Revelation 9:1 - 11 Who are these locusts representing?

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Earburner

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Its in the letter of james where i got the three and one half years about elisha and the drought .
Yes! Which is descriptive of the joint ministry of John the Bapist and Jesus.
John was for 6 mos., and Jesus was for 3 years. = 1260 days.
The drought is symbolic of the Holy Spirit not coming down from heaven to people, which is the early and latter rain.

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though you are not requesting it, my understanding is that the "early rain" is that of the joint ministry of John and Jesus, who are the ONLY "TWO" who had the Holy Spirit upon birth.
The "latter rain" is that of Pentecost, when God made the Gift of the Holy Spirit freely available to ALL who ask (Luke 11:13), through faith in Jesus. ALL of which directly ties in with Rom. 8:8-9.
 
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One place can be spiritually called another place, and the same can represent something else while being literally true. For example we were enemies in our MINDS, Jesus was crucified at a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of A SKULL. Similarly to be "carnally minded" IS death, and that is where they crucified him. And we PASSOVER (by Christ) from death (which also pertains to the MIND) unto life (which also pertains to being spiritually minded) and we can often shuffle through that symbolism.

As perfectly or imperfectly as we can, but its gotta layout just right, and I tear my own stuff up trying to get it to fit without me "adding words" to it trying to get it to bend in whatever way I feel its going. Its hard to keep yourself from doing that too, when you become impatience to what is building, but there is never a regret when you hold off (wait on it) and can finally lay it out right.

This was one of those places for me, because his name also pertains to the forehead

Deut 16:6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, (( there )) thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

And I am thinking, Jesus (our passover) was crucified/sacrficed at a place called Galgotha ( by interpretation "the place of the skull") also spiritually relating to Egypt (as noted above and also below) being signified (or spirtually called)

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

1Cr 5:7 For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Okay, see where I am going a little, t the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name **IN**, ((( there ))) thou shalt sacrifice the passover

The place of A SKULL (Get it? empty headed, know not what we do?)

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies **IN** YOUR MIND by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.

The name and forehead

Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be **IN** their foreheads.

Yadda yadda (imperfectedly laid out I know, that is sort of the point too, just speaking off the cuff) trying to make it "work" using too many of my own words (square pegs in round holes).

So I see what you are trying to do, I understand the "attempts" I think its great, we all do it to some extent when we are catching something we know is there while comparing things but we can also jump the gun and not wait on the thing until it comes into better focus.

Might be a good idea to start threads on pictures in the scriptures you might see as building and just post snippets of what you are catching and have others weigh in and add to it if they are able. Or come back to it again and again adding to it. I do that all the time in my documents. I might have something laid out 20 different ways and so chose from which one I would post in a snippet to add to the current conversation to be helpful where I can.

Just continue doing what you are doing, it will come together more perfectly if you dont force it but wait on it, sometimes forcing it prevents the direction it might otherwise go.

Not to mention, somethings I would not share on an open board until they are tightly knitted together, because its easier to shred before you have everything tied in. Unless you just put it out there that they pieces and seem to go, and asking others to add to it, to perhaps help validate a line of thinking. But after you are like 99% sure then do it, thats when its fun, because you worked out all the kinks (every which way you could before putting it out there).

I just dont want to throw a cold rag on your enthusiam or anything, I dont mean to that, I just cant go further when it speaks of these two who die (and whose bodies were not suffered burial) in the place where ALSO our Lord was crucified because to do so it would be pushing the line of denying a gospel truth (Christ died AND was buried) so we do not disregard that truth. Because seeing something spiritually should not negate the gospel. Whereas the place of the skull (if taken it spiritually speaking for instance) can open more things up to us found in the writings without doing violence to the truth (If you know what I mean).

I am not a good person to talk to, I can never write from myself the way I would like to, but maybe you catch the jist of my attempt here.
Yes, I do "catch the jist" of what you are saying, and it is very good.
As you imply, through "the mind of Christ" within us, we can know the "hidden wisdom of God", aka "the things of God", but because of our limitations in this flesh, we can only "know in part".
Your counsel is wise, and is to be heeded, as that I do.

I have know doubt, that this topic of our discussion, is on the correct path and does have merit, however as you and I are discovering, in this world, it may never reach an end of full disclosure.

Thanks for listening, and may the Lord's Peace be with you, until our next discussion,
Earburner
 

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Yes! Which is descriptive of the joint ministry of John the Bapist and Jesus.
John was for 6 mos., and Jesus was for 3 years. = 1260 days.
The drought is symbolic of the Holy Spirit not coming down from heaven to people, which is the early and latter rain.
sounds man made to me friend . I wonder how they came up with JOHN was for six months .
It all sounds made of men to me .
I have another rather interesting question i KNOW we need to consider .
What are you feelings about the lets find common ground of interfaith . HOW do you view interfaith .
 
