Revelation 9:1 - 11 Who are these locusts representing?

[Earburner]

That makes no sense, they are mentioned here together as well.

Deut 8:15 Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;



Serpents and scorpions

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Jesus is speaking of spirits

Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.



Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.



And we know Jesus clarified he what he was speaking of, which is spirits

Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.



Says the stings are in their tails, not that hypodermic needles are in their hands. Not to mention with the same they tormented the unsealed for five months.


I have done my research, on both the jab and the scripture, and I do not believe Jesus was speaking of this there. Its way too much of a stretch for me to agree to this.

When did I not show spirits/demons USING people for their own purposes??

"The symbolic word of a "scorpion", used in Rev. 9:1-11, is definitely relative to the literal manifestation of Satan to HURT men, by literally stinging them, using people who have the medical authority to do so."
[10] And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were [literal] stings in their tails: and their power was to HURT men five months.

 

[ewq1938]

"Rain" is symbolic of the Holy Spirit, as in the "early rain" and the "latter rain".

During the joint minisistry of John the Baptist and Jesus [Zech. 4:14], who both ONLY were born with the Holy Spirit,

Neither were born with the HS.

it did not symbolically "rain" on the earth (people), except THROUGH THEM for 3.5 years.

John was dead for most of Christ's ministry so that leaves him out and the two prophets of Rev 11 die at the same time in Jerusalem. They also are killed by a beast that isn't here yet so that eliminates any people that have already lived and died.

 

[Verily]

My point is, there is a reason why Jesus used the word scorpion, when the word serpent was sufficient in Luke 10:19.

^The above^ You could say the same to the below in Deut 8:15

Deut 8:15 Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;

Why couldn't Jesus be speaking according what was written before of the same, since the two are mentioned beforehand?

When did I not show spirits/demons USING people for their own purposes??

"The symbolic word of a "scorpion", used in Rev. 9:1-11, is definitely relative to the literal manifestation of Satan to HURT men, by literally stinging them, using people who have the medical authority to do so."
[10] And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were [literal] stings in their tails: and their power was to HURT men five months.

Not seeing covid shots as having anything to do with either portion of scripture.

And I know you will just going and going and going, I simply disagree.

 

[ewq1938]

When did I not show spirits/demons USING people for their own purposes??

"The symbolic word of a "scorpion", used in Rev. 9:1-11, is definitely relative to the literal manifestation of Satan to HURT men, by literally stinging them, using people who have the medical authority to do so."
[10] And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were [literal] stings in their tails: and their power was to HURT men five months.

G2759
????????
kentron
ken'-tron
From ??????? kenteo? (to prick); a point (“centre”), that is, a sting (figuratively poison) or goad (figuratively divine impulse): - prick, sting.
Total KJV occurrences: 5

 

[Verily]

Neither were born with the HS.

What would you call this then?

Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb

 

[ewq1938]

What would you call this then?

Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb

A figure of speech?

And Christ, was he not anointed with the HS rather than having had it before?

Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[Verily]

A figure of speech?

And Christ, was he not anointed with the HS rather than having had it before?

Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The one I posted was for John being full of the Holy Ghost from the womb

On the otherhand this was a sign for John concerning Christ

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Whereas (much earlier) the one in Mary and the filling of Elizabeth with the Holy Ghost came between the two of them earlier on (when both were in the womb)

Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

Edited: I meant "between not by"

 

[Earburner]

A figure of speech?

And Christ, was he not anointed with the HS rather than having had it before?

Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mat. 1
[20] But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Prior to Jesus being conceived in the flesh of His mortal body, He was ALREADY of Himself of Eternal Holy Spirit.
John 8
[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

In the scripture you quoted (Mark 1:10-11), it was the act of God the Father taking up residence within the body of mortal flesh, that He had "prepared" for His Son. He was in that moment enjoining His Son.
Heb. 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Surely you don't think that you or any of us are conceived of by the Holy Spirit?
No. We each are conceived of each other through seed.

