Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

[David in NJ]

Even though I am a Christian, I accept that most of what the Bible says relies on its own internal witness. Much of its content is not falsifiable, so there is no way to truly debunk it or prove that something it says is wrong. That's actually a big part of why we can debate the Bible without anyone ever really winning or losing—it's one of the Bible's strengths. As far as it being the truth, yes, I believe it is, as a Christian, but ultimately, it's all about faith or trust. A major theme of the Bible is essentially, "Trust what I am saying and take my word for it," and that's it. So, without third-party verification of what the precise truth is, there should be signs or something that prove what it says is true.

@St. SteVen

It is all about faith in the Truth and Love

The WAY of the LORD
a.) Faith in His Word
b.) His Word is TRUTH
c.) DO NOT add or take away from His Words
d.) Love God with all your heart mind soul and strength
e.) Love your neighbor as yourself

 

[Taken]

Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" - John 18:37-38 NIV

Still a good question.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

JESUS

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[IronMaiden]

Truth? It’s God’s Word.

…but without the Holy Spirit, no one can know it. Why? no eyes to see and no ears to hear.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:13-14 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

 

[David in NJ]

JESUS

Glory to God,
Taken

Oh, that's too easy
That's something only a child can understand......................His Children

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh, that's too easy
That's something only a child can understand......................His Children

And yet many have made confusion of that which a simple child of GOD can see .
And in this final hour we see the peaking of where this was always leading too .
A world who through peace and false love will reap the vanity is has sown too .
For its peace WAS NOT OF GOD
its love came not of GOD
its solution to attain peace n safety came from anti christ . Even now are there many
anti christs whereby we KNOW its the last time indeed .

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh, that's too easy
That's something only a child can understand......................His Children

As with every WORD of GOD there is REASON WHY GOD SPOKE and INSPIRED THEM WORDS .
and it would be wise to take heed unto them .
So now i leave us with a reminder OF GOD .
cursed is he whose hope is in man ,
blessed is he whose hope be IN GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh, that's too easy
That's something only a child can understand......................His Children

HOPE THOU IN GOD .
THUS HOPE IN CHRIST .
but a man might say , HEY amigo you silly thing Christ was but a man .
TO WHICH I would reply and say , Dear friends HE was before all that was created was
and through HIM was all created that even is .

 

[amigo de christo]

To the trenches one and all
let all heed Gods final call .
Preach JESUS the CHRIST to the last breath . cause nutting else gonna save one soul .

 

[Marvelloustime]

And yet many have made confusion of that which a simple child of GOD can see .
And in this final hour we see the peaking of where this was always leading too .
A world who through peace and false love will reap the vanity is has sown too .
For its peace WAS NOT OF GOD
its love came not of GOD
its solution to attain peace n safety came from anti christ . Even now are there many
anti christs whereby we KNOW its the last time indeed .

@amigo de christo

 

[Windmill Charge]

i did answer . i said we do pray for all . we do have fellowship etc . you just dont like the NO deal part .
and i did say NO church is perfect , no christain etc . BUT THE DOCTRINE MUST BE .

No church is perfect so it follows that no churches doctrine is perfect.
Equally you may claim that your doctrine is perfect, how does anyone know if you are not an active member of an imperfect church fellowship ping with other saved sinners.

 

[David in NJ]

JESUS

Glory to God,
Taken

Now you have me thinking, my Brother in Christ Jesus our Lord

How can a mere man be 'Truth' ????

Since "all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of Elohim" , how then can a 'man' be the Way the Truth and the Life???

Unless................................Do we know where this 'man' who represents Truth = where He came from???

Now some of them from Jerusalem said, “Is this not He whom they seek to kill?
But look! He speaks boldly, and they say nothing to Him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is truly the Christ?
However, we know where this Man is from; but when the Christ comes, no one knows where He is from.” - John 7:25

@Wrangler @face2face @Aunty Jane = Do you know where JESUS came from???

 

[amigo de christo]

No church is perfect so it follows that no churches doctrine is perfect.
Equally you may claim that your doctrine is perfect, how does anyone know if you are not an active member of an imperfect church fellowship ping with other saved sinners.