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Yes, I do "catch the jist" of what you are saying, and it is very good.
As you imply, through "the mind of Christ" within us, we can know the "hidden wisdom of God", aka "the things of God", but because of our limitations in this flesh, we can only "know in part".
Your counsel is wise, and is to be heeded, as that I do.

I have know doubt, that this topic of our discussion, is on the correct path and does have merit, however as you and I are discovering, in this world, it may never reach an end of full disclosure.

Thanks for listening, and may the Lord's Peace be with you, until our next discussion,
Earburner

This one went far better than our last clfh

Much more cordial disagreement on a little here and there.

And peace to you in Christ as well Earburner, God's richest blessings
 
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sounds man made to me friend . I wonder how they came up with JOHN was for six months .
It's scriptural in the NT. I'm sure you can find it.
It all sounds made of men to me .
That is your perogative, according to your understanding.
I have another rather interesting question i KNOW we need to consider .
What are you feelings about the lets find common ground of interfaith . HOW do you view interfaith .
Interfaith is fine, as long as it is being sought after in "the hidden wisdom of God", and not by "the wisdom of men". 1 Cor. ch. 2.

Do you "have the mind [spirit] of Christ", or that of those who "have a form of godliness"?
Rom. 8:8-9 says something VERY important:
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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please see my update in post #241
 
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It's scriptural in the NT. I'm sure you can find it.

That is your perogative, according to your understanding.

Interfaith is fine, as long as it is being sought after in "the hidden wisdom of God", and not by "the wisdom of men". 1 Cor. ch. 2.

Do you "have the mind [spirit] of Christ", or that of those who "have a form of godliness"?
Rom. 8:8-9 says something VERY important:
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
i figured as much my friend . INTERFAITH is of anti christ . NOT GOD .
interfaith must be fled .
 
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claiming interfaith can be done in the wisdom of GOD
is like saying FORNICATION can be done so long as its done in the wisdom of GOD .
NO DEAL .
I warned us all this lamb makes NO DEAL with anti christ and will heed no man
no matter how well he tries to justify interfaith .
El padre de mintidas y meurte .
The serpent knoweth how to decieve and to allure .
If a man cometh and says lets meet halfway , NO DEAL .
If a man even comes and says hey amigo cant we just accept twenty percent leaven . NO DEAL .
If a man says hey tone it down , lets accept ten percent leaven . NO DEAL .
IF a man comes and says HEY , what about five percent leaven . NO DEAL .
If a man comes and says , HEY what about one percent dude , NO DEAL .
NOT A WORD ONE OF THA TGOSPEL and of CHRIST will be removed and or omitted on MY WATCH .
SO my answer to interfaith . NO DEAL i dont sit at the table of anti christ . i expose it and its doctrine .
 
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Well, not necessarily, if one is focussing on "bugs".
You might consider the more logical alternative, a Locust tree.
I was told it was some sort of locust "beans", I never heard of such a thing, all I know is it says his meat locusts

Mat 3:4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

They didn't have Raid bug killer and they plentiful, not mention allowed by law

Levitus 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.

Wash em' down with a little honey since the legs might get caught in your throat clfh (Gross!)

It just dawned on me that there was a BALD locust is listed there but not the kind with the HAIR of women like in Revelation, theres gotta be more to this, why be so specific? clfh
 
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claiming interfaith can be done in the wisdom of GOD
is like saying FORNICATION can be done so long as its done in the wisdom of GOD .
NO DEAL .
I warned us all this lamb makes NO DEAL with anti christ and will heed no man
no matter how well he tries to justify interfaith .
El padre de mintidas y meurte .
The serpent knoweth how to decieve and to allure .
If a man cometh and says lets meet halfway , NO DEAL .
If a man even comes and says hey amigo cant we just accept twenty percent leaven . NO DEAL .
If a man says hey tone it down , lets accept ten percent leaven . NO DEAL .
IF a man comes and says HEY , what about five percent leaven . NO DEAL .
If a man comes and says , HEY what about one percent dude , NO DEAL .
NOT A WORD ONE OF THA TGOSPEL and of CHRIST will be removed and or omitted on MY WATCH .
SO my answer to interfaith . NO DEAL i dont sit at the table of anti christ . i expose it and its doctrine .
@amigo de christo
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Spiritualising away something you cannot understand, or maybe do not want to understand because it clashes with your preconceived ideas, is a clever way of pretending you are spiritually superior and more enlightened without having to actually prove it.

What a fool.

1Co 2:13-14
(13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

My methodology is the "exact" same methodology and interpretation that Christ Himself used and that is used "all" throughout the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation. For example, the Serpent, the Plagues, the Flood, the blood sacrifices, the Ablutions, the Fig Tree, the Temple, the Wold and sheep, the Candlesticks, Stars, locusts, chains, horsemen, as well as the numbers in the book of Revelation. What you disdainfully call Spiritualizing is what God has done consistently throughout the whole Bible. What you may call "liberal thinking" is the Kingdom of God that Christ described as a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls, a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind, a man that is a householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old, and on and on. A Temple that would be destroyed and raised again in 3 days, a roaring lion, an Olive Tree, a fold of sheep. The fact is, you are simply not listening. I noticed many people concerning national Israel, Christ said the Kingdom was taken from them and given to another, which they accused me of replacement theology. ...it's not that these very "literal" things have not been said, it's that you are not listening with ears of the Spirit.
 

