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There are several Raptures mentioned in the Bible, such as

1. Enoch (Gen 5:21-24; Heb 11:5)
2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11)
3. Jesus’ Ascension (Acts 1:9-11)
4. Church Age Saints (1Thes 4:13-18)
5. The Two Witnesses in the Middle of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3-12)
6. Tribulation Believers (Rev 14:14-16)
7. A male Child (Rev 12.5)

One thing that all these Raptures have in common is the recipients all go from earth to heaven. Some argue that the Church Age Saints go up into the atmosphere and then come right back down to earth, if so, it is the only Rapture that does so. This biblical analogy of the many Raptures in the Bible is a strike against the Post Trib viewpoint. It is not consistent with the other Raptures.
 
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There are several Raptures mentioned in the Bible
But not any of them say that the living Christian peoples will be taken to live in heaven.

Pauls Prophecy in 1 Thess 4:16-17, plainly takes place AFTER Jesus has departed from heaven, His faithful people, those who will have proved their trust in the Lord, will rise to meet Him and will be transported with Him to Jerusalem.

The idea of a secret or special rapture of the Church, is never stated in the Bible. We all must go thru tribulations, as described in Revelation 6:14
 
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There are several Raptures mentioned in the Bible, such as

1. Enoch (Gen 5:21-24; Heb 11:5)
2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11)
3. Jesus’ Ascension (Acts 1:9-11)
4. Church Age Saints (1Thes 4:13-18)
5. The Two Witnesses in the Middle of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3-12)
6. Tribulation Believers (Rev 14:14-16)
7. A male Child (Rev 12.5)

One thing that all these Raptures have in common is the recipients all go from earth to heaven. Some argue that the Church Age Saints go up into the atmosphere and then come right back down to earth, if so, it is the only Rapture that does so. This biblical analogy of the many Raptures in the Bible is a strike against the Post Trib viewpoint. It is not consistent with the other Raptures.
Not one of those is provably pretrib.
 

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There are several Raptures mentioned in the Bible, such as

1. Enoch (Gen 5:21-24; Heb 11:5)
2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11)
3. Jesus’ Ascension (Acts 1:9-11)
4. Church Age Saints (1Thes 4:13-18)
5. The Two Witnesses in the Middle of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3-12)
6. Tribulation Believers (Rev 14:14-16)
7. A male Child (Rev 12.5)

One thing that all these Raptures have in common is the recipients all go from earth to heaven. Some argue that the Church Age Saints go up into the atmosphere and then come right back down to earth, if so, it is the only Rapture that does so. This biblical analogy of the many Raptures in the Bible is a strike against the Post Trib viewpoint. It is not consistent with the other Raptures.


If you want to continue believing in a Pretrib rapture, by all means, do so. That still don't make it true nor are you ever going to convince some of the rest of us you are correct just because you believe a Pretrib rapture is true. If you and these other Pretribbers are still alive when great tribulation hits this planet big time, eventually you are going to know that Pretrib is not true because you are all still here, not only prior to great tribulation, but during it as well.

Take 3 and 5 on your list, for example. What danger were they trying to avoid in the future by being translated out of here? They already killed Christ then He rose from the dead. They already killed the 2Ws then they rise from the dead. Can't kill them again, right? Therefore, they weren't trying to avoid any future danger by being translated out of here like Pretribbers are trying to avoid by being raptured out of here before the danger comes. Except great tribulation is not the wrath of God, it is the wrath of satan. The wrath of God is after great tribulation. And even if it wasn't, the wrath of God would not be on any saved saints to begin with. They would be immune to it not affected by it instead.
 
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There are several Raptures mentioned in the Bible, such as

1. Enoch (Gen 5:21-24; Heb 11:5)
2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11)
3. Jesus’ Ascension (Acts 1:9-11)
4. Church Age Saints (1Thes 4:13-18)
5. The Two Witnesses in the Middle of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3-12)
6. Tribulation Believers (Rev 14:14-16)
7. A male Child (Rev 12.5)

One thing that all these Raptures have in common is the recipients all go from earth to heaven. Some argue that the Church Age Saints go up into the atmosphere and then come right back down to earth, if so, it is the only Rapture that does so. This biblical analogy of the many Raptures in the Bible is a strike against the Post Trib viewpoint. It is not consistent with the other Raptures.

That's not, entirely true, I think. Because what is a rapture other than Translation? Elijah was Translated to heaven and was not, because God took him. Paul says he got translated too, 14 years ago (in the 3rd person).

