Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[face2face]

He definitely implied it. I am just saying that he did not come out and say, "I am God." I think I better word that a little next time I reply to a similar post.

He couldn't because he wasn't

 

[DJT_47]

Hebrews 1:8

King James Version
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8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom

 

[Scott Downey]

Hebrews 1:8​

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King James Version​

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8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom

Must not be in their bible.

 

[Taken]

He definitely implied it. I am just saying that he did not come out and say, "I am God." I think I better word that a little next time I reply to a similar post.

Got your point…and agree with the specifics.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

@everyone else...

There is a much larger issue with Marks teaching which needs exposing:

It never refers in Scripture that "God the Son", survived the death of the body.

"He whom God raised up the third day, and showed him openly" (Acts 10:39-40).

The "him" who was crucified is the same "him" who was resurrected.

Jesus made it clear when He said, "I am he that liveth and was dead" (Rev. 1:18), a statement made after His resurrection.

F2F

Sure… A body God Prepared to be Given unto Death.


Heb 10:5


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Yes, the child that is born at the time of Isaiah’s writings, ~500BC. He will be called those things, that Christ was not.

Some DO believe, Trust, Say Christ the Lord Jesus IS God….

Some DO Not.

Some Speak Against those WHO Do believe, Trust, Say He IS God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

It's sheer blindness to overlook this foundational truth.

Trinitarianism requires abdicating logic. Not a solid foundation to built doctrine.

Converse. Scripture teaches Jesus is the son of God (not God the son). That’s good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for them? Why do they have to go beyond what Scripture teaches?

And why do they have to disrespect Jesus’s sacrifice, which was TOTAL, not 1/2, only 1 of his natures?

 

[pepper]

Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

Yes? Please offer Scriptural Quote.

Glory to God,
Taken

Yes. Jesus did.As did the angel who told his future mortal mother Mary the name her future baby would be known by. Emmanuel meaning, God with us.

That is sustained by John 1 verses.

In the beginning was the word and the word was God.....and the word became flesh (Emmanuel, Jesus) and dwelt among us.

 

[pepper]

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”​

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one.”

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[Taken]

Trinitarianism requires abdicating logic.

True.

The Carnal Mind ciphers a Conclusion …
BY Logic.

The Spiritual Heart chooses To Believe…
By Faith.

Not a solid foundation to built doctrine.

Not so. Rather the complete opposite of what Scripture Teaches, and Why.

We testify of our Belief…By Faith In that Which we Can NOT See, RATHER THAN… Logically Conclude what we CAN SEE, we can THEN Logically Believe.

1 Cor 2:
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Rom 8:
[7] [7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Converse. Scripture teaches Jesus is the son of God (not God the son).

That’s good enough for me.

Look Again WHAT Scripture Teaches…

Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

God iN HEAVEN is CALLED…THE FATHER.

God ON EARTH, “IN the Likeness AS a Man”, IS CALLED…The Son of God.

All created things, from the Beginning, Reproduce it’s SAME KIND of things.

Every REPRODUCED thing HAS A Beginning.

God HAS NO Beginning!

How Does God with NO Beginning, REPRODUCE an Offspring,
With a Beginning…and it BE, In Gods Likeness With No Beginning?

God Did Not Reproduce AN Offspring…
God who IS Spirit…which every Part of God IS Spirit….His Body, His Hands, His Thoughts, His Power, His Word… on and on…
All SPIRIT…

God Created Celestial Spirits and Called them Angels.
God Gave THEM particular Powers.
THEY… can APPEAR (to created humans) IN the Bodily LIKENESS AS A human….and a human, would NOT Know, it was An Angel, and NOT a human.

Heb 13:
[2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Do you believe God would GIVE created Angels POWERS, greater than His OWN?

Nah!

God HAS, Appeared TO human men IN the LIKENESS AS a Human man For Centuries.

Remember Jesus Saying…
John 8:
[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

They scoffed at Jesus.

Remember ABRAM…?
Gen chapter 14:
Had an encounter With One “called” Melchizedek king of Salem, called the High Priest of the Lord, who Blessed ABRAM…

Remember Abraham?
Gen. 18:
[1] And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
[2] And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Gen 18:
Abraham has a conversation with The LORD, who appeared to Abraham in the Likeness AS a man.

Who IS The High Priest, The Everlasting King of Jerusalem?
What has He Been CALLED Through the Centuries?
LORD when in the Garden?
The Angel Of the LORD?
Melchizedek king of Salem?
The Son of God?
KING of kings, LORD of lords?

How many TIMES Has the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY prepared Himself A BODY, in the LIKENESS “AS” a human man, SO human men COULD SEE, the invisible GOD?

Scripture Records…Numerous Times.

Spiritual Understanding REVEALS…
The one called:
JESUS; CHRIST; HIGH PRIEST; WORD of GOD; POWER of GOD; WISDOM of GOD, SON of GOD…
Is no exception…It IS God.

The following …agree is absolutely Logical Carnal Minded wonderings and conclusions…
And a conundrum … when Spiritual Understanding is necessary…regarding God WHO IS Spirit.

Why is it not good enough for them? Why do they have to go beyond what Scripture teaches?

And why do they have to disrespect Jesus’s sacrifice, which was TOTAL, not 1/2, only 1 of his natures?

Col 1:
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;


God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MA2444]

Trinitarianism requires abdicating logic. Not a solid foundation to built doctrine.

