If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?

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This comes back to the same thing

Either God punished people for being evil bringing on the flood or the other reason God send the flood to get rid of the Nephilim.There is plenty of evidence of these Nephilim in the bible and we have the Book of Enoch - the King of Bashan is a giant among others in the bible.
 

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This comes back to the same thing

Either God punished people for being evil bringing on the flood or the other reason God send the flood to get rid of the Nephilim.There is plenty of evidence of these Nephilim in the bible and we have the Book of Enoch - the King of Bashan is a giant among others in the bible.
The thief comes only to steal, kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and life more abundantly......Jesus

God does not kill or destroy.....that is what the thief does. The thief has no honesty and attempts to paint God with his own attributes. The thief successfully persuades most that it is God who kills and extracts revenge.

Jesus' sojourn here on Earth revealed to the Universe the character of God. He exposed the thief's lies

Who today will we believe?
 

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I am well aware why Jesus came what's that got to do with it?

The flood is about another group of fallen Angels they are not dead they are chained up until the last day and God did not create the Nephilim Angels had relations with women creating them,God did not want them created and in the Book of Enoch refused to grant them eternal life and has punished these Angels severely they are destine for the lake of fire.The Nephilim are now demons on humanity as a curse by God for women having relations with Angels. Not my words its the information there.

Its also why God wanted the holy land cleansed by the Israelites.They were to destroy the remaining giants in the holy land. God did command then to kill everyone even the animals because they followed the giants.The land had to be cleansed of the Giants.The book of Enoch tells us some escaped the flood.
 
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For the record then. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
For the record do you even know what that means? What do you think that means… or what do you think God has told you directly that means? Im sure you’ve done a word study and a cultural exploration of that translated phrase.
 

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Contradictions are mostly showcased by Christians who believe in God and the Bible being his word within Biblical Scholarships. So it’s actually those that don’t know the Bible very well that don’t see them.
Well that is a generic accusation without substance. Care to give an example?

I have been a believer for 50 years, a graduate of Bible College, received an advanced degree in Christian counseling, have created and taught in Bible Institute, radio, TV and churches. So I think I have some bible scholarship under my belt. Care to show me one of these contradictions?
 

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Well that is a generic accusation without substance. Care to give an example?

I have been a believer for 50 years, a graduate of Bible College, received an advanced degree in Christian counseling, have created and taught in Bible Institute, radio, TV and churches. So I think I have some bible scholarship under my belt. Care to show me one of these contradictions?
Sure. 1 Samuel 16 how did David and Saul meet for the first time? Can you show me the verses and the story in your own words from 1 Samuel 16 how did they first meet? After they met did Saul now know who David and his family was?
 

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Okay for example, in the bible it says that he has a plan for us and a future, yet there’s people that commit suicide everyday from suffering such as cancer, crippled, etc. So what exactly was there purpose or future?

There are other factors at play here besides God's will; there's also our wills. So, if someone chooses to exit this life early, that will certainly derail God's plans for their life. Then there's just the result of living in a fallen world where bad things happen. That doesn't negate that God's will is to have good things for us, just that other factors can get in the way of that. But I think we have to look at the bigger picture. Everything in this life is temporal, including us. But everything lost in this life will be permanently restored, and God's plans for us will be fulfilled, if not in this life, then in the next.

Also it says that he doesn’t like lazy people and we reap what we sow, yet for example the cartels operating in mexico are pure evil and they live lavish lifestyles and do whatever they want? So how exactly does that make sense?

This reminds me of Psalm 73. He also asks why the wicked seem to prosper, but then he sees their end. Using cartels as an example, what will be their end? Prison? Getting murdered? And even if they managed to escape justice in this life, they won't escape it in the next. For them, this life will be the best it will ever be, but for us it will be the worst it will ever be, and eternity is a whole lot longer than this temporal life.
 

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For the record do you even know what that means? What do you think that means… or what do you think God has told you directly that means? Im sure you’ve done a word study and a cultural exploration of that translated phrase.
That phrase, was it from God, or men, or translators and their cultural word studies?
 

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Sure. 1 Samuel 16 how did David and Saul meet for the first time? Can you show me the verses and the story in your own words from 1 Samuel 16 how did they first meet? After they met did Saul now know who David and his family was?
Simple. Samuel told Saul the Lord will take the kingdom from Him and the ondwelling Spirit left Saul.

He was tormented and his advisors told him to find a harp player that can soothe Sauls soul. they searched and found David. that is how they met!

As written. what is the supposed contradiction?
 

