If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?

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Here are a few quick reasons why it can’t be understood literally. These are based off of physics.

1. Some in here has said the world use to have thin water barrier around it making it the perfect climate. There is no such thing as a perfect climate to begin with. But more importantly is what we know as the greenhouse affect.

But before we do that I need to explain the different types of potential water barriers since most never think about it.

If the water canopy was somehow solid water how would it stay in space? How would it float in the sky? Clouds can’t even get to heavy without breaking apart. So how would even a solid 100 foot canopy of water just float around earth?

But let’s say it just did. 100 feet of water, enough to flood coastal areas, definitely not the whole world, was floating magically in space. Well the sunlight hitting it would evaporate it quickly. But let’s pretend that’s not happening either. The sunlight would hit this canopy and it would be like a magnifying glass over earth. Life would be impossible. Everyone and everything would be dead.

Let’s say since 100 feet is not enough what if it was 700 feet? Well the atmospheric pressure would just crush us. But let’s say that did not happen. It also somehow defied gravity and floated up there without changing our atmospheric pressure. Well sunlight can go past that much water really. That’s why it gets darker the deeper you go in the ocean. The whole world would be cast into eternal darkness, and super hot. Like in seconds , fractions of a second, if you just magically popped into existence there you would be melted away and crushed into nothing.

But let’s say it’s not 100% water. Let’s say that it’s a cloud. The sky is covered by clouds. Ever notice how much cooler it gets when a cloud covers the sun, the shadows that sweep across the land? Clouds have like 1% of water in a solid state. It’s actually less. As the clouds get more and more mass and volume, it heats up, condenses the vapor into droplets and as the droplets build up the cloud breaks. If the whole world was covered in a 1 mile thick cloud everything would be supper cold and it would still be just a fraction of the water needed. If the entire ocean was turned into a cloudy barrier around earth it would be almost to the moon. We would be in eternal darkness, frozen and nothing like plants could even develop, no liquid water. It’s just impossible.

Let’s say that it was rings. Like Saturn. Maybe we had giant ice rings around earth. As those rings rotated with us, and blocked the sun sometimes, that part of the world would be cast into deep darkness and freeze everything to death under it. If it was just chunks floating around us like a meteorite shower, still to dark and cold for life.

So basically all of that means that the majority of the water would need to be under the ground. Now a hundred feet or so down water is often cool as it comes up. Colored down from the well pipes. The earth has mountains of roughly 5 miles in height. So like 99% of that would have to be underground. The surface area the earth is roughly 197 million miles squared. So we would need roughly 5 times that to cover everything. That’s roughly 985 million miles squared. Well we know that 96%+ of the earths water is in the ocean. Our crust contains about 0.6% of our water. 2% of it is atmospheric. So that’s not enough to flood the globe. But we believe below the crust, in the mantle there is several times the amount of the earths water. So let’s say that 99.99% of the flood waters was in the mantle. Well the outer layer on the mantle is over 1,000°f and the inner layer, the layer closer to the core, is believed to be around 6,000°f. Now the earths crust is around 30 miles deep.

So let’s consider geysers. The Yellowstone geyser is surface water that seeps into the ground, it then flows into the “vents” which gets superheated from the magma of the mantle rising up and the geyser squirts out at around 500psi shooting up 180 feet and the first part of the explosion is super hot steam with the water being roughly 200°f. But that one geyser is not enough. It would take millions and millions and millions of them. Like every 10 feet and way bigger and stronger. Nothing would drown. Everything would be steamed to death. If you survived the steam, the water would boil your alive in minutes. Before the earth was even 1/4 inch covered in water we would all be dead.

So what’s the science on how the water covered the earth? Once we hammer that out, we can then look at the next issue. How many types/kinds of animals?
 

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Okay for example, in the bible it says that he has a plan for us and a future,

Gods Plan…is for humans To hear, Learn, and decide IF they Want to Freely Choose to be a part of His Plan.

yet there’s people that commit suicide everyday from suffering such as cancer, crippled, etc.