John the Baptist and Jesus ARE the fulfilment of Zech. 4:14, being the "two anointed ones", aka the "two witnesses" of Rev. 11:3, whose joint ministry was for 3.5 years. John witnessed for 6 mos. and then Jesus witnessed for 3.0 years, altogether for 1260 days.

All professing Christians must cease from giving heed to "the wisdom of men" (church-ianity), falsely thinking that the book of Revelation must be read chronologically.
1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [anointed hidden wisdom] of God.
1 Cor. 2
[7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Again: I strongly urge all to fully study and thoroughly digest all of 1 Cor. ch. 2

 

[Earburner]

^The above^ You could say the same to the below in Deut 8:15

Deut 8:15 Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;

Why couldn't Jesus be speaking according what was written before of the same, since the two are mentioned beforehand?



Not seeing covid shots as having anything to do with either portion of scripture.

And I know you will just going and going and going, I simply disagree.

No, I will not be going on and on about the physical manifestation of that prophecy in Rev. 9:1-11, of how evil spirits do cause "hurt" through men who are "unsaved".
You simply disagree, and that is fine with me.

But, what will you say of Rev. 9:12-21, when that comes to pass, whereby 1/3 of men are killed off in the region of the Euphrates River?

 [15] And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
[18] By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
[19] For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
It's called WW3.

 

[Verily]

No, I will not be going on and on about the physical manifestation of of that prophecy in Rev. 9:1-11, of how evil spirits do cause "hurt" through the unsaved of men.
You simply disagree, and that is fine with me.

But, what will you say of Rev. 9:12-21, when that comes to pass, whereby 1/3 of men are killed off in the region of the Euphrates River?

 [15] And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
[18] By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
[19] For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

I cannot believe it, you are going to be gracious towards me while we disagree. This is a new you and I like it.

And by the way, I don't really say so much about the two olive trees just because I am yet unconvinced as to who they are or who they symbolize, but I have studied this over a decade ago, and still could not be convinced in myself concerning them. There is very little I am 100% convinced of because I will tare my own observations apart. But its not that I am blind to certain comparisons between them. I am not sure whether you caught this one, but if it could help you, unless you already caught it already concerning the two, here is another place one could possibly compare.

The Spirit and power of Elijah as is shown in John

Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

He was to turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers.

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

And if you return back to Mal 4:6 which was quoted concerning John in Luke 1:17 it adds the following line

Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So Elijah goes before Elisha. John goes before Jesus. Elisha is the one that received a double portion of the same Spirit on Elijah, but Elisha was the one who cursed the 42 childen (notice the number 42 there)

2 Kings 2:24 And he (Elisha) turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

And so it was the two she bears that tare the "cursed children" (42 of them)

There are parts of it that go and parts that do not fit, and so its not like I would say do not go down any path with it that you feel you are led to, but for me (and this is just a small part) I couldnt get it to mesh as perfectly as I would need it to be to be convinced in myself and I try not to speculate and try to "get it to" fit they way I might attempt to do when I could not line things up perfectly enough to present it. Thats all.

 

[Earburner]

I cannot believe it, you are going to be gracious towards me while we disagree. This is a new you and I like it.

And by the way, I don't really say so much about the two olive trees just because I am yet unconvinced as to who they are or who they symbolize, but I have studied this over a decade ago, and still could not be convinced in myself concerning them. There is very little I am 100% convinced of because I will tare my own observations apart. But its not that I am blind to certain comparisons between them. I am not sure whether you caught this one, but if it could help you, unless you already caught it already concerning the two, here is another place one could possibly compare.

The Spirit and power of Elijah as is shown in John

Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

He was to turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers.

