To the only God our Savior

[Scott Downey]

Colossians
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him

Hebrews
has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [b]worlds;

Christ made all things and sustains all things, that is everything that ever was, is, or will be is created by Christ.

It is why He calls Himself, alpha and omega, the beginning and the ending in Revelation. It all starts and stops with Christ.

 

[Matthias]

Colossians
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him

Not “by him,” “in him”.

Hebrews
has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [b]worlds;

When did “these last days” begin?

Christ made all things and sustains all things, that is everything that ever was, is, or will be is created by Christ.

It is why He calls Himself, alpha and omega, the beginning and the ending in Revelation. It all starts and stops with Christ.

For a Jewish monotheist, it all starts and stops with the Messiah’s God and Father, our God and Father, Yahweh.

 

[Matthias]

John 4:42
Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.”

God want us to know the He is the Savior, there is no one else like Him, and that this Savior is the Christ

I don’t disagree with any of that. In fact, as a believing Jewish monotheist, I insist upon it.

“God” -> Yahweh, the God and Father of our lord Jesus Messiah.

Yahweh has always sent saviors to save his people (Nehemiah 9:27).

 

[Scott Downey]

Not “by him,” “in him”.



When did “these last days” begin?



For a Jewish monotheist, it all starts and stops with the Messiah’s God and Father, our God and Father, Yahweh.

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

 

[Matthias]

It was foretold by the Lord God in Isaiah, what the family of God would call the Son, for that is who He IS.
When we call Him these things, we are being obedient to the will of the Father as was foretold, for we are His people.

Isaiah 9

The Government of the Promised Son​

1 Nevertheless the gloom will not be upon her who is distressed,
As when at first He lightly esteemed
The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,
And afterward more heavily oppressed her,
By the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan,
In Galilee of the Gentiles.

2 The people who walked in darkness
Have seen a great light;
Those who dwelt in the land of the shadow of death,
Upon them a light has shined.

3 You have multiplied the nation
And [a]increased its joy;
They rejoice before You
According to the joy of harvest,
As men rejoice when they divide the spoil.

4 For You have broken the yoke of his burden
And the staff of his shoulder,
The rod of his oppressor,
As in the day of Midian.
5 For every warrior’s [b]sandal from the noisy battle,
And garments rolled in blood,
Will be used for burning and fuel [c]of fire.

6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called

Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The “Lord God” is the Messiah’s God and Father, Yahweh.

Jesus is the lord Messiah (Psalm 110:1), not the Lord God, Yahweh.

 

[Matthias]

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

“For in him” all things were created...

What does that mean to you?

 

[Scott Downey]

By Him and In Him and Through Him and For Him as shown in many different versions, it is all of that together.

NLV
Christ made everything in the heavens and on the earth. He made everything that is seen and things that are not seen. He made all the powers of heaven. Everything was made by Him and for Him.

ICB
Through his power all things were made—things in heaven and on earth, things seen and unseen, all powers, authorities, lords, and rulers. All things were made through Christ and for Christ.

TLB
Christ himself is the Creator who made everything in heaven and earth, the things we can see and the things we can’t; the spirit world with its kings and kingdoms, its rulers and authorities; all were made by Christ for his own use and glory.

AMP
For by Him all things were created in heaven and on earth, [things] visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him [that is, by His activity] and for Him.

AMPC
For it was in Him that all things were created, in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, whether thrones, dominions, rulers, or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him [by His service, intervention] and in and for Him.

 

[Matthias]

By Him and In Him and Through Him and For Him as shown in many different versions, it is all of that.

NLV
Christ made everything in the heavens and on the earth. He made everything that is seen and things that are not seen. He made all the powers of heaven. Everything was made by Him and for Him.

ICB
Through his power all things were made—things in heaven and on earth, things seen and unseen, all powers, authorities, lords, and rulers. All things were made through Christ and for Christ.

TLB
Christ himself is the Creator who made everything in heaven and earth, the things we can see and the things we can’t; the spirit world with its kings and kingdoms, its rulers and authorities; all were made by Christ for his own use and glory.

AMP
For by Him all things were created in heaven and on earth, [things] visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him [that is, by His activity] and for Him.

AMPC
For it was in Him that all things were created, in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, whether thrones, dominions, rulers, or authorities; all things were created and exist through Him [by His service, intervention] and in and for Him.

That’s a wide survey of translations. Many of the translators, not all of them, understand that God created everything “in him” not “by him”. It was with the Messiah in mind that God - Yahweh, the God and Father of the Messiah - created everything through him and for him.

I’m a Jewish monotheist. All scripture is written by Jewish monotheists. To understand the scriptures properly it makes perfect sense to me to read the scriptures with the understanding of Jewish monotheism.

 

[Matthias]

The Messiah himself is a Jewish monotheist, not a trinitarian.

He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. His theology hasn’t changed. His God has always been, and will always be, only one person, the Father.

The doctrine of the Trinity is a post-biblical doctrine. It was gradually developed and formulated by the Catholic Church. Anyone who wants to learn about the history of the doctrine can do so with a little bit of effort. Anyone who is persuaded by the doctrine (doctrine is teaching) should become trinitarian.

