THE GOSPEL

[LoveYeshua]

This is the gospel by which we are saved.

1 Corinthians 15 contains Paul's gospel:

[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

We are all sinners who cannot save ourselves.

See Romans 3:23 Titus 3:5 Romans 5:6

[Rom 3:23 KJV] 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

[Rom 5:6 KJV] 6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute; He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice.

See 2 Corinthians 5:21 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26

[2Co 5:21 KJV] 21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[Rom 3:24-26 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

He was buried.

He rose again for our justification (to declare us righteous) and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life.

See Romans 4:25 Ephesians 1:7 Romans 4:22 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 1 Corinthians 1:30

[Rom 4:22-25 KJV] 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

[Eph 1:7 KJV] 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

[1Co 1:30 KJV] 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

All we have to do is believe the gospel.

See Romans 4:5 1 Corinthians 1:21 Ephesians 1:13

[Rom 4:5 KJV] 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

[1Co 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

[Eph 1:13 KJV] 13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Believing is being persuaded that something is true.

See Romans 4:20-22

[Rom 4:20-22 KJV] 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

The moment you believe you have eternal life.

Titus 1:1 Titus 1:2 Titus 3:7

[Tit 1:1-2 KJV] 1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

[Tit 3:7 KJV] 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Trust the gospel of your salvation. Place your faith in Jesus Christ, in his blood, in his death and his resurrection.

Dear Doug, my Paulinist friend

You are blind to the gospel of Christ and why he came,

Let's start with John the Baptist’s life and ministry, they were deeply rooted in Old Testament prophecy, and his role as the forerunner to Jesus was divinely appointed. Several prophetic scriptures point to his unique purpose, calling the people to repentance and preparing them for the coming of the Messiah.

The first major prophecy about John comes from Isaiah 40:3-5, which speaks of a "voice in the wilderness" preparing the way for the Lord:

"The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Every valley shall be exalted, And every mountain and hill brought low; The crooked places shall be made straight, And the rough places smooth; The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, And all flesh shall see it together; For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.'" (NKJV)

This prophecy is fulfilled in John the Baptist, who preached a message of repentance, urging the people to prepare their hearts for the coming of Jesus, the Savior. John’s mission was to smooth the spiritual path for the Lord, making it ready for the establishment of His Kingdom.

Another prophecy comes from Malachi 3:1, which speaks of a messenger who will prepare the way before the Lord:

"Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming," Says the Lord of hosts. (NKJV)

This is also applied to John the Baptist in the New Testament, who fulfilled the role of the "messenger" who prepared the people for the arrival of Jesus, the Lord and the fulfillment of the covenant.

In Luke 1:13-17, the angel Gabriel speaks to Zechariah, the father of John, and reveals the divine calling that John will have:

"But the angel said to him, 'Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, 'to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.'" (NKJV)

This prophecy emphasizes John’s significant role in turning people’s hearts back to God, much like the prophet Elijah, and preparing them for the arrival of the Lord. It also highlights that John would be filled with the Holy Spirit from birth, underscoring his special calling.

Furthermore, Jesus' gospel has the same message that John preached. When Jesus began His ministry, He proclaimed the same message of repentance and the nearness of the Kingdom of Heaven. In Matthew 4:17, Jesus begins His public ministry with these words:


"From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'" (NKJV)

This message echoes John’s call to repentance in preparation for the Kingdom of God. Both John and Jesus emphasized that repentance is essential for entering the Kingdom, and both called people to change their hearts and align their lives with God's will.

Thus, the prophetic words about John the Baptist find their fulfillment in his life and ministry. John’s mission was to prepare the hearts of the people through repentance, making them ready for the arrival of Jesus and the coming of God’s Kingdom. Jesus’ message then continued this call, urging people to repent and embrace the Kingdom of Heaven, which had drawn near in Him. Both John's and Jesus' ministries were inextricably linked by the central themes of repentance and the Kingdom of Heaven, marking the beginning of a new era in God's plan for salvation.

This is the only Gospel for all who love God and do his will.

Blessings.

 

[Doug]

This is the only Gospel for all who love God and do his will.

The gospel of the kingdom was preached to Israel. It is the Davidic kingdom on earth entered by the believing remnant of Israel.

[Eze 37:24-28 KJV] 24 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

 

[GracePeace]

This is the gospel by which we are saved.

1 Corinthians 15 contains Paul's gospel:

[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

We are all sinners who cannot save ourselves.

See Romans 3:23 Titus 3:5 Romans 5:6

[Rom 3:23 KJV] 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

[Rom 5:6 KJV] 6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute; He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice.

See 2 Corinthians 5:21 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26

[2Co 5:21 KJV] 21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[Rom 3:24-26 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

He was buried.

He rose again for our justification (to declare us righteous) and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life.

See Romans 4:25 Ephesians 1:7 Romans 4:22 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 1 Corinthians 1:30

[Rom 4:22-25 KJV] 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

[Eph 1:7 KJV] 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

[1Co 1:30 KJV] 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

All we have to do is believe the gospel.