This world is full of People, who have Chosen to Reject Gods Plan, Do whatever Their WAY, for THEIR Benefit, at the consequence of Harm and Demise of others.

So what exactly was there purpose or future?

The Same for ALL, hear, Learn, Gods Plan, and use the Knowledge of Truths, so to NOT fall for Fluffy Words, that imply you are, on the surface part of “their” plan of the WAY to Utopia…
when in Fact, you are simply “their” permanent doormat, that “they” will be the only ones entering through the doorway to luxurious comfort and stability.

I’m not trying to sound mean or cruel i’m just being honest… Also it says that he doesn’t like lazy people and we reap what we sow, yet for example the cartels operating in mexico are pure evil and they live lavish lifestyles and do whatever they want? So how exactly does that make sense?

I would say your “example” of Cartels, operate a bit differently…

Stable of shared Usefulness, Loyal, Through the threshold, “everyone” on the inside, shares in the luxury, stability, booty.
No Doormats, promised, or hopefuls to get in…
Poor, Desperate,Disposable, Easily Convinced, Peons scattered out away from the Compound…given a pittance to do risky works, with no consequence For their Demise…and no shortage of replacements.
 

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If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?

Because God is Real…Noah’s Ark was Possible.

* Gods Gift of Faith given Noah.
* Noah’s Free willing Desire.
* Gods precise Instructions.
* Noah’s Freewill Trust to obey, effort / labor to serve.
* Ark Prep, complete, Noah / family enter.
* God sends Animals per Kinds (not thousands)
* Noah leads the Animals In
* God closes the Door.
* (presumption)Noah, family, animals settle in (while sitting on stead ground) Establish a routine to care for animals / family.
* Seven days Pass.
* Rain From sky, begins…Increases, continues.
* Underground Oceans rise to Earths surface increasing Water load height above the Ground.
* Ark raised up, up, up 25 + Feet or so Above Mountain Tops.
* Earth (destroyed)…Earth IS dry land, land All Wet.
* Air breathing Animals, humans IN water dead.
* A Debate persists for some, over length of time NOAH was IN the Ark…(Just shy of one year TO Just over one year….) no issue for me…to debate.
* Time ON Ark…suspect About approx. 300 animals…Grain for feed stored…Fresh water collected (from rain) …waste overboard, dung collected for heat and cooking / for humans.
* Suspect absence of Wind for most part.
* Time…to Lower Water Level.
* Strong Winds…Assuaging, a sweeping of sorts, (Gods Power over Weather), moving Waters into underground Cracks/ Portals/ Valleys, forming Again, Underground Oceans / Rivers / Reserves.
* Dry land “Restored”…Plants (seeds) regrow in the Earth.
* Remnant of Visible Water Seas, Rivers, Ponds…current to this day.
* Animals repopulate, travel…continues.
* Humans repopulate, travel…continues.

Not Unbelievable…
Gods Creation and Making willing To obey and serve and labor to reap Gods Stainable Provision's.
God maintaining His Control in perfection over the Weather.

Glory to God,
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That is what failed belief looks and sounds like.

For your information, you are looking at it all wrong. That is not what or how the world works. On the contrary, the world is everything everyone ever believed made manifest as evidence for or against us all before the Judgement. Then comes the end.
I'm talking about someone who is not a believer or has not been taught the Bible from their youth.
This looks like a myth
 

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How did Noah’s Ark actually happen? Does anyone else think that seems a little far fetched? I’m just asking what other people opinion is on this? Also, why does the bible constantly contradict itself.
As for contradictions- they are only apparent contradictions due to lack of knowledge on the persons part.

As for the Ark? Why do you think it far fetched. I recommend this website to show you why not only is the Ark true, but science gives strong strong support to the fact that it happened and a global flood scoured and then split the surface of the earth.

www.icr.org
 
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Jesus used “the days of Noah” as an example of what we could expect concerning human behavior in the time of his return. (Matt 24:37-39) If Jesus believed it……I believe it.