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

And if you return back to Mal 4:6 which was quoted concerning John in Luke 1:17 it adds the following line

Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So Elijah goes before Elisha. John goes before Jesus. Elisha is the one that received a double portion of the same Spirit on Elijah, but Elisha was the one who cursed the 42 childen (notice the number 42 there)

2 Kings 2:24 And he (Elisha) turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

And so it was the two she bears that tare the "cursed children" (42 of them)

There are parts of it that go and parts that do not fit, and so its not like I would say do not go down any path with it that you feel you are led to, but for me (and this is just a small part) I couldnt get it to mesh as perfectly as I would need it to be to be convinced in myself and I try not to speculate and try to "get it to" fit they way I might attempt to do when I could not line things up perfectly enough to present it. Thats all.

To much of what you say, I agree.
But as to who John the Baptist was, he came in the spirit (character/nature) of Elijah, of which was promised in Malachi 4:5-6.

However, before I fully agree with anyone, or myself, I look to the authority of Christ's words as being the truth of what we should know and believe, about one of two men, who were the only two ever, that had the indwelling presence of Holy Spirit upon birth.

So then, in the following, I am providing the contextual truth about John, from Jesus Himself:
Mat. 11
[7] And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
[8] But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
[9] But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
[10] For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare THY way before thee.
[11] Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he [which is Jesus pointing to Himself, being "the least"].
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven ["in earthen vessels"] suffereth violence, and the violent take it [them two] by force [John was beheaded and Jesus was crucified].
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14] And if ye will receive it, this [John the baptist] is Elias [Elijah], which was for to come.

[15] He that hath ears to hear [truth], let him hear [the truth].

 

[Verily]

To much of what you say, I agree.
But as to who John the Baptist was, he came in the spirit (character/nature) of Elijah, of which was promised in Malachi 4:5-6.

However, before I fully agree with anyone, or myself, I look to the authority of Christ's words as being the truth of what we should know and believe, about one of two men, who were the only two ever, that had the indwelling presence of Holy Spirit upon birth.

So then, in the following, I am providing the contextual truth about John, from Jesus Himself:
Mat. 11
[7] And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
[8] But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
[9] But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
[10] For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare THY way before thee.
[11] Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he [which is Jesus pointing to Himself, being "the least"].
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven [on earth] suffereth violence, and the violent take it [them two] by force [John was beheaded and Jesus was crucified].
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias [Elijah], which was for to come.

[15] He that hath ears to hear [truth], let him hear [the truth].

Yeah contextually John went before Jesus just as Elijah went before Elisha, which is what I said. John being that Elijah which was for to come and so likewise Jesus said, " That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Mat 17:12

John was beheaded and then after Jesus was crucified

It says of these two witnesses

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Not seeing how this is John and Jesus , they get killed and their bodies are not suffered burial

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Jesus Christ to the contrary of the above was buried

1 Cr 15:3-4 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

[Brakelite]

Of course, many people don't agree because they have a carnal mind - looking for literal fulfillment to fit their flawed doctrine. Not surprised.

Five months is not equivalent to 150 years. Instead, it represents a spiritual period—the time between the loosening of the locusts and the Second Coming. Since we cannot determine the exact beginning and end of this period, only God knows the true timeline.

Spiritualising away something you cannot understand, or maybe do not want to understand because it clashes with your preconceived ideas, is a clever way of pretending you are spiritually superior and more enlightened without having to actually prove it.

 

[Brakelite]

yea rather lets examine and compare it to scripture . Notice one hundred and fifty days
is also mentioned in THE RAINS during the days of noah . now also take note the three and one half years , the twelve hundred and sixty days ,
the forty two months in the book revelation chapter eleven , twelve and thirteen . Same amount of time
and its occuring during the same time . , the three and one half years of the heavens gave no rain
in the days of elisha . Troubling times indeed . OH i do know at times a day sure can represent a year
as we see GOD tell the prophet to lay on his side forty days , each day representing a year .
But that be not the case in revelation and this five months .

Yep...
“And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days. ”
Genesis 7:24 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

Normal language given in the context of speaking of a past event. Not prophetic.

