If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?

[Skovand]

I don't "think", but know that it is God who defines His own word, and when and where it is applicable. In this case, it is applicable to your mocking God by mocking the idea that what I have told you is from God, and that you are in a position to challenge it.

I don't "think"

I agree with you on that. Your words, not mine.

 

[Skovand]

How old was David when he fought Goliath?

Scripture gives us stronger clues regarding David’s age when he fought Goliath. While the Philistines were at war with Saul, their giant, Goliath, taunted the armies of Israel daily. But none of the Hebrew soldiers had the courage to face Goliath one on one.

At this time, David’s three oldest brothers were serving on the battle lines. David was sent to them by his father to deliver provisions. When David heard the defiant words of Goliath, he was grievously offended and told King Saul he would stand up and fight against Goliath. “Don’t be ridiculous!” was Saul’s reply. “There’s no way you can fight this Philistine and possibly win! You’re only a boy, and he’s been a man of war since his youth” (1 Samuel 17:33, NLT).

The term Saul used here to describe David’s age is broad and can refer to anything from an infant to an adolescent. David was most likely a teenager, probably 16–19 years old. The fact that David was not yet serving in the army tells us he was definitely under 20 (see Numbers 1:3).

Likewise, since Scripture says that David’s three oldest brothers were in the army (1 Samuel 17:13), we know they were 20 years or older. That leaves four brothers between them and David, strengthening the notion that David was a teenager when he fought Goliath.
Source: Got Questions

Also can you show the verses in 1 Samuel 17 where Saul knew David before calling him in? When do we see the verse showing Saul recognized David?

Why was David called a warrior man who became his armour bearer in chapter 16 but was called a boy who was not a warrior and could not bear Saul’s armour in chapter 17?

 

[RLT63]

Also can you show the verses in 1 Samuel 17 where Saul knew David before calling him in? When do we see the verse showing Saul recognized David?

Why was David called a warrior man who became his armour bearer in chapter 16 but was called a boy who was not a warrior and could not bear Saul’s armour in chapter 17?

David had not tested Saul's armor, it may not be that it was too big for him but that it was not what had worked for him in the past.
He went with what he knew had worked when he killed the lion and the bear

1Sa 17:39 - And David girded his sword upon his armour, and he assayed to go; for he had not proved it. And David said unto Saul, I cannot go with these; for I have not proved them. And David put them off him.
Also in the KJV David is called a youth, not a boy

 

[RLT63]

So again. What I am going off of is the Bible.

There are two different accounts of David a meeting Saul. I’ve already highlighted it as clear as it can be.

In chapter 16 Saul did not know who David was and David was called a valiant warrior man. Saul made him his armour bearer which means he lived with him and carried his armour into battle and kept it in good shape after they met wjen David drove out the evil spirit. Saul knew who David’s dad was and Saul said David was someone he loved.

In chapter 17 Saul did not know who David was. David met Saul after Saul called for him about his claims to fight Goliath. Then Saul met David and said you can’t fight you are a boy. David is no longer a man or a warrior. David tells him I’ve killed bears. Saul tried to give David his armour but David said he is not familiar with it it’s to heavy. David went from a man who’s used Saul’s armour to a boy who could not even move in it. Saul did not know David and Saul did not know his dad.

It’s clear. The only people who don’t see it as clear are those with an agenda to hide from the truth.

Already addressed this

 

[Skovand]

Already addressed this

Sure. You addressed it with dishonesty ignoring the questions that were asked. It was sloppy. You filled it with presumptions. You know it and I know it. With cheap answers, that were not even actually answers.

Instead of answering why was he called a valiant warrior in one who was strong enough to carry the armour and stand before the kind in battle reserved for the most deadliest skilled soldiers and in the next chapter he’s called a boy, who can’t even move in the armour and Saul did not know who he was. He had to find out who he was and who his dad is.

What you need to do is forget the childish things like “got answers” and look at the actual data. This is not new. This glaring contradiction has been there for over 2,000 years. For 2,000 years Hebrew scholars have highlighted this as a biblical seam. Look at the arguments about Masoretic texts and Septuagint texts and how ancient collections are not the same.