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All those above time periods are symbolic, not given in normal language, and are future to the time the prophecy is given. All 7 prophecies apply to the same exact period...538AD to 1798AD.

538AD to 1798AD? LOL! The Chosen Church of Christ (NOT Catholic Church) barely started with her great commission to gather all Elects of the world until the last Elect was secured, which did not occur until LONG after 538AD, Revelation 7:1-4. THEN the smoke locusts can come out of the bottomless pit for 5 symbolic months, the great tribulation period itself. Your interpretation of 5 months locusts of Revelation 9 is wrong.
 
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I am not into the Pope or anything he has to say, I just want to know where this interfaith thing is in this particular discussion. I know Amigo is yelling "fire" in the room (so to speak) and keeps repeating it as if everyone knows what this word means and can identify where it is in the discussion. Its always a good thing to use the scripture at whatever error there might be and correct it so people can see it.

Basically just show the boogie man in the room, that would be helpful.

Like, if you said something wrong, magnify the wrong spoken.

Although I think this has to do with John and the number of months (which can very well be between 3-6 months). Which ofcourse I do not see precisely saying so much. However I can understand how one can come to this given Jesus would have been born three months after John seeing that Elizabeth was in her 6th month when Jesus was conceived as told us here Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. So obviously, they would both be around 30 years old (Luke 3:23). And we know John is sent before Jesus and Johns ministry was cut short (before Jesus was cut off) which appears to be in the middle of the week given Daniel, so thats 3 1/2 years on his part. Its still not clear to me how to whittle that down more precisely. If someone can that would be great, and would love to hear that, its not all that far fetched at all. There are far better (and clearer) scripture that can refute a point than going after that particular one when it comes to building the case for what we were contending over. Its not some deal breaker
 

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I am not into the Pope or anything he has to say, I just want to know where this interfaith thing is in this particular discussion. I know Amigo is yelling "fire" in the room (so to speak) and keeps repeating it as if everyone knows what this word means and can identify where it is in the discussion. Its always a good thing to use the scripture at whatever error there might be and correct it so people can see it.

Basically just show the boogie man in the room, that would be helpful.

Like, if you said something wrong, magnify the wrong spoken.

Although I think this has to do with John and the number of months (which can very well be between 3-6 months). Which ofcourse I do not see precisely saying so much. However I can understand how one can come to this given Jesus would have been born three months after John seeing that Elizabeth was in her 6th month when Jesus was conceived as told us here Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. So obviously, they would both be around 30 years old (Luke 3:23). And we know John is sent before Jesus and Johns ministry was cut short (before Jesus was cut off) which appears to be in the middle of the week given Daniel, so thats 3 1/2 years on his part. Its still not clear to me how to whittle that down more precisely. If someone can that would be great, and would love to hear that, its not all that far fetched at all. There are far better (and clearer) scripture that can refute a point than going after that particular one when it comes to building the case for what we were contending over. Its not some deal breaker
Interfaith means all believing that one doesn’t necessarily have to believe in Jesus to be saved and that we all worship the same God. That is what it is leading them to. Interfaith is leading them all to believe what you see in that video.
 
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I am not into the Pope or anything he has to say, I just want to know where this interfaith thing is in this particular discussion. I know Amigo is yelling "fire" in the room (so to speak) and keeps repeating it as if everyone knows what this word means and can identify where it is in the discussion. Its always a good thing to use the scripture at whatever error there might be and correct it so people can see it.

Basically just show the boogie man in the room, that would be helpful.

Like, if you said something wrong, magnify the wrong spoken.

Although I think this has to do with John and the number of months (which can very well be between 3-6 months). Which ofcourse I do not see precisely saying so much. However I can understand how one can come to this given Jesus would have been born three months after John seeing that Elizabeth was in her 6th month when Jesus was conceived as told us here Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. So obviously, they would both be around 30 years old (Luke 3:23). And we know John is sent before Jesus and Johns ministry was cut short (before Jesus was cut off) which appears to be in the middle of the week given Daniel, so thats 3 1/2 years on his part. Its still not clear to me how to whittle that down more precisely. If someone can that would be great, and would love to hear that, its not all that far fetched at all. There are far better (and clearer) scripture that can refute a point than going after that particular one when it comes to building the case for what we were contending over. Its not some deal breaker
Never believe me with numbers, I stink at math, someone has to redo the due dates I think I am wrong
 

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Interfaith means all believing that one doesn’t necessarily have to believe in Jesus to be saved and that we all worship the same God. That is what it is leading them to. Interfaith is leading them all to believe what you see in that video.
Thanks Marvelloustime, I did not see anyone professing such a thing as I was looking for a wrong somewhere that sure didnt need the Pope for.