But it seems as if there are different kinds of Translation. A trip to Heaven is Translation, but there are many testimonies out there which say, they were transported to another location on Earth! We see it in scripture with Philip when he baptized the Ethiopian and was found some 30 or 40 miles away at that point (I think).

But anyway they have started calling this type of translation by a new term, Trans-relocation and it's very similar to translation in the transport method (!!!) but they don't go to heaven, only to different places on earth.

A couple of them are on Sid Roth's show. There's a video, Interview with Brother Grubbs...(I think!) and it's on youtube and it's this old man and his wife and they get interviewed and they have many transrelocation stories about them. They said it's been happening for years and years to them.

Aother guy was transrelocated to China inside of a prison I think, and He just appeared in the room with these others and went over some scriptures with them. hen he woke up in bed (Ian Clayton).

A couple guys say they have traveled thru time into the past to do tasks for the Lord. So when I read your sentence about all people who get raptured go to heaven, I realized...almost! Almost always! And we will too when we get raptured (Pre-Trib!) .
 

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There are several Raptures mentioned in the Bible, such as

1. Enoch (Gen 5:21-24; Heb 11:5)
2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11)
3. Jesus’ Ascension (Acts 1:9-11)
4. Church Age Saints (1Thes 4:13-18)
5. The Two Witnesses in the Middle of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3-12)
6. Tribulation Believers (Rev 14:14-16)
7. A male Child (Rev 12.5)

One thing that all these Raptures have in common is the recipients all go from earth to heaven. Some argue that the Church Age Saints go up into the atmosphere and then come right back down to earth, if so, it is the only Rapture that does so. This biblical analogy of the many Raptures in the Bible is a strike against the Post Trib viewpoint. It is not consistent with the other Raptures.
(1Thes 4:13-18) - Here the opposite is written in plain text. That believers will be TAKEN to the Lord, Who has already descended to earth:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


"Clouds" here means "many people," as in Hebrews 12:1. "Air" here means "the midst of this world," as in Ephesians 2:2. No one is flying away, everything is happening on earth. And we live in heaven now, if we are in Christ:

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: (Ephesians 2:6)

(Rev. 11:3-12) - The two witnesses are the two olive trees of Romans 11. "To ascend into heaven" means to live according to the spirit in Christ Jesus (not according to the flesh, in religions).

(Rev 12.5) - A male Child - "The Throne of God" will be in the Third Temple. "The male Child" is Israel, who will gather at the site where the Third Temple will be built.
 

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There are several Raptures mentioned in the Bible, such as

1. Enoch (Gen 5:21-24; Heb 11:5)
2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11)
3. Jesus’ Ascension (Acts 1:9-11)
4. Church Age Saints (1Thes 4:13-18)
5. The Two Witnesses in the Middle of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3-12)
6. Tribulation Believers (Rev 14:14-16)
7. A male Child (Rev 12.5)

One thing that all these Raptures have in common is the recipients all go from earth to heaven. Some argue that the Church Age Saints go up into the atmosphere and then come right back down to earth, if so, it is the only Rapture that does so. This biblical analogy of the many Raptures in the Bible is a strike against the Post Trib viewpoint. It is not consistent with the other Raptures.
There are different reasons for the raptures that you mentioned thus your point isn’t valid.
 
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Oh, Okay. You have convinced me with your persuasive argument.
Sarcasm is never helpful

My point is that raptures happen at different times for different reasons in the bible so the timing can also change
 

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Sarcasm is never helpful

My point is that raptures happen at different times for different reasons in the bible so the timing can also change
I still don't see what you are trying to say. Why does it matter if raptures happen at different times and for different reasons?

Regarding the sarcasm, I just get sick and tired of people responding to my posts in such a childish manner. They offer very elementary responses. I want someone to reply to my posts with a sense of one who is well trained in Scripture. You initial answer just rubbed me the wrong way. And the second answer you gave is not much better. I like to interact with serious bible students, not someone who wastes my time with a very obtuse reply. If you are not trained well enough at this point in your life, I would expect you to research the issue, I personally don't respond if I don't know the subject matter well enough.

Don't be offended, at least you are engaging with a reply.
 

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There are several Raptures mentioned in the Bible, such as

1. Enoch (Gen 5:21-24; Heb 11:5)
2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11)
3. Jesus’ Ascension (Acts 1:9-11)
4. Church Age Saints (1Thes 4:13-18)
5. The Two Witnesses in the Middle of the Tribulation (Rev. 11:3-12)
6. Tribulation Believers (Rev 14:14-16)
7. A male Child (Rev 12.5)

One thing that all these Raptures have in common is the recipients all go from earth to heaven. Some argue that the Church Age Saints go up into the atmosphere and then come right back down to earth, if so, it is the only Rapture that does so. This biblical analogy of the many Raptures in the Bible is a strike against the Post Trib viewpoint. It is not consistent with the other Raptures.
I don't think I would refer to all those events as being "raptures", because only Event 4 involves the change to be in the twinkling of an eye.