One group of Jews , ruled by the Kings , had a Bible where David met Saul on the battlefield killing the 9 foot giant. There was no harp. The other “Bible” collection had David and Saul meeting when David played a flute for Saul. In that collection David never fought Goliath. Someone else did.

2 Samuel 21:19
Then there was another battle with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

Go look at GotQuestions again. Look at their blatant lies.

They say…. Oh well it means brother of and a scribe made a mistake. Ok…. Where is the manuscripts then that we translated that shows this error not occurring?

Look at the dozens of different stories between Kings, Chronicles and Samuel. Some manuscripts have Goliath at 9 foot and some at 6.

You can’t enter the Bible with heavy presumptions but have to let the literature speak for itself .

 

[RLT63]

Sure. You addressed it with dishonesty ignoring the questions that were asked. It was sloppy. You filled it with presumptions. You know it and I know it. With cheap answers, that were not even actually answers.

Instead of answering why was he called a valiant warrior in one who was strong enough to carry the armour and stand before the kind in battle reserved for the most deadliest skilled soldiers and in the next chapter he’s called a boy, who can’t even move in the armour and Saul did not know who he was. He had to find out who he was and who his dad is.

What you need to do is forget the childish things like “got answers” and look at the actual data. This is not new. This glaring contradiction has been there for over 2,000 years. For 2,000 years Hebrew scholars have highlighted this as a biblical seam. Look at the arguments about Masoretic texts and Septuagint texts and how ancient collections are not the same.

One group of Jews , ruled by the Kings , had a Bible where David met Saul on the battlefield killing the 9 foot giant. There was no harp. The other “Bible” collection had David and Saul meeting when David played a flute for Saul. In that collection David never fought Goliath. Someone else did.

2 Samuel 21:19
Then there was another battle with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

Go look at GotQuestions again. Look at their blatant lies.

They say…. Oh well it means brother of and a scribe made a mistake. Ok…. Where is the manuscripts then that we translated that shows this error not occurring?

Look at the dozens of different stories between Kings, Chronicles and Samuel. Some manuscripts have Goliath at 9 foot and some at 6.

You can’t enter the Bible with heavy presumptions but have to let the literature speak for itself .

A copyist's error,
2Sa 21:19 - And there was again a battle in Gobwith the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver'sbeam.

 

[RLT63]

Who killed Goliath, David or Elhanan?​

The record of Goliath’s defeat at the hand of David is found in 1 Samuel 17. However, a verse in 2 Samuel seems to name Elhanan, instead of David, as the one who toppled Goliath.

Here’s what’s clear: 1 Samuel 17:50 says that David killed Goliath: “So David triumphed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone; without a sword in his hand he struck down the Philistine and killed him.” The “Philistine” in this verse is identified as Goliath in verse 4.

Here’s what’s not so clear: in some translations, 2 Samuel 21:19 seems to indicate that it was Elhanan, not David, who killed the giant: “And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam” (ESV). The size of Goliath’s spear shaft is a detail shared by both passages. The obvious difference is who killed Goliath—was it David or Elhanan?

Unless David and Elhanan are different names for the same person—or there were two giants named Goliath—these verses seem to contradict each other. Bringing clarity to the issue is 1Chronicles 20:5, which says, “In another battle with the Philistines, Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.” This verse repeats the detail of the size of the spear shaft, and it clearly says that Elhanan killed Goliath’s brother, rather than Goliath himself.

Why the discrepancy? Why does 2 Samuel 21:19 say that Elhanan killed Goliath? One viable theory is that, somewhere in the chain of copying the text, a scribe made a mistake. The Hebrew word for “the brother of” was miswritten, which changed the grammar of the sentence and led to a problematic sentence structure for the next scribe. The second scribe’s attempt to solve the syntactical puzzle produced a reading that omitted the important detail of Goliath’s brother.

Fortunately, we have 1 Chronicles 20:5, which contains the correct Hebrew wording and informs us, through implication, that 2 Samuel 21:19 is missing the words the brother of. We can be confident that David killed Goliath. Elhanan later killed Goliath’s brother.