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Simple. Samuel told Saul the Lord will take the kingdom from Him and the ondwelling Spirit left Saul.

He was tormented and his advisors told him to find a harp player that can soothe Sauls soul. they searched and found David. that is how they met!

As written. what is the supposed contradiction?

Great job. I agree. Now can you tell me how David and Saul met in 1 Samuel 17 the very next chapter?
 

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Great job. I agree. Now can you tell me how David and Saul met in 1 Samuel 17 the very next chapter?
Simple David had gone back home to Jesse. HIs brothers were fighting in the war.

Jesse sent David to give his brothers food. David couldn't sit still while Goliath insulted the armies of God. He was brought to Saul. Now we have no clue if Saul recognized him or not (it appears not) But he was reintroduiced to Saul and after he defeated Goliath, Saul took him to his house.

Two separate meetings under two separate occasions- set apart by a measure of time we know not.
 

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Simple David had gone back home to Jesse. HIs brothers were fighting in the war.

Jesse sent David to give his brothers food. David couldn't sit still while Goliath insulted the armies of God. He was brought to Saul. Now we have no clue if Saul recognized him or not (it appears not) But he was reintroduiced to Saul and after he defeated Goliath, Saul took him to his house.

Two separate meetings under two separate occasions- set apart by a measure of time we know not.
So in the 1 Samuel 16 did Saul make David his Armour Bearer and know who David’s family was?
 

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This is 1 Samuel 16.
18 One of the young men answered, “I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite who is skillful in playing, a man of valor, a warrior, prudent in speech, and a man of good presence, and the Lord is with him.” 19 So Saul sent messengers to Jesse and said, “Send me your son David, who is with the sheep.” 20 Jesse took a donkey loaded with bread, a skin of wine, and a kid and sent them by his son David to Saul. 21 And David came to Saul and entered his service. Saul loved him greatly, and he became his armor-bearer. 22 Saul sent to Jesse, saying, “Let David remain in my service, for he has found favor in my sight.” 23 And whenever the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, David took the lyre and played it with his hand, and Saul would be relieved and feel better, and the evil spirit would depart from him.

Here it says that Sauk greatly loved Jesse and that Jesse remained in his service as his armour bearer meaning he lived with Saul. Saul knew him and his father. He wrote to his father asking and letting him know David was to live with him. Saul knew exactly who David was.

It never says in 1 Samuel 17 that Saul forgot him. Or that Saul did not recognize him. Saul talked with him, and did not know who he was or who his father was.

Now I’m 1 Samuel 17 we are introduced to David again. It’s another intro. Why give us another intro if we just had one?

12 Now David was the son of an Ephrathite of Bethlehem in Judah named Jesse, who had eight sons. In the days of Saul the man was already old and advanced in years. 13 The three eldest sons of Jesse had followed Saul to the battle; the names of his three sons who went to the battle were Eliab the firstborn, and next to him Abinadab, and the third Shammah. 14 David was the youngest; the three eldest followed Saul, 15 but David went back and forth from Saul to feed his father’s sheep at Bethlehem.16 For forty days the Philistine came forward and took his stand, morning and evening.

Then in 17 it continues to say this.

31 When the words that David spoke were heard, they repeated them before Saul, and he sent for him. 32 David said to Saul, “Let no one’s heart fail because of him; your servant will go and fight with this Philistine.” 33 Saul said to David, “You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him, for you are just a boy, and he has been a warrior from his youth.”

Saul says David…. You’re just a boy…. Not a warrior. ( so if Saul already knew him not to much time could have went by since he’s still a boy.

Then we see this in 17.
38 Saul clothed David with his armor; he put a bronze helmet on his head and clothed him with a coat of mail. 39 David strapped Saul’s sword over the armor, and he tried in vain to walk, for he was not used to them. Then David said to Saul, “I cannot walk with these, for I am not used to them.” So David removed them. 40 Then he took his staff in his hand and chose five smooth stones from the wadi and put them in his shepherd’s bag, in the pouch; his sling was in his

Here we read that Saul dressed David in his armour but that David could not wear it. Could not bear his armour. So he took it off.

Then we read in 17 this.
55 When Saul saw David go out against the Philistine, he said to Abner, the commander of the army, “Abner, whose son is this young man?” Abner said, “As your soul lives, O king, I do not know.” 56 The king said, “Inquire whose son the young man is.” 57 On David’s return from killing the Philistine, Abner took him and brought him before Saul, with the head of the Philistine in his hand. 58 Saul said to him, “Whose son are you, young man?” And David answered, “I am the son of your servant Jesse the Bethlehemite.”