“And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word. ”
1 Kings 17:1 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
Nothing specific prophetically concerning time...

Nor here...

“And it came to pass after many days, that the word of the LORD came to Elijah in the third year, saying, Go, shew thyself unto Ahab; and I will send rain upon the earth. ”
1 Kings 18:1 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

However, Jesus spoke historically when He mentioned...
“But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; ”
Luke 4:25 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
Notice all the above that those numbers were not only spoken of an event in the past, but in plain language as one would normally speak. However, when speaking prophetically, the numbers mentioned are not spoken in ordinary every day language, for example, those ones you mentioned in Revelation, which by the way match some in Daniel, 7 in all, all day for a year amounting to 1260 years, the very same 1260 years but from the perspective of different subjects... some pertaining to the church suffering under persecution but being protected and pricier for by God through the same period...

“And he (the little horn/ Antichrist) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."
Daniel 7:25 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

3 and a half years×days=1260=years

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. ”
Daniel 12:7 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

And others pertaining to the antichrist doing the persecuting... until the apparent mortal wound from which it recovers some time later...

“2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city (The church) shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, (the old and new testaments) and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. ”
Revelation 11:2-3 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. ”
Revelation 12:6 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“And to the woman (the church) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. ”
Revelation 12:14 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

“And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. ”
Revelation 13:5 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

All those above time periods are symbolic, not given in normal language, and are future to the time the prophecy is given. All 7 prophecies apply to the same exact period...538AD to 1798AD.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yep...
“And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days. ”
Genesis 7:24 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

Normal language given in the context of speaking of a past event. Not prophetic.

“And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word. ”
1 Kings 17:1 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
Nothing specific prophetically concerning time...

Nor here...

“And it came to pass after many days, that the word of the LORD came to Elijah in the third year, saying, Go, shew thyself unto Ahab; and I will send rain upon the earth. ”
1 Kings 18:1 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

However, Jesus spoke historically when He mentioned...
“But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; ”
Luke 4:25 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
Notice all the above that those numbers were not only spoken of an event in the past, but in plain language as one would normally speak. However, when speaking prophetically, the numbers mentioned are not spoken in ordinary every day language, for example, those ones you mentioned in Revelation, which by the way match some in Daniel, 7 in all, all day for a year amounting to 1260 years, the very same 1260 years but from the perspective of different subjects... some pertaining to the church suffering under persecution but being protected and pricier for by God through the same period...

“And he (the little horn/ Antichrist) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."
Daniel 7:25 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

3 and a half years×days=1260=years

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. ”
Daniel 12:7 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

And others pertaining to the antichrist doing the persecuting... until the apparent mortal wound from which it recovers some time later...

“2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city (The church) shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, (the old and new testaments) and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. ”
Revelation 11:2-3 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. ”
Revelation 12:6 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“And to the woman (the church) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. ”
Revelation 12:14 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

“And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. ”
Revelation 13:5 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

All those above time periods are symbolic, not given in normal language, and are future to the time the prophecy is given. All 7 prophecies apply to the same exact period...538AD to 1798AD.

Its in the letter of james where i got the three and one half years about elisha and the drought .

 

[Verily]

Here is three years

Luke 13:6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.

Luke 13:7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?

Luke 13:8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:

Luke 13:9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Okay he is adding a year

Luke 13:8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:

Mal 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

Thats pretty descriptive lol

 

[amigo de christo]

Yep...
“And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days. ”
Genesis 7:24 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

Normal language given in the context of speaking of a past event. Not prophetic.

“And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word. ”
1 Kings 17:1 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
Nothing specific prophetically concerning time...

Nor here...