Further, the context of 2 Samuel 21:19makes it clear that it is describing an entirely separate event from David’s slaying of Goliath in 1 Samuel 17:50. Second Samuel 21:11–14 puts the passage after the death of Saul, who was alive when David killed Goliath (1 Samuel 17:31–39, 55–58). Second Samuel 21:15–17 indicates that Elhanan killed “Goliath” when David was the king of Israel, not when he was a servant of King Saul.

For a more detailed explanation of this likely scribal error, we recommend this article in Bible Study Magazine.

 

[Skovand]

A copyist's error,
2Sa 21:19 - And there was again a battle in Gobwith the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver'sbeam.

Ok.
So if it’s a copyist error can you show me the earlier manuscripts without that error?

Listen, it’s a bit immature to just copy and paste an article that I already mentioned to you. If I already mentioned it to you, then that means I’m already aware of the article.

Again. Since we have no manuscripts without that “error” except for collections without the entire story, that means the presumption is that it must have been an error, is not based off of any evidence.

 

[RLT63]

Sure. You addressed it with dishonesty ignoring the questions that were asked. It was sloppy. You filled it with presumptions. You know it and I know it. With cheap answers, that were not even actually answers.

Instead of answering why was he called a valiant warrior in one who was strong enough to carry the armour and stand before the kind in battle reserved for the most deadliest skilled soldiers and in the next chapter he’s called a boy, who can’t even move in the armour and Saul did not know who he was. He had to find out who he was and who his dad is.

What you need to do is forget the childish things like “got answers” and look at the actual data. This is not new. This glaring contradiction has been there for over 2,000 years. For 2,000 years Hebrew scholars have highlighted this as a biblical seam. Look at the arguments about Masoretic texts and Septuagint texts and how ancient collections are not the same.

One group of Jews , ruled by the Kings , had a Bible where David met Saul on the battlefield killing the 9 foot giant. There was no harp. The other “Bible” collection had David and Saul meeting when David played a flute for Saul. In that collection David never fought Goliath. Someone else did.

2 Samuel 21:19
Then there was another battle with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

Go look at GotQuestions again. Look at their blatant lies.

They say…. Oh well it means brother of and a scribe made a mistake. Ok…. Where is the manuscripts then that we translated that shows this error not occurring?

Look at the dozens of different stories between Kings, Chronicles and Samuel. Some manuscripts have Goliath at 9 foot and some at 6.

You can’t enter the Bible with heavy presumptions but have to let the literature speak for itself .

I've found myself in agreement with you on some things but it's clear that you are arrogant and though you study from a variety of sources you are actually quite close minded and seem to think that you are the only one who has the correct interpretation.
When you can address a post without insults and condescending I'll be happy to have a conversation

 

[RLT63]

Ok.
So if it’s a copyist error can you show me the earlier manuscripts without that error?

Listen, it’s a bit immature to just copy and paste an article that I already mentioned to you. If I already mentioned it to you, then that means I’m already aware of the article.

Again. Since we have no manuscripts without that “error” except for collections without the entire story, that means the presumption is that it must have been an error, is not based off of any evidence.

I'm not saying you are wrong I am just providing more information, you and I are not the only ones reading this
Other people may want to see another point of view.
I'm not trying to prove you wrong

 

[RLT63]

Ok.
So if it’s a copyist error can you show me the earlier manuscripts without that error?

Listen, it’s a bit immature to just copy and paste an article that I already mentioned to you. If I already mentioned it to you, then that means I’m already aware of the article.

Again. Since we have no manuscripts without that “error” except for collections without the entire story, that means the presumption is that it must have been an error, is not based off of any evidence.

Maybe it's not a copyists error but you have another verse that confirms that it was the brother of Goliath, so isn't it possible that this is correct
Tools
1Ch 20:5 - And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staffwas like a weaver's beam.

 

[Skovand]

It’s still cheap answers and I’m not saying that from arrogance. I’m saying that from experience.

If you want to claim that it’s based off a scribal mistake, even though that makes nonsense, then what is the source showing earlier manuscripts without that mistake? Some dude, not a biblical scholar, made up the scribal mistake answer based on their presumptions it’s a linear story.