Not only does Saul not know who David is but Saul also does not know who his father is.

So we have two different stories of David and Saul meeting for the first time. If you try to argue he just forgot him….. what verse indicates that?
 

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I also want to highlight this.
1 Samuel 16 says this about David .
17 So Saul said to his servants, “Provide for me someone who can play well, and bring him to me.” 18 One of the young men answered, “I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite who is skillful in playing, a man of valor, a warrior, prudent in speech, and a man of good presence, and the Lord is with him.”

He is a man.
He is a man of valor.
He is a skillful Warrior.

He’s a man, not a boy and he’s a warrior.

In chapter 17 though….
33 Saul said to David, “You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him, for you are just a boy, and he has been a warrior from his youth.

He’s a boy.
He’s not a warrior but a sheep herder.
He’s not a warrior man or valor.
 

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This is 1 Samuel 16.
18 One of the young men answered, “I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite who is skillful in playing, a man of valor, a warrior, prudent in speech, and a man of good presence, and the Lord is with him.” 19 So Saul sent messengers to Jesse and said, “Send me your son David, who is with the sheep.” 20 Jesse took a donkey loaded with bread, a skin of wine, and a kid and sent them by his son David to Saul. 21 And David came to Saul and entered his service. Saul loved him greatly, and he became his armor-bearer. 22 Saul sent to Jesse, saying, “Let David remain in my service, for he has found favor in my sight.” 23 And whenever the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, David took the lyre and played it with his hand, and Saul would be relieved and feel better, and the evil spirit would depart from him.

Here it says that Sauk greatly loved Jesse and that Jesse remained in his service as his armour bearer meaning he lived with Saul. Saul knew him and his father. He wrote to his father asking and letting him know David was to live with him. Saul knew exactly who David was.

It never says in 1 Samuel 17 that Saul forgot him. Or that Saul did not recognize him. Saul talked with him, and did not know who he was or who his father was.

Now I’m 1 Samuel 17 we are introduced to David again. It’s another intro. Why give us another intro if we just had one?

12 Now David was the son of an Ephrathite of Bethlehem in Judah named Jesse, who had eight sons. In the days of Saul the man was already old and advanced in years. 13 The three eldest sons of Jesse had followed Saul to the battle; the names of his three sons who went to the battle were Eliab the firstborn, and next to him Abinadab, and the third Shammah. 14 David was the youngest; the three eldest followed Saul, 15 but David went back and forth from Saul to feed his father’s sheep at Bethlehem.16 For forty days the Philistine came forward and took his stand, morning and evening.

Then in 17 it continues to say this.

31 When the words that David spoke were heard, they repeated them before Saul, and he sent for him. 32 David said to Saul, “Let no one’s heart fail because of him; your servant will go and fight with this Philistine.” 33 Saul said to David, “You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him, for you are just a boy, and he has been a warrior from his youth.”

Saul says David…. You’re just a boy…. Not a warrior. ( so if Saul already knew him not to much time could have went by since he’s still a boy.

Then we see this in 17.
38 Saul clothed David with his armor; he put a bronze helmet on his head and clothed him with a coat of mail. 39 David strapped Saul’s sword over the armor, and he tried in vain to walk, for he was not used to them. Then David said to Saul, “I cannot walk with these, for I am not used to them.” So David removed them. 40 Then he took his staff in his hand and chose five smooth stones from the wadi and put them in his shepherd’s bag, in the pouch; his sling was in his

Here we read that Saul dressed David in his armour but that David could not wear it. Could not bear his armour. So he took it off.

Then we read in 17 this.
55 When Saul saw David go out against the Philistine, he said to Abner, the commander of the army, “Abner, whose son is this young man?” Abner said, “As your soul lives, O king, I do not know.” 56 The king said, “Inquire whose son the young man is.” 57 On David’s return from killing the Philistine, Abner took him and brought him before Saul, with the head of the Philistine in his hand. 58 Saul said to him, “Whose son are you, young man?” And David answered, “I am the son of your servant Jesse the Bethlehemite.”

Not only does Saul not know who David is but Saul also does not know who his father is.

So we have two different stories of David and Saul meeting for the first time. If you try to argue he just forgot him….. what verse indicates that?
There are several possible explanations for why Saul asks about David in chapter 17 after he had been introduced to him in chapter 16. As a preface, we should note that Saul was not inquiring of the identity of David per se in chapter 17; rather, he was asking who David’s fatherwas (verses 55, 56, and 58). We assume he knew David’s name. David’s answer, in verse 58, is, “I am the son of your servant Jesse of Bethlehem.”