Event 4, which you label as the Church Age Saints (1Thessalonians4:13-18), I would consider as "the" rapture, which the living in Christ will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, the redemption of our bodies. 1Corinthians15:51-55.

To me, the rapture will be the sudden disappearance of them in Christ from this world.

Differently, events like when Ezekiel was taken to heaven, he was seen leaving this world. Also the same for the two witnesses in Revelation 11.
 
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I still don't see what you are trying to say. Why does it matter if raptures happen at different times and for different reasons?

Regarding the sarcasm, I just get sick and tired of people responding to my posts in such a childish manner. They offer very elementary responses. I want someone to reply to my posts with a sense of one who is well trained in Scripture. You initial answer just rubbed me the wrong way. And the second answer you gave is not much better. I like to interact with serious bible students, not someone who wastes my time with a very obtuse reply. If you are not trained well enough at this point in your life, I would expect you to research the issue, I personally don't respond if I don't know the subject matter well enough.

Don't be offended, at least you are engaging with a reply.
No offence taken thanks

What I am saying is that the different raptures for the different reasons in the bible don’t necessarily effect we’re the rapture of the saints go and when it happens

The raptures are to take people to be with God no matter where God is or where He is going thus it’s not an argument for a pre trib rapture
 

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Regarding the sarcasm, I just get sick and tired of people responding to my posts in such a childish manner. They offer very elementary responses. I want someone to reply to my posts with a sense of one who is well trained in Scripture.
I can appreciate that.
 

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There are seven pointedly identified resurrection(bodily redemption) events found in the book of Revelation. They are:
1. The 24 elders .
2. The beast from the sea.
3. The church.
4. The saints and prophets of Israel.
5. The 144,000.
6. The two witnesses.
7. Those beheaded for refusing the mark.

How and where are these resurrections identified? First, the how.

They are both collectively and individuallistically identified by the seven thunders.

Rev 10:1-11 KJV 1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

What is collectively represented here is 7 resurrection events. This mighty angel who stands upon the earth and sea is actually spanning (what Jesus identified as) the great gulf fixed the realm of the living from the realm of the dead, most notably, it is the realm of the righteous dead. The book of Enoch identifies 4 compartments to house those who have passed from death unto life. Three of them are notably identified in the book of Revelation: Death, Hell, and the Sea of Glass. The sea of glass (Rev 4) is often referred to simply as the sea in Rev.. chapters 7,11,13, 20 and 21. The 4th compartment is identified as tartarus and houses the angels that sinned in the days of Noah.
Returning back to my original thought, this mighty angel spans the realms of the living and the dead and holds in his hand the little book, which is the book of life containing names written therein. Ones name must be found written inside to be permitted to return to the land of the living. What is portrayed in Rev 10, is not that of a single vision where 7 thunders are simultaneously uttered one right after the other, but is a picture of the multiple times that the event occurs. One of its simplified events is illustrated in 1Thess4 where we see a shout and the loud voice of the ARCHangel. I will pause here and explain in my next post how the seven thunders are individually revealed seven times in Revelation chapters 4,6,8,11,14,16 and 19.
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I don't think I would refer to all those events as being "raptures", because only Event 4 involves the change to be in the twinkling of an eye.

Event 4, which you label as the Church Age Saints (1Thessalonians4:13-18), I would consider as "the" rapture, which the living in Christ will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, the redemption of our bodies. 1Corinthians15:51-55.

To me, the rapture will be the sudden disappearance of them in Christ from this world.

Differently, events like when Ezekiel was taken to heaven, he was seen leaving this world. Also the same for the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

Ezekiel wasnt taken to heaven. He was taken up above the earth, am I right? Pretty sure that's what it was.

Not that that's not a rapture, it is.
 

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What I am saying is that the different raptures for the different reasons in the bible don’t necessarily effect we’re the rapture of the saints go and when it happens

The raptures are to take people to be with God no matter where God is or where He is going thus it’s not an argument for a pre trib rapture
All I said was the 7 raptures all are done from the earth to heaven. The post trib position is that the believers are taken up to the air, and then return right away (but it is against the law to make a U-Turn. jk). this does not parallel the other raptures in the Bible.
 

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This question is interestingly worded

Psalm 89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not (( see death )) ? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?

Jesus answer according to how that is worded...

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying , he shall never (( see death )).