BIBLICAL DOCTRINE IS PERFECT . GET BUSY PREACHING THAT . NO DEAL my friend .
You wont be swaying me .
I KNOW no church is perfect
and BY GOLLY I KNOW THEYS DOCTRINE IS FAR FROM PERFECT
THAT IS A KEY PROBLEM friend .
BUT by grace i also know , EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PERFECT
GET BUSY reading the BIBLE again
GET busy preaching the words in that bible to them churches again .
NO DEAL . sorry if that seems offensive . BUT if the doctrine aint perfect
IF leaven is within it , NO DEAL .
BIBLE TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now you have me thinking, my Brother in Christ Jesus our Lord

How can a mere man be 'Truth' ????

Since "all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of Elohim" , how then can a 'man' be the Way the Truth and the Life???

Unless................................Do we know where this 'man' who represents Truth = where He came from???

Now some of them from Jerusalem said, “Is this not He whom they seek to kill?
But look! He speaks boldly, and they say nothing to Him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is truly the Christ?
However, we know where this Man is from; but when the Christ comes, no one knows where He is from.” - John 7:25

@Wrangler @face2face @Aunty Jane = Do you know where JESUS came from???

The blind man who was given sight , who had been born blind and JESUS had healed
GO TO AND BEHOLD the words said in that conversation .
WE KNOW MOSES , we KNOW HE IS OF GOD , but we know not FROM WHENCE This JESUS came .
AND THE BLIND MAN WHO NOW SAW said the most beautfiul thing .
what did that blind man tell them .
NEVER HEED A WORD of those who deny GOD .
but do beware for many who claim the diety of CHRIST are also headed RIGHT INTO INTERFAITH .
THEY LIP , BUT HE IS FAR FROM THEIR HEART .

 

[Marvelloustime]

BIBLICAL DOCTRINE IS PERFECT . GET BUSY PREACHING THAT . NO DEAL my friend .
You wont be swaying me .
I KNOW no church is perfect
and BY GOLLY I KNOW THEYS DOCTRINE IS FAR FROM PERFECT
THAT IS A KEY PROBLEM friend .
BUT by grace i also know , EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PERFECT
GET BUSY reading the BIBLE again
GET busy preaching the words in that bible to them churches again .
NO DEAL . sorry if that seems offensive . BUT if the doctrine aint perfect
IF leaven is within it , NO DEAL .
BIBLE TIME .

@amigo de christo

 

[Runningman]

I disagree.
Plenty of the Bible is indeed falsifiable. Contradictions abound.
The problem from my POV is trusting in God apart from the Bible and Christian doctrine.

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God exists independently of the Bible and isn't limited by it. Yes I believe it's possible to trust in God apart from Christian doctrine. Ever ask a Calvinist how people got saved before TULIP was invented? The answer may surprise you.

 

[David in NJ]

@amigo de christo
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Did you know that Elohim UPdated this passage of scripture.

So, when they had come together, they began asking Him, saying, “Lord, is it at this time that You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?”
But He said to them, “It is not for you to know periods of time or appointed times which the Father has set by His own authority; but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and Samaria, and as far as the remotest part of the earth.” - Acts 1

 

[St. SteVen]

God exists independently of the Bible and isn't limited by it. Yes I believe it's possible to trust in God apart from Christian doctrine.

Agree.

Ever ask a Calvinist how people got saved before TULIP was invented? The answer may surprise you.

No, I never have. What would they say?

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[David in NJ]

Agree.


No, I never have. What would they say?

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@Runningman

Where does God exist???

But will God indeed dwell on the earth?
Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You.
How much less this temple which I have built! 1Kings 8:27

 

[Runningman]

Agree.


No, I never have. What would they say?

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I believe the answer is that they would say one can't be saved without the tenets of Calvinism, at least that would be the argument.

 

[David in NJ]

God exists independently of the Bible and isn't limited by it. Yes I believe it's possible to trust in God apart from Christian doctrine. Ever ask a Calvinist how people got saved before TULIP was invented? The answer may surprise you.

Yes I believe it's possible to trust in God apart from Christian doctrine.

Consider this:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

He/Word/Christ is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.