One explanation for why King Saul asked the identity of David’s father is simply that he had forgotten whose son David was. Saul had been told about Jesse (1 Samuel 16:18), and he had even had correspondence with him (verses 19–22), but it’s not unreasonable to think that the name had slipped Saul’s mind. We assume that kings have a lot of information to keep track of, and we understand if Saul did not regularly review the names of all the people in his realm.

Saul needed to know the name of David’s father to deliver the prize promised to the one who defeated Goliath. In 1 Samuel 17:25, Saul had promised great wealth and the king’s daughter in marriage to the man who killed the giant. Saul had also promised the family of the victor tax exemption. In order for Jesse to receive this benefit, Saul had to confirm that’s who David was.

Another possibility is that Saul’s question was meant to inquire of David’s background in general, rather than the specifics of his family. Where does this boy come from? From what tribe is he? What clan?

Another possible explanation for why Saul asked the identity of David’s father is that the events of 1 Samuel 17occurred chronologically prior to those of chapter 16. In this case, David’s stepping forward to fight Goliath was the first time Saul had met David.

In any event, the killing of Goliath proved that David was a truly obedient servant of God who was concerned with the interests of his Heavenly Father and his Father’s people (cf. John 8:29). Jesus, the Son of David, likewise stepped forward in the power of God to slay the giants who kept us cowering in fear (see Colossians 2:15 and Revelation 5:5).
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I also want to highlight this.
1 Samuel 16 says this about David .
17 So Saul said to his servants, “Provide for me someone who can play well, and bring him to me.” 18 One of the young men answered, “I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite who is skillful in playing, a man of valor, a warrior, prudent in speech, and a man of good presence, and the Lord is with him.”

He is a man.
He is a man of valor.
He is a skillful Warrior.

He’s a man, not a boy and he’s a warrior.

In chapter 17 though….
33 Saul said to David, “You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him, for you are just a boy, and he has been a warrior from his youth.

He’s a boy.
He’s not a warrior but a sheep herder.
He’s not a warrior man or valor.
He had killed a lion and a bear. That made him a warrior
 
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How old was David when he fought Goliath?

Scripture gives us stronger clues regarding David’s age when he fought Goliath. While the Philistines were at war with Saul, their giant, Goliath, taunted the armies of Israel daily. But none of the Hebrew soldiers had the courage to face Goliath one on one.

At this time, David’s three oldest brothers were serving on the battle lines. David was sent to them by his father to deliver provisions. When David heard the defiant words of Goliath, he was grievously offended and told King Saul he would stand up and fight against Goliath. “Don’t be ridiculous!” was Saul’s reply. “There’s no way you can fight this Philistine and possibly win! You’re only a boy, and he’s been a man of war since his youth” (1 Samuel 17:33, NLT).

The term Saul used here to describe David’s age is broad and can refer to anything from an infant to an adolescent. David was most likely a teenager, probably 16–19 years old. The fact that David was not yet serving in the army tells us he was definitely under 20 (see Numbers 1:3).

Likewise, since Scripture says that David’s three oldest brothers were in the army (1 Samuel 17:13), we know they were 20 years or older. That leaves four brothers between them and David, strengthening the notion that David was a teenager when he fought Goliath.
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All of the above.
So what do you think it means?
I don't "think", but know that it is God who defines His own word, and when and where it is applicable. In this case, it is applicable to your mocking God by mocking the idea that what I have told you is from God, and that you are in a position to challenge it.
 

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He had killed a lion and a bear. That made him a warrior
So again. What I am going off of is the Bible.

There are two different accounts of David a meeting Saul. I’ve already highlighted it as clear as it can be.

In chapter 16 Saul did not know who David was and David was called a valiant warrior man. Saul made him his armour bearer which means he lived with him and carried his armour into battle and kept it in good shape after they met wjen David drove out the evil spirit. Saul knew who David’s dad was and Saul said David was someone he loved.

In chapter 17 Saul did not know who David was. David met Saul after Saul called for him about his claims to fight Goliath. Then Saul met David and said you can’t fight you are a boy. David is no longer a man or a warrior. David tells him I’ve killed bears. Saul tried to give David his armour but David said he is not familiar with it it’s to heavy. David went from a man who’s used Saul’s armour to a boy who could not even move in it. Saul did not know David and Saul did not know his dad.

It’s clear. The only people who don’t see it as clear are those with an agenda to hide from the truth.