How it's worded in Enoch

Heb 11:10 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not (( see death )); and was **not found**, because God had translated him: for before "his translation" he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


You can run it again through the words "found" faith and testimony also
 

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All I said was the 7 raptures all are done from the earth to heaven. The post trib position is that the believers are taken up to the air, and then return right away (but it is against the law to make a U-Turn. jk). this does not parallel the other raptures in the Bible.
I am post trib myself but I don't believe that we come Back with Jesus
 

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There are seven pointedly identified resurrection(bodily redemption) events found in the book of Revelation. They are:
1. The 24 elders .
2. The beast from the sea.
3. The church.
4. The saints and prophets of Israel.
5. The 144,000.
6. The two witnesses.
7. Those beheaded for refusing the mark.

How and where are these resurrections identified? First, the how.

They are both collectively and individuallistically identified by the seven thunders.

Rev 10:1-11 KJV 1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

What is collectively represented here is 7 resurrection events. This mighty angel who stands upon the earth and sea is actually spanning (what Jesus identified as) the great gulf fixed the realm of the living from the realm of the dead, most notably, it is the realm of the righteous dead. The book of Enoch identifies 4 compartments to house those who have passed from death unto life. Three of them are notably identified in the book of Revelation: Death, Hell, and the Sea of Glass. The sea of glass (Rev 4) is often referred to simply as the sea in Rev.. chapters 7,11,13, 20 and 21. The 4th compartment is identified as tartarus and houses the angels that sinned in the days of Noah.
Returning back to my original thought, this mighty angel spans the realms of the living and the dead and holds in his hand the little book, which is the book of life containing names written therein. Ones name must be found written inside to be permitted to return to the land of the living. What is portrayed in Rev 10, is not that of a single vision where 7 thunders are simultaneously uttered one right after the other, but is a picture of the multiple times that the event occurs. One of its simplified events is illustrated in 1Thess4 where we see a shout and the loud voice of the ARCHangel. I will pause here and explain in my next post how the seven thunders are individually revealed seven times in Revelation chapters 4,6,8,11,14,16 and 19.
Be Blessed
The PuP
Let's now look at the "where" concerning the scriptural revelations of the 7 thunders equating to 7 resurrection/ bodily redemption.

1. The 24 elders.

If I have heard one, I have heard innumerable explanations for who the 24 elders are. but with little plausible explanation for them being formerly living humans. But redemption is the most important purpose for the work of Christ. For people and the 4 aspects of God's creation that were impacted by the flood, is the central focus of Christ's redemptive work. When we look at those 4 aspects affected by the flood, unexpected death was inflicted upon them. They are:

Gen 6:7 KJV And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both MAN, and BEAST, and the CREEPING THING, and the FOWLS of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

This is what is depicted in the faces of the 4 beasts. Redemption from death! Having 6 wings now, instead of 4 originally when Ezekiel saw them, is likewise evidence of their Redemption from death of these 4 beasts. Shortly after the 24 elders make their noted appearance in Rev 4, we hear the sound of thunder, verse 5, and see that they have on white raiment... which is a symbol of the righteousness of the saints, but does not represent resurrection. This is evidenced by those seen under the altar at the 5th seal AND by the innumerable multitude seen in Rev 7 (time wise this is after the opening of the 6th Seal). [Later] In Rev 5, the 24 elders are seen having harps, and making the declaration of redemption and being made kings and priests. They have been exalted by the redemption of their bodies. So who are these 24 redeemed elders made [kings and] priests? We don't know the certainty of their identities, but we know they are human. Because it says they have been exalted to the office of priests, I would say that these are the 24 men who served in the office of the high priest, with Aaron being the 1st and Seraiah being the last to serve before the kingdom and the temple were brought to ruin by Nebuchadnezzar. [The 22 generations of genealogy of high priests is found in 1Chr 6, Ahimelech and Abiathar served jointly in the office of high priest during the reigns of Saul and David, bringing the total number to 24. Solomon did away with the joint nature of the high priest office when he became king, returning it solely to Zadok.] So this brings satisfactory scriptural evidence to the resurrection/ redemption of 24 men, now identified as the 24 elders. I will move on to the other 6 thunders in my next post.
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This question is interestingly worded

Psalm 89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not (( see death )) ? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?

Jesus answer according to how that is worded...

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying , he shall never (( see death )).

How it's worded in Enoch

Heb 11:10 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not (( see death )); and was **not found**, because God had translated him: for before "his translation" he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


You can run it again through the words "found" faith and testimony also
Also in Hebrews 11 it also says

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth.

Enoch was included earlier in that same chapter also

Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
 
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