See Romans 4:5 1 Corinthians 1:21 Ephesians 1:13

[Rom 4:5 KJV] 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

[1Co 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

[Eph 1:13 KJV] 13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Believing is being persuaded that something is true.

See Romans 4:20-22

[Rom 4:20-22 KJV] 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

The moment you believe you have eternal life.

Titus 1:1 Titus 1:2 Titus 3:7

[Tit 1:1-2 KJV] 1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

[Tit 3:7 KJV] 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Trust the gospel of your salvation. Place your faith in Jesus Christ, in his blood, in his death and his resurrection.

The Galatians didn't deny Christ's death and resurrection, but they sought maturity/perfection by being under the Law of Moses, and, somehow, by doing this, their belief in Christ's death and resurrection was being invalidated, so that they were departing from God (Gal 1:6), because of believing a message that did not come from God (Gal 5:7,8).

I thought that this was an interesting dynamic... you can have a valid profession (they had received the Spirit (Gal 3)), but you can believe some additional thing that actually goes ahead and invalidates your previously valid profession, and you may not know it (apparently, the Galatians weren't aware).

 

[LoveYeshua]

The gospel of the kingdom was preached to Israel. It is the Davidic kingdom on earth entered by the believing remnant of Israel.

[Eze 37:24-28 KJV] 24 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

OK so it means no kingdom of heaven for you then since you are not an israelite, it this what you think? is this what you want?

 

[Doug]

The Galatians didn't deny Christ's death and resurrection, but they sought maturity/perfection by being under the Law of Moses, and, somehow, by doing this, their belief in Christ's death and resurrection was being invalidated, so that they were departing from God (Gal 1:6), because of believing a message that did not come from God (Gal 5:7,8).

I thought that this was an interesting dynamic... you can have a valid profession (they had received the Spirit (Gal 3)), but you can believe some additional thing that actually goes ahead and invalidates your previously valid profession, and you may not know it (apparently, the Galatians weren't aware).

[Gal 5:4 KJV] 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

They were saved but Christ would not profit them if they followed the law for sanctification

 

[Doug]

OK so it means no kingdom of heaven for you then since you are not an israelite, it this what you think? is this what you want?

Israel is promised a kingdom on earth
The Body of Christ in this dispensation of grace is told we have been given the heavenly places

 

[LoveYeshua]

Israel is promised a kingdom on earth
The Body of Christ in this dispensation of grace is told we have been given the heavenly places

what heavenly places? what are you referring to.

 

[GracePeace]

[Gal 5:4 KJV] 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

They were saved but Christ would not profit them if they followed the law for sanctification

Right, but the next question would be why that is. How is seeking justification by the Law a negation of their faith in Christ? I have answers, but I want to perfectly understand the general principle so that it applies to me--and perhaps move othersto consider these things.

What's the difference between being under Law versus reading the NT and striving to do the things written in it?

 

[Doug]

what heavenly places? what are you referring to.

Here are the verses...any further questions please ask

[Eph 1:3, 20 KJV] 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: ... 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places],
[Eph 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
[Eph 3:10 KJV] 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly [places] might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Right, but the next question would be why that is. How is seeking justification by the Law a negation of their faith in Christ? I have answers, but I want to perfectly understand the general principle so that it applies to me--and perhaps move othersto consider these things.

Good question

[Gal 2:21 KJV] 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

I think this verse answers it

 

[Doug]

What's the difference between being under Law versus reading the NT and striving to do the things written in it?

The new testament is Matthew Luke Mark and John
Is this what you mean?

 

[GracePeace]

The new testament is Matthew Luke Mark and John
Is this what you mean?

No, by "New Testament", I mean all of those writings that are included in the compilation we Christians have come to call "The New Testament".

 

[Doug]

No, by "New Testament", I mean all of those writings that are included in the compilation we Christians have come to call "The New Testament".

The only new testament was the 4 gospels Matthew Luke Mark John
Pauline epistles are not new testament

We are to obey the commandments given to Paul by Jesus through Paul by the Spirit. We believe what He wrote and obey it

 

[GracePeace]

The only new testament was the 4 gospels Matthew Luke Mark John
Pauline epistles are not new testament

Irrespectively (it's not really the point)...

We are to obey the commandments given to Paul by Jesus through Paul by the Spirit. We believe what He wrote and obey it

I just wondered what the difference would be or if someone could be "under the Law" in a sense in seeking to obey all of these commands just as if he tried to obey the commands in the Law.

 

[LoveYeshua]

The only new testament was the 4 gospels Matthew Luke Mark John
Pauline epistles are not new testament

We are to obey the commandments given to Paul by Jesus through Paul by the Spirit. We believe what He wrote and obey it

NO, we are to obey all that Jesus the son of GOD asked us to do. there are differences please read Luke, matthew, john and mark.

Matthew 16:24​

Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me."

John 10:27​

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

John 10:5​

Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.

Why do you follow Paul instead of Jesus the son of GOD, do you not know Jesus is the Master and much greater than paul a mere servant and far less important then The son of GOD.?

Also Doug, when people say the New testament in the bible, they refer to all the books from Matthew to the book of revelations.