Converse. Scripture teaches Jesus is the son of God (not God the son). That’s good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for them? Why do they have to go beyond what Scripture teaches?

And why do they have to disrespect Jesus’s sacrifice, which was TOTAL, not 1/2, only 1 of his natures?

But lots of stuff in the Kingdom of God requires abdicating logic to understand it, sort of. He said lean not upon your own understanding. and we still dont understand it fully. Because it's all spiritual we must be led by the spirit and set doctrine down to receive the spirit. Relationship takes over where doctrine leaves off.

 

[Nancy]

Yes, the child that is born at the time of Isaiah’s writings, ~500BC. He will be called those things, that Christ was not.

And, which child are you speaking of who could possibly fit those descriptions, with scripture please?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Is that you Bill Clinton??? View attachment 55129

:) Thanks.

Early believers were wondering if Jesus and the Father were the same. Were they the same? Were they equals? In what way were they equal or the same? What is sameness?

Suppose two brothers argue over a lollipop.

Andy: Hey, that is MY lollipop!​

Eric: No it isn't. How do you know it's YOUR lollipop? Is your name on it?​

Andy: Mom!​

Eric has raised a good question. One lollipop looks like all the others. How can Andy prove that Eric is holding his lollipop? How will Mom determine if Eric is stealing from Andy or whether Andy might be mistaken? Andy claims that the very lollipop in Eric's hand is ONE-IN-THE-SAME lollipop that belongs to him. Eric maintains that all lollipops share the same attributes, and without distinctive differences, Andy can't know that Eric is holding Andy's lollipop.

Now consider what our Lord said at the Passover when he held up the bread and said, "This is my body." Peter and the other apostles don't interrupt to question whether the Lord might be mistaken. They understand, as we do, that one thing can represent another thing.

Nevertheless, Catholics and Lutherans argue over the meaning of "is." Is the Eucharist Tran-substantial or Con-substantial? The rest of us protestants want to know why even ask that question? We all know that Jesus was using a metaphor.

Again, we moderns don't deal with Platonic categories. Most don't even know how Plato or Aristotle defined a "substance."

When John says that the "Word is God" what does he mean by "is"?

 

[CadyandZoe]

But lots of stuff in the Kingdom of God requires abdicating logic to understand it, sort of. He said lean not upon your own understanding. and we still dont understand it fully. Because it's all spiritual we must be led by the spirit and set doctrine down to receive the spirit. Relationship takes over where doctrine leaves off.

Is it that the kingdom of God is incomprehensible, or that the explanation we were handed is incomprehensible?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Meanwhile, it's clear to the rest of us that Jesus is the Word, the Son of God, God the Son.

Much love!

We all agree that Jesus is the Word of God. We disagree about what that means.

Does this mean that three guys were up in heaven having coffee and one guy decided to come down to earth and temporarily live a mortal life?

Or, as John seems to suggest later in chapter one that the Transcendent Creator of all that exists, created a man to represent him in the world of his creation?

John tells us that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and that Jesus "translates" God.

 

[MA2444]

Is it that the kingdom of God is incomprehensible, or that the explanation we were handed is incomprehensible?

That's the same question, two ways. What it is, is that, the carnal mind (soul-mind/will/emotions) can not understand it.

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned..../KJV

and here it is in the NLT:

2:14
14 But people who aren’t spiritual[a] can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means..../NLT

So when we abdicate logic and reason we are in fact abdicating the soul, because we know that the soul (Mind-will-Emotions) is where our logic and reason are seated. So where does that take us?

John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.../KJV

That's where it takes us, and it is the place that will enlighten us to the absolute truth.

Is your walk with the Lord all doctrinal, or is it spiritual?

When you pick up your bible to read, do you read it from your soul or your spirit?

See what I mean?

 

[Wrangler]

True.

The Carnal Mind ciphers a Conclusion …
BY Logic.

The Spiritual Heart chooses To Believe…
By Faith.

Nonsense! Nothing from the Spirit of God demands we abdicate logic. Nothing.

 

[Wrangler]

But lots of stuff in the Kingdom of God requires abdicating logic to understand it, sort of. He said lean not upon your own understanding

Subordinating your lesser understanding to one with great understanding is logical.

 

[Wrangler]

And, which child are you speaking of who could possibly fit those descriptions, with scripture please?

I already answered that, the child that IS. Born at the time of Isaiah’s writing 500BC.

Just because this child is not named in Scripture does not mean it must be Jesus - who is also not named in Isaiah.

 

[CadyandZoe]

That's the same question, two ways. What it is, is that, the carnal mind (soul-mind/will/emotions) can not understand it.

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned..../KJV

and here it is in the NLT:

2:14
14 But people who aren’t spiritual[a] can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means..../NLT

So when we abdicate logic and reason we are in fact abdicating the soul, because we know that the soul (Mind-will-Emotions) is where our logic and reason are seated. So where does that take us?

John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.../KJV

That's where it takes us, and it is the place that will enlighten us to the absolute truth.

Is your walk with the Lord all doctrinal, or is it spiritual?

When you pick up your bible to read, do you read it from your soul or your spirit?

See what I mean?

How do you tell the difference between a wrong, invalid claim and a claim that is incomprehensible to the natural man?

What if someone says, "The moon is made of green cheese, and if you don't accept it, you lack spiritual discernment?" Is that fair?