness and respect for others.
I’m fixing to try to get some rest, hope you iight. I had to look that word up. Got some stomache medicine?
Dan Clarkston
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Yeah well... Jesus isn't back yet and the preterists still cannot understand why
Matthew 24:21-24
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders
The preterists will be the folks that get deceived by satan's end times fake signs, wonders, and false christ since they think the great tribulation has already passed.... they'll be first in line to get the mark of the beast andd bow do to the devil's fake christ
Dan Clarkston
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Dan Clarkston
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Well, whatever you do... do NOT read about Jesus' encounter with the pharisees and sadducees or about Steven's encounter in the Book of Acts.... some may claim Jesus and Steven were not walking in the Spirit since they were in discord and were being argumentative.
Uh huh, and the devil used the reformers to introduce doctrines of demons to deceive people leading them away from the Lord thru false doctrine.
Let's not forget the followers of calvin and luther that went around murdering people who refused to believe calvin and luther's fake "gospel"
There are many people whom do not see that this is being spoken to by specific people whom seen Jesus resurrected, and Jesus is explaining to them, what the signs that they would see and what the material nation of Isreal would expect to see when the Son of Man had returned (though those who were faithful and looking, waiting and watching would see him gather them). I just believe this happened in the past personally, but I do not accept everything a preterist may believe. I do believe Jesus was speaking the truth concerning his return and the end of that mosaic age that no longer exist anymore.
There are also people whom differ, and expect Jesus to return now today. It's between them and Yahavah ultimately, as personal beliefs are held in the heart. Many believe if Jesus has already come, what is the hope?
To me there is a lot of hope still, such as being heirs with Christ, being in the Kingdom of God after life, having newness of life in and through the Spirit of Christ, having a relationship with Yahavah/God, being a child of God, or Son or Daughter of Yahavah. I believe those things instill great hope, even in the face that Yeshua did return but no one has to believe it of course that is a personal choice.
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Dan Clarkston
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That's not what the scripture teaches
Those that believe the great tribulation already took place and Jesus has already returned... are ripe for deception because they already been deceived
No where in history has the anti-christ come and forced all people to take the mark of the beast
Jesus said the great tribulation would be the most destructive time in human history.... those thinking this happened in 70 AD fail to realize that WW1 and WW2 were far, far more destructive causing many, many more lives lost than what happened in 70 AD
These two points alone proves that the great tribulation and the man of sin has yet to happen.
Dan Clarkston
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Yes, which did not take place in 70 AD as the preterists claim.
WW1 and WW2 were far, far more destructive causing many, many more lives lost than what happened in 70 AD
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