Here is a far better explanation.

The Men Who Killed Goliath: Unraveling the Layers of Tradition behind a Timeless Tale of Heroism

There might be no Old Testament story more popular or seared more deeply into Western consciousness than the legend of David and Goliath. It is surprising, then, how few people (aside from scholars…

isthatinthebible.wordpress.com

You said you answered the questions. You did not. You danced around them and said nonsense like “ could be any age from infant to young adult and blah blah. That’s not even answering the question and it completely ignores like 20 other details in the story. It is cheap answers.

One of your rebuttals was “ Saul never said he did not recognize David just only did not know who his dad was “ which is ridiculous. If he knew who David was, he knew who David’s dad was who he knew before he even knew David.

I don’t see a point is reinstating what I already said.

Look at chapter 18. It’s obvious a whole different story. In 16 and 17 Saul love him. Saul promised to marry his daughter off to whoever killed Goliath. In 18, where it says someone else killed Goliath, David is not married and Saul seems to hate him.

Why Is David and Goliath’s Story 40% Longer in the MT Than in the LXX? - TheTorah.com

The version of the story of David’s triumph over Goliath (1 Samuel 17–18) in the Septuagint (LXX) is missing many details present in the Masoretic Text (MT). The explanations provided by the Addition and Omission Hypotheses do not fully account for the differences. Taking into account how...

www.thetorah.com

The oldest texts has Goliath being slain by Elhanan. Much later we see that Böttcher comes up with the “solution” though the targumic and midrashic tried to say David and Elhanan was the same person.

Before today, have you heard of this discussion?

 

[RLT63]

It’s still cheap answers and I’m not saying that from arrogance. I’m saying that from experience.

If you want to claim that it’s based off a scribal mistake, even though that makes nonsense, then what is the source showing earlier manuscripts without that mistake? Some dude, not a biblical scholar, made up the scribal mistake answer based on their presumptions it’s a linear story.

Here is a far better explanation.

The Men Who Killed Goliath: Unraveling the Layers of Tradition behind a Timeless Tale of Heroism

There might be no Old Testament story more popular or seared more deeply into Western consciousness than the legend of David and Goliath. It is surprising, then, how few people (aside from scholars…

isthatinthebible.wordpress.com

You said you answered the questions. You did not. You danced around them and said nonsense like “ could be any age from infant to young adult and blah blah. That’s not even answering the question and it completely ignores like 20 other details in the story. It is cheap answers.

One of your rebuttals was “ Saul never said he did not recognize David just only did not know who his dad was “ which is ridiculous. If he knew who David was, he knew who David’s dad was who he knew before he even knew David.

I don’t see a point is reinstating what I already said.

Look at chapter 18. It’s obvious a whole different story. In 16 and 17 Saul love him. Saul promised to marry his daughter off to whoever killed Goliath. In 18, where it says someone else killed Goliath, David is not married and Saul seems to hate him.

Why Is David and Goliath’s Story 40% Longer in the MT Than in the LXX? - TheTorah.com

The version of the story of David’s triumph over Goliath (1 Samuel 17–18) in the Septuagint (LXX) is missing many details present in the Masoretic Text (MT). The explanations provided by the Addition and Omission Hypotheses do not fully account for the differences. Taking into account how...

www.thetorah.com

The oldest texts has Goliath being slain by Elhanan. Much later we see that Böttcher comes up with the “solution” though the targumic and midrashic tried to say David and Elhanan was the same person.

Before today, have you heard of this discussion?

Maybe you didn't see my last post. Yes, I have heard all of this before and that David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem which makes some think this story was added later because the Jews hadn't conquered Jerusalem at that time. (But David put the skull on a hill to taunt the enemy and it became known as Golgatha , the place of the skull)
As far as David's age the KJV called him a youth and you didn't comment on him not using Saul's armor because it hadn't been tested

 

[RLT63]

From Hard Sayings of the Bible

The most plausible explanation, and the one favored by most older commentators, is that the four events in the history of Saul and David in 1 Samuel 16–18 are not given in chronological order. Instead, they are transposed by a figure of speech known as hysterologia, in which something is put last that according to the usual order should be put first. For example, the Genesis 10 account of the dispersion of the nations comes before the cause of it—the confusion of languages at the tower of Babel in Genesis 11. The fact that the order has been rearranged for special purposes in 1 Samuel 16–18 can be seen from the fact that the Vaticanus manuscript of the Septuagint deletes twenty-nine verses in all (1 Sam 17:12–31 and 17:55–18:5).