“And it came to pass after many days, that the word of the LORD came to Elijah in the third year, saying, Go, shew thyself unto Ahab; and I will send rain upon the earth. ”
1 Kings 18:1 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

However, Jesus spoke historically when He mentioned...
“But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; ”
Luke 4:25 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
Notice all the above that those numbers were not only spoken of an event in the past, but in plain language as one would normally speak. However, when speaking prophetically, the numbers mentioned are not spoken in ordinary every day language, for example, those ones you mentioned in Revelation, which by the way match some in Daniel, 7 in all, all day for a year amounting to 1260 years, the very same 1260 years but from the perspective of different subjects... some pertaining to the church suffering under persecution but being protected and pricier for by God through the same period...

“And he (the little horn/ Antichrist) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."
Daniel 7:25 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

3 and a half years×days=1260=years

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. ”
Daniel 12:7 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

And others pertaining to the antichrist doing the persecuting... until the apparent mortal wound from which it recovers some time later...

“2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city (The church) shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, (the old and new testaments) and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. ”
Revelation 11:2-3 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. ”
Revelation 12:6 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“And to the woman (the church) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. ”
Revelation 12:14 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

“And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. ”
Revelation 13:5 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

All those above time periods are symbolic, not given in normal language, and are future to the time the prophecy is given. All 7 prophecies apply to the same exact period...538AD to 1798AD.

Never bend the knee to interfaith finding common ground . No matter who speaks on it .
Let no man bend the knee and drink the cup of a harlot .

 

[Earburner]

Yeah contextually John went before Jesus just as Elijah went before Elisha, which is what I said. John being that Elijah which was for to come and so likewise Jesus said, " That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Mat 17:12

John was beheaded and then after Jesus was crucified

Correct.

It says of these two witnesses

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Not seeing how this is John and Jesus , they get killed and their bodies are not suffered burial

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Jesus Christ to the contrary of the above was buried

1 Cr 15:3-4 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I'll take this one step at a time.
I'm not saying that I have the answer, but rather that our approach may be all wrong.
Most Christians approach the verses, that you listed, literally and secularly.

KJV Rev. 11:8 And their [preordained] dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually [figuratively] is called Sodom [Sin] and Egypt [Bondage], where also our Lord was crucified.
>In KJV Rev. 11:8, the words "shall lie" in the street is an insertion. But, in the TR Greek text, those words are not there: TRG- "and their corpses in the square of the great city which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was also crucified".

Also, the word: "spiritually", is our clue for interpretation and understanding, just as we know that John the Baptist was not literally Elijah, and Jesus was not literally Elisha.

The words: "where also our Lord was crucified" is not a reminder, but rather a rhetorical notation to earthly Jerusalem, as being "that great city" of SIN and BONDAGE.

KJV Rev. 11:9 ...and they of the people [on lookers] shall not suffer [cause/affect] their dead bodies to be put [appointed] in graves, [both John and Jesus were spiritually resurrected immediately upon Jesus' mortal DEATH.] Mat.27:50-52 is important to understand.
Though their mortal bodies were preordained to die, the Eternal Holy Spirit within John and Jesus COULD NOT DIE. Mat. 27:50-54]. See also Eph. 4:8-9.

 

[Verily]

They shopped at the same store

2Kings 1:7 And he said unto them, What manner of man was he which came up to meet you, and told you these words?

2Kings 1:8 And they answered him, He was an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins. And he said, It is Elijah the Tishbite.

Of John (the Elijah who was for to come)

Mark 1:6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;

Luke 7:24 And, he Jesus began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

Luke 7:25 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts.

Luke 7:26 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

Luke 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

The prophet of the highest

Luke 1:76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways

Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Likewise

John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John ate locusts, think that fits?

 

[Verily]

Correct.

I'll take this one step at a time.
I'm not saying that I have the answer, but rather that our approach may be all wrong.
Most Christians approach the verses, that you listed, literally and secularly.