I’ve studied the history. I continue to study the history. I’m interested in the history. But I’m not persuaded by the doctrine produced in and by that history.

I’m persuaded by the Messiah and the apostles, all of whom are Jewish monotheists. I want to be what the Messiah is and the apostles are. I want to be, and I am, a Jewish monotheist. I am a first century Jewish Christian living in the 21st century.

 

[Matthias]

There is only one God. That’s monotheism; something which trinitarians, binitarians, unitarians and Jewish monotheists can all agree on.

We all have theological stakes that we pound into the ground. My theological stake as a Jewish monotheist is hammered in the ground, anchoring me, by the belief that the one God is none other than the God of Jesus Messiah (2 Corinthians 1:3; Ephesians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3.)

 

[Scott Downey]

There is only one God. That’s monotheism; something which trinitarians, binitarians, unitarians and Jewish monotheists can all agree on.

We all have theological stakes that we pound into the ground. My theological stake as a Jewish monotheist is hammered in the ground, anchoring me, by the belief that the one God is none other than the God of Jesus Messiah (2 Corinthians 1:3; Ephesians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3.)

38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and [f]believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.

You have it again in Christ's words.

 

[Matthias]

38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and [f]believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.

You have it again in Christ's words.

Yes. The Messiah is a Jewish monotheist. His contemporaries, fellow Jewish monotheists, should have believed him. Some of them did, most of them didn’t. I‘m a 21st century Jewish monotheist who believes him.

When I see and hear the Messiah, I see and hear the God of Jewish monotheism, the Father, in him. He does the will of his God and my God. They are united in will and in purpose.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes. The Messiah is a Jewish monotheist. His contemporaries, fellow Jewish monotheists, should have believed him. Some of them did, most of them didn’t. I‘m a 21st century Jewish monotheist who believes him.

When I see and hear the Messiah, I see and hear the God of Jewish monotheism, the Father, in him. He does the will of his God and my God. They are united in will and in purpose.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

16 For by Him were all things created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him.

17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.

Because of by, in, etc... Him everything was made, therefore in Him all things consist.
Everything that exists depends on Him, so if He did not exist before His birth, nothing would exist.
And if He was not alive having the power of an endless life, enduring forever, they would cease to exist if He died.
So, the death He died, He died in the body. Christ was never spiritually dead, as He is the resurrection and the Life, and in Him all things consist. He is like the glue that holds everything together down to the subatomic level.

 

[Scott Downey]

Anyone who says of the Christ He is just a glorified man, fails the Colossians 1 and Hebrews 1 test and Revelation 1 also.

And then this too
Rev 22
12 “And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the Tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Matthias]

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

Yes. The invisible God is his God and my God; our Father. Jesus is the firstborn in the new creation.

16 For by Him were all things created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him.

17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.

Because of by, in, etc... Him everything was made, therefore in Him all things consist.
Everything that exists depends on Him, so if He did not exist before His birth, nothing would exist.
And if He was not alive having the power of an endless life, enduring forever, they would cease to exist if He died.
So, the death He died, He died in the body. Christ was never spiritually dead, as He is the resurrection and the Life, and in Him all things consist. He is like the glue that holds everything together down to the subatomic level.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes. The Messiah is a Jewish monotheist. His contemporaries, fellow Jewish monotheists, should have believed him. Some of them did, most of them didn’t. I‘m a 21st century Jewish monotheist who believes him.

When I see and hear the Messiah, I see and hear the God of Jewish monotheism, the Father, in him. He does the will of his God and my God. They are united in will and in purpose.

So, they aren’t one in Spirit..are you saying that @Matthias ?..if God is a Spirit which he is..how did he lead Jesus to do his will...?

They must have been connected in Spirit?..

 

[Matthias]

Anyone who says of the Christ He is just a glorified man, fails the Colossians 1 and Hebrews 1 test.

God himself has glorified the Messiah.

 

[Matthias]

So, they aren’t one in Spirit....if God is a Spirit which he is..how did he lead Jesus to do his will...?

They must have been connected in Spirit?..

They are connected in Spirit. In Jewish monotheism the Spirit isn’t a third person who is God. The Spirit is God’s operational presence and power; personal, but not another person.

 

[Ritajanice]

They are connected in Spirit. In Jewish monotheism the Spirit isn’t a third person who is God. The Spirit is God’s operational presence and power; personal, but not another person.

The Holy Spirit comes from God?

He does the will of the Father on earth, therefore imo, he is connected to Gods Spirit, he came from God, so he and Jesus must be a part of God....they are both divine..Perfect and Holy...

Monotheist believe in one God, Yes, in your opinion, not everyone believes that.

We are Born Of The Spirit @Matthias ...partaker Of the divine nature, we have part of God’s Spirit in our spirit?

Hence Born Again = by supernatural divine heart revelation.

 

[Scott Downey]

God himself has glorified the Messiah.

That is because Christ humbled Himself and was born as a man, but prior to that He had His own glory.
He made Himself of no reputation.

Philippians 1, God became a man

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

John 17
5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own Self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.

And
Matthew 25:31
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.