E. W. Bullinger suggested that the text was rearranged in order to bring together certain facts, especially those about the Spirit of God.6 Thus in 1 Samuel 16:1–13 David is anointed and the Spirit of God comes upon him. Then, in order to contrast this impartation of the Spirit of God with the removal of the Spirit from Saul, 1 Samuel 16:14–23 is brought forward from later history. In the straightforward order of events, Bullinger suggests, it should follow 18:9.

First Samuel 17:1–18:9 records an event earlier in the life of David, which is introduced here in a parenthetical way as an illustration of 1 Samuel 14:52. This section is just an instance of what 14:52 claims.

The whole section, therefore, has this construction:

A 16:1–13 David annointed. The Spirt comes on him.

B 16:14–23 Saul rejected. The Spirit departs from him. An evil spirit torments him.

A 17:1–18:9 David. An earlier incident in his life.

B 18:10–30 Saul. The Spirit departs and an evil spirit troubles him.

Thus the narration alternates between David and Saul, creating a didactic contrast between the Spirit of God and the evil spirit that tormented Saul. The focus is on the spiritual state of the two men, not the historical order of events.

Kaiser, W. C. 1997, c1996. Hard sayings of the Bible . InterVarsity: Downers Grove, Il

 

[RLT63]

It’s still cheap answers and I’m not saying that from arrogance. I’m saying that from experience.

If you want to claim that it’s based off a scribal mistake, even though that makes nonsense, then what is the source showing earlier manuscripts without that mistake? Some dude, not a biblical scholar, made up the scribal mistake answer based on their presumptions it’s a linear story.

Here is a far better explanation.

The Men Who Killed Goliath: Unraveling the Layers of Tradition behind a Timeless Tale of Heroism

There might be no Old Testament story more popular or seared more deeply into Western consciousness than the legend of David and Goliath. It is surprising, then, how few people (aside from scholars…

isthatinthebible.wordpress.com

You said you answered the questions. You did not. You danced around them and said nonsense like “ could be any age from infant to young adult and blah blah. That’s not even answering the question and it completely ignores like 20 other details in the story. It is cheap answers.

One of your rebuttals was “ Saul never said he did not recognize David just only did not know who his dad was “ which is ridiculous. If he knew who David was, he knew who David’s dad was who he knew before he even knew David.

I don’t see a point is reinstating what I already said.

Look at chapter 18. It’s obvious a whole different story. In 16 and 17 Saul love him. Saul promised to marry his daughter off to whoever killed Goliath. In 18, where it says someone else killed Goliath, David is not married and Saul seems to hate him.

Why Is David and Goliath’s Story 40% Longer in the MT Than in the LXX? - TheTorah.com

The version of the story of David’s triumph over Goliath (1 Samuel 17–18) in the Septuagint (LXX) is missing many details present in the Masoretic Text (MT). The explanations provided by the Addition and Omission Hypotheses do not fully account for the differences. Taking into account how...

www.thetorah.com

The oldest texts has Goliath being slain by Elhanan. Much later we see that Böttcher comes up with the “solution” though the targumic and midrashic tried to say David and Elhanan was the same person.

Before today, have you heard of this discussion?

Articles completely ignored 1 Chronicles 20:5

 

[ScottA]

I don't "think"

I agree with you on that. Your words, not mine.

What you just did there--it's not original. But it is biblical, made famous by the father of lies.

So shall it be written.

 

[Skovand]

Articles completely ignored 1 Chronicles 20:5

The articles don’t ignore 1 chronicles and I don’t see what that changes about anything. The “chronicler” and the Deuteronomist and the Priests are all different sources.

Even if you change the order of the events, the only thing that changes is the issue with the age. It does not make the contradiction any less. It just gets rid of 1-2 issues.