God does not depend on human beliefs to carry out his own will….The flood was a reset, because the angelic sons of God having relations with human women, produced a hybrid race of freakish humans, who were extremely violent and immoral.
Does God lie? There is plenty of evidence for the flood as well as the fact that it is attested to in many cultures around the world, who all have their flood legends. These cultures did not invent the story because the Bible itself explains how it spread when God confused the language of the people who were building a false religious tower at Babel. Those language groups who could understand one another spread out into the world, taking the flood story with them.

All humans who exist today are descendants of Noah.
I'm talking about how this looks to a non believer. Think of them as outsiders.
 

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As for contradictions- they are only apparent contradictions due to lack of knowledge on the persons part.

As for the Ark? Why do you think it far fetched. I recommend this website to show you why not only is the Ark true, but science gives strong strong support to the fact that it happened and a global flood scoured and then split the surface of the earth.

www.icr.org
Contradictions are mostly showcased by Christians who believe in God and the Bible being his word within Biblical Scholarships. So it’s actually those that don’t know the Bible very well that don’t see them.
 

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I'm talking about how this looks to a non believer. Think of them as outsiders.
It’s not just outsiders. It’s a very large portion of Christians around the world including the majority of Christians who get their doctorates degree in biblical studies. Most of them also recognizes it as a myth.

I’m a Christian. I read the entire Bible before I turned 17. I went to college several years focused on it and I still consider the story of Noah as a myth.
 

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It’s not just outsiders. It’s a very large portion of Christians around the world including the majority of Christians who get their doctorates degree in biblical studies. Most of them also recognizes it as a myth.

I’m a Christian. I read the entire Bible before I turned 17. I went to college several years focused on it and I still consider the story of Noah as a myth.
The seminary I got my degree from taught that it was all literal.
I see other possibilities
 
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Or did it cover even the tallest mountains which were around 5 miles tall.
I addressed this in another thread, did you forget?

“***5.Furthermore, the Bible indicates, in Psalms 104, that the Flood was the cause of Earth’s mountains reaching such great heights. (With the underground waters spewing upward, the land would, by necessity, settle downward.) This would mean the high[est] mountainous ranges we have today, like the Alps, the Himalayas, the Andes, and others, did not exist before the Flood [… at least their extreme height]; they are relatively young in formation. Some were even underwater prior to the Flood — see #6. (Not that the rocks are young, but that the features they form, are new, geologically speaking. What do we see? We observe crisp, well-defined features! If these mountains were millions of years old, we would see weathered, rounded features, due to the extreme wind and other erosion forces that they constantly endure. But we don’t! (This evidence [for the Flood] is the easiest of all the geological facts to see...yet to me the most overlooked.)”

(Squared brackets- [ ] -with content added to clarify.)

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So, this rebuttal is basically a “strawman” argument you’re presenting.
 
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I addressed this in another thread, did you forget?

“***5.Furthermore, the Bible indicates, in Psalms 104, that the Flood was the cause of Earth’s mountains reaching such great heights. (With the underground waters spewing upward, the land would, by necessity, settle downward.) This would mean the high[est] mountainous ranges we have today, like the Alps, the Himalayas, the Andes, and others, did not exist before the Flood [… at least their extreme height]; they are relatively young in formation. Some were even underwater prior to the Flood — see #6. (Not that the rocks are young, but that the features they form, are new, geologically speaking. What do we see? We observe crisp, well-defined features! If these mountains were millions of years old, we would see weathered, rounded features, due to the extreme wind and other erosion forces that they constantly endure. But we don’t! (This evidence [for the Flood] is the easiest of all the geological facts to see...yet to me the most overlooked.)”

(Squared brackets- [ ] -with content added to clarify.)

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So, this rebuttal is basically a “strawman” argument you’re presenting.
It’s not a strongman argument. It’s just backed by geology, the fossil record, chemistry and so on. What I’m saying is true and what you’re saying is just some made up hillbilly thing.

And I responded to some of this already.

So let’s do it this. Can you cite the scientific paper from a peer reviewed journal that supports what you are saying?