KJV Rev. 11:8 And their [preordained] dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually [figuratively] is called Sodom [Sin] and Egypt [Bondage], where also our Lord was crucified.
>In KJV Rev. 11:8, the words "shall lie" in the street is an insertion. But, in the TR Greek text, those words are not there: "and their corpses in the square of the great city which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was also crucified

Also, the word: "spirtually", is our clue for interpretation and understanding, just as we know that John the Baptist was not literally Elijah, and Jesus was not literally Elisha.

The words: "where also our Lord was crucified" is not a reminder, but rather a rhetorical notation to earthly Jerusalem, as being "that great city" of SIN and BONDAGE.

Rev. 11:9 ...and they of the people [on lookers] shall not suffer [cause/affect] their dead bodies to be put [appointed] in graves, [both John and Jesus were spiritually resurrected immediately upon Jesus' mortal DEATH. Mat.27:50-52 is important to understand.
Though their mortal bodies were preordained to die, the Eternal Holy Spirit within John and Jesus COULD NOT DIE. Mat. 27:50-54].

One place can be spiritually called another place, and the same can represent something else while being literally true. For example we were enemies in our MINDS, Jesus was crucified at a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of A SKULL. Similarly to be "carnally minded" IS death, and that is where they crucified him. And we PASSOVER (by Christ) from death (which also pertains to the MIND) unto life (which also pertains to being spiritually minded) and we can often shuffle through that symbolism.

As perfectly or imperfectly as we can, but its gotta layout just right, and I tear my own stuff up trying to get it to fit without me "adding words" to it trying to get it to bend in whatever way I feel its going. Its hard to keep yourself from doing that too, when you become impatience to what is building, but there is never a regret when you hold off (wait on it) and can finally lay it out right.

This was one of those places for me, because his name also pertains to the forehead

Deut 16:6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, (( there )) thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

And I am thinking, Jesus (our passover) was crucified/sacrficed at a place called Galgotha ( by interpretation "the place of the skull") also spiritually relating to Egypt (as noted above and also below) being signified (or spirtually called)

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

1Cr 5:7 For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Okay, see where I am going a little, t the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name **IN**, ((( there ))) thou shalt sacrifice the passover

The place of A SKULL (Get it? empty headed, know not what we do?)

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies **IN** YOUR MIND by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.

The name and forehead

Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be **IN** their foreheads.

Yadda yadda (imperfectedly laid out I know, that is sort of the point too, just speaking off the cuff) trying to make it "work" using too many of my own words (square pegs in round holes).

So I see what you are trying to do, I understand the "attempts" I think its great, we all do it to some extent when we are catching something we know is there while comparing things but we can also jump the gun and not wait on the thing until it comes into better focus.

Might be a good idea to start threads on pictures in the scriptures you might see as building and just post snippets of what you are catching and have others weigh in and add to it if they are able. Or come back to it again and again adding to it. I do that all the time in my documents. I might have something laid out 20 different ways and so chose from which one I would post in a snippet to add to the current conversation to be helpful where I can.

Just continue doing what you are doing, it will come together more perfectly if you dont force it but wait on it, sometimes forcing it prevents the direction it might otherwise go.

Not to mention, somethings I would not share on an open board until they are tightly knitted together, because its easier to shred before you have everything tied in. Unless you just put it out there that they pieces and seem to go, and asking others to add to it, to perhaps help validate a line of thinking. But after you are like 99% sure then do it, thats when its fun, because you worked out all the kinks (every which way you could before putting it out there).

I just dont want to throw a cold rag on your enthusiam or anything, I dont mean to that, I just cant go further when it speaks of these two who die (and whose bodies were not suffered burial) in the place where ALSO our Lord was crucified because to do so it would be pushing the line of denying a gospel truth (Christ died AND was buried) so we do not disregard that truth. Because seeing something spiritually should not negate the gospel. Whereas the place of the skull (if taken it spiritually speaking for instance) can open more things up to us found in the writings without doing violence to the truth (If you know what I mean).

I am not a good person to talk to, I can never write from myself the way I would like to, but maybe you catch the jist of my attempt here.