Also within scholarship the oldest belief is not the strongest. Most of these “older interpretations” have 1/10th the archeological and literature that we have now.

The manuscripts missing verses is more so evidence of different translations and redactions.

So 1 chronicles 20:5 just shows that he killed his brother, the other verse shows that he killed Goliath, another verse shows that David killed Goliath with a stone, another with a sword, and there are still two completly different accounts of David and Saul meeting.

No matter what arguments you want to present, it’s still a contradiction which is what the question was about by the other guy. And this is just contradictions about three people between a few stories. There are dozens and dozens.

There is still no actual evidence of a manuscript existing where the other verses does not mention just Goliath brothers. Chronicles is not another manuscript for Samuel or Kings. It’s a completely different story.

 

[Skovand]

What you just did there--it's not original. But it is biblical, made famous by the father of lies.

So shall it be written.

Ditto.

 

[RLT63]

The articles don’t ignore 1 chronicles and I don’t see what that changes about anything. The “chronicler” and the Deuteronomist and the Priests are all different sources.

Even if you change the order of the events, the only thing that changes is the issue with the age. It does not make the contradiction any less. It just gets rid of 1-2 issues.

Also within scholarship the oldest belief is not the strongest. Most of these “older interpretations” have 1/10th the archeological and literature that we have now.

The manuscripts missing verses is more so evidence of different translations and redactions.

So 1 chronicles 20:5 just shows that he killed his brother, the other verse shows that he killed Goliath, another verse shows that David killed Goliath with a stone, another with a sword, and there are still two completly different accounts of David and Saul meeting.

No matter what arguments you want to present, it’s still a contradiction which is what the question was about by the other guy. And this is just contradictions about three people between a few stories. There are dozens and dozens.

There is still no actual evidence of a manuscript existing where the other verses does not mention just Goliath brothers. Chronicles is not another manuscript for Samuel or Kings. It’s a completely different story.

It's a story that backs up the fact that David killed Goliath and someone else killed his brother.
And David hit Goliath with a stone and knocked him out then cut off his head with Goliath's sword.
That's not a contradiction.
There are two accounts where David and Saul seem to be meeting for the first time and there are several possible explanations.

 

[RLT63]

It’s still cheap answers and I’m not saying that from arrogance. I’m saying that from experience.

If you want to claim that it’s based off a scribal mistake, even though that makes nonsense, then what is the source showing earlier manuscripts without that mistake? Some dude, not a biblical scholar, made up the scribal mistake answer based on their presumptions it’s a linear story.

Here is a far better explanation.

The Men Who Killed Goliath: Unraveling the Layers of Tradition behind a Timeless Tale of Heroism

There might be no Old Testament story more popular or seared more deeply into Western consciousness than the legend of David and Goliath. It is surprising, then, how few people (aside from scholars…

isthatinthebible.wordpress.com

You said you answered the questions. You did not. You danced around them and said nonsense like “ could be any age from infant to young adult and blah blah. That’s not even answering the question and it completely ignores like 20 other details in the story. It is cheap answers.

One of your rebuttals was “ Saul never said he did not recognize David just only did not know who his dad was “ which is ridiculous. If he knew who David was, he knew who David’s dad was who he knew before he even knew David.

I don’t see a point is reinstating what I already said.

Look at chapter 18. It’s obvious a whole different story. In 16 and 17 Saul love him. Saul promised to marry his daughter off to whoever killed Goliath. In 18, where it says someone else killed Goliath, David is not married and Saul seems to hate him.

Why Is David and Goliath’s Story 40% Longer in the MT Than in the LXX? - TheTorah.com

The version of the story of David’s triumph over Goliath (1 Samuel 17–18) in the Septuagint (LXX) is missing many details present in the Masoretic Text (MT). The explanations provided by the Addition and Omission Hypotheses do not fully account for the differences. Taking into account how...

www.thetorah.com

The oldest texts has Goliath being slain by Elhanan. Much later we see that Böttcher comes up with the “solution” though the targumic and midrashic tried to say David and Elhanan was the same person.

Before today, have you heard of this discussion?

This is a good article. Thanks for posting