 

[Doug]

I just wondered what the difference would be or if someone could be "under the Law" in a sense in seeking to obey all of these commands just as if he tried to obey the commands in the Law.

Sorry I dont understand what you are saying

 

[GracePeace]

Sorry I dont understand what you are saying

OK
The issue with being "under the Law" is that it is a righteousness of one's own, being that it emanates from the flesh (Ro 8:3; Gal 3:3), so isn't it also possible that someone could try to do the commands we all think apply to us in the New Covenant in our own power, apart from grace, as well?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Israel is promised a kingdom on earth
The Body of Christ in this dispensation of grace is told we have been given the heavenly places

the Bible stated there will be, When Jesus returns at the end times, a Kingdom on earth, this Kingdom and all the earth will be ruled by Jesus, it is in prophecy ( see Jeremiah and others ) All the lost tribes of Israel will be found and will return to the promised land yes But also all people who want to be there, the believers can also go. After 1000 years, of this millenial kingdom Satan will be released for a bit ( to time frame is specified ) and go to war with GOD, he will then be defeated by Jesus and his armies and judged and thrown in the lake of fire that is the second death. After this, the book of revelations mentions an ETERNAL kingdom of Heaven for ALL believers Israel and also gentiles, all who love GOD. there are at this time no distinctions to be made between Jews and gentilesm as it was explained to Peter who preached to the gentiles. I wrote this below a little while ago;

The story of Peter preaching to the Gentiles is a significant turning point in the early church, marking the inclusion of non-Jews in the salvation offered through Jesus Christ. The key events unfold primarily in the Book of Acts.


It begins with Peter’s vision in Acts 10:9-16, where he is shown a sheet filled with unclean animals and is told by God to rise, kill, and eat. Peter initially resists, as he has never eaten anything unclean. However, God instructs him that what He has cleansed, Peter should not call common, signifying that Gentiles, who were considered unclean by Jewish standards, were now accepted by God. At the same time, God directs a Roman centurion named Cornelius, who was a God-fearing Gentile, to send for Peter.


Peter then travels to Cornelius’ house in Acts 10:34-48, where he preaches the gospel to Cornelius and his household. As he speaks, the Holy Spirit falls upon them, and they begin speaking in tongues, just as the Jewish believers had done at Pentecost. This miraculous event convinces Peter that God has granted the Gentiles repentance and salvation. He immediately orders their baptism, confirming that the gift of the Holy Spirit is not limited to Jews but is also available to the Gentiles.


After these events, Peter returns to Jerusalem, where some of the believers express concern about his association with Gentiles. In Acts 11:1-18, Peter explains the vision he received and the way in which the Holy Spirit was poured out on the Gentiles, just as it had been on the Jewish believers at the beginning. He tells them that God has shown no partiality and has granted repentance and salvation to the Gentiles. As a result, the Jerusalem believers are persuaded, and they praise God for opening the door of salvation to the Gentiles.

The issue of Gentile salvation is later addressed at the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:7-11, where Peter reaffirms that God, who knows the hearts of people, gave the Holy Spirit to the Gentiles. He emphasizes that salvation comes through the grace of Jesus Christ, not through the observance of the law of Moses, and that both Jews and Gentiles are saved in the same way.

Peter helps the early church realize that Gentiles, too, can receive the gospel and be included in the Kingdom of God.

Salvation is the same for both Jews ans gentiles and the Kingdom of Heaven is for both Jews and gentiles.

Blessings.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Irrespectively (it's not really the point)...

I just wondered what the difference would be or if someone could be "under the Law" in a sense in seeking to obey all of these commands just as if he tried to obey the commands in the Law.

Gracepeace, what is to you the law? is it the laws given to the israelites through Moses, or is it the Law given by GOD himself on the permanent tablets of stone, the 10 Commandments that represent the covenant, placed in the ark of the covenant? Please note that the law of Moses was placed OUTDIDE the ark of the covenant. the 10 commandments are different and are also called the Moral law.

Blessings.

 

[GracePeace]

Gracepeace, what is to you the law? is it the laws given to the israelites through Moses, or is it the Law given by GOD himself on the permanent tablets of stone, the 10 Commandments that represent the covenant, placed in the ark of the covenant? Please note that the law of Moses was placed OUTDIDE the ark of the covenant. the 10 commandments are different and are also called the Moral law.

Blessings.

No, when Paul argues that we are not under Law, he describes the works of the Law as that through which we come to know sin, and he then says he would not have known what it was to covet had the Law not said "thou shalt not covet", so when he comes to know sin of coveting through the Law, that means the prohibition against coveting (one of the 10) is included in that which partakers of the New Covenant are not under.

 

[Doug]

OK
The issue with being "under the Law" is that it is a righteousness of one's own, being that it emanates from the flesh (Ro 8:3; Gal 3:3), so isn't it also possible that someone could try to do the commands we all think apply to us in the New Covenant in our own power, apart from grace, as well?

If we are led by the Spirit through the word of God we will be obeying His word
[Gal 5:25 KJV] 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

[Rom 8:9 KJV] 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.