Also…. Explain the physics? All mountains sunk down? Since then they popped up? If they all popped up at the same time do we see the same fossils on them? Explain the nonsense to me?
 

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I understand what you are asking. What I was doing was highlighting why I can’t answer your question. It’s a bad faith question. It’s a crappy question.

I think your position is unbiblical. I think your position is the one not found in the Bible. I think you are the one who is not reading the Bible correctly.

So how did you come to your unbiblical conclusion?

Or you can be mature and ask it the right way.

You can ask me how did I come to my interpretation of the Bible as opposed to your interpretation of the bible. If youre snarky and ask with that adjective though then thats how I am also going to respond.

Your assumption of me being "snarky" goes along with your assumption that I have an "interpretation" and have pit it against your own, as if your admitted "interpretation" is possibly equal to my God given knowledge on the matter. It is not.

Anyway--you answered, admitting that your information is a mere "interpretation." While my reason for posting, was to say that it is wrong.
 
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I'm talking about someone who is not a believer or has not been taught the Bible from their youth.
This looks like a myth
Thank you for that explanation, for a Christian ought not speak as if God's word is myth themselves.

The "myth" outlook however, is true of all explanations, many even requiring more faith than what is true from God.
 

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I'm talking about how this looks to a non believer. Think of them as outsiders.
It doesn’t matter how it appears to those who don’t believe…..what is the difference between “belief” and ”unbelief”?…….GOD. Only if God is “drawing” you, will you become a believer in the first place. (John 6:44; 65)
The truth will be as clear as crystal, but not to the majority. (Matt 7:13-14) and not to those who merely think that they are following Christ, when in actual fact they are following the false teachings of men. (Matt 7:21-23)
Jesus decides who are his own…..only at the judgment will it become obvious who are the “weeds”.
 
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Can you cite the scientific paper from a peer reviewed journal that supports what you are saying?
You mean peer-reviewed articles from the same people who also claim life started through abiogenesis?
If they all popped up at the same time…
I didn’t say “all”, did I?
Explain the nonsense to me?
Attitude noted. Sad.
I provided evidences. How it’s explained, and some of it ignored, is telling.

Take care, my cousin.
 
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Your assumption of me being "snarky" goes along with your assumption that I have an "interpretation" and have pit it against your own, as if your admitted "interpretation" is possibly equal to my God given knowledge on the matter. It is not.

Anyway--you answered, admitting that your information is a mere "interpretation." While my reason for posting, was to say that it is wrong.
So you’re just another one who confuses his interpretation with the words of God himself…… I’ll be honest…. I already knew you that silly. Arrogance and Ignorance never goes very well hand in hand.

Can you explain to me what it means for someone to interpret a Bible verse and then explain to me how you draw conclusion, without interpreting it?
 

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You mean peer-reviewed articles from the same people who also claim life started through abiogenesis?

I didn’t say “all”, did I?

Attitude noted. Sad.
I provided evidences. How it’s explained, and some of it ignored, is telling.

Take care, my cousin.
It’s not ignored. It was read and was clearly pseudoscience. Some of it laughably bad pseudoscience. It’s the type of stiff sixth graders are taught to dismiss.

Which is why you can’t pick one, and then we go through it for a few posts. Pick any one of those silly ideas, post it in your own words, and let’s examine the scientific literature…… or just use common sense. You’ll noticed I posted a few counter arguments, and no one is able to do much countering of them. Pseudoscience and backwards theology never prevails over science and scholarship.

Also what about this.

You mentioned “ I never said all of it popped up” so you believe in evolution? Otherwise you think all the animals in the fossil record created by the flood just popped into existence. Unless you think that drastic of nasal forms taking in divergent traits from days 3-6 to a thousand years later occurred .
 

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Thank you for that explanation, for a Christian ought not speak as if God's word is myth themselves.

The "myth" outlook however, is true of all explanations, many even requiring more faith than what is true from God.
Myth is just a genre when you’re discussing literary styles. It’s like saying Jesus never used parables because you want it to be literal.