When are God's Elect Justified?

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Gods elect are Justified from eternity, I have been explaining that.
The elect do not even exist from eternity, so they cannot be justified from eternity. Now God knew from eternity who He would justify. but until such time that happened at some point in the life of the one being justified, they were not.
Also they are Justified while ungodly.
Were they ungodly from eternity? If they were justified from eternity, when were they ungodly?
 

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Psalm 53:1-3
53:1 <To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.> The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.
53:2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were [any] that did understand, that did seek God.
53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.

Romans 3:10-12
3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
3:12 They are all gone out of The Way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

1 Corinthians 15:48-57
15:48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy (human): and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly (spiritual-Beings).
15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the [seventh] Trumpet shall sound, and the "dead" shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality [be born again as your spirit-being].
15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory [over the "Self"].
15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] The Law [whilst not keeping The Commandments].
15:57 But thanks [be] to God, Which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore He saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee Light.

Hebrews 8:7-12
8:7 For IF that first [Covenant] had been [followed] faultlessly, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8:8 For finding fault WITH THEM, He saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel [ten "Lost" tribes] and with the House of Judah:
8:9 Not according to The Covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued NOT in My Covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
8:10 For THIS [is] The Covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My Laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest.
8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Sinning is breaking God's Law (1 John 3:4). It therefore should be self-evident that the ONLY Way to TRULY repent is to stop sinning/breaking God's Law.

When someone remembers who and what they really are (a spiritual-Being - John 3:3-7), and returns to keeping God's Law/Commandments (Mal. 4; Matt. 5:17-19; Rev. 12:17), THEN they have awakened and changed, and have God's Laws put into their minds and written in their hearts, having truly been born again from above (1 John 3:4-11). And, as prophesied, there will be 144,000 who make these changes, as if their lives depend upon it which, of course, they do.

Revelation 7:4-9
7:4 And I HEARD the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
7:5 Of the tribe of Judah [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:6 Of the tribe of Asher [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph/Ephraim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could count (which is why he was told in verse 4), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 14:1-4
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and WITH him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).

We are in that time right NOW. The world is getting darker and darker during this, the greatest oppression of all time (Matt. 24:21-22), to encourage the 144,000, aka the "Elect" to WAKE-UP and seek The Light of the World Who, exactly as He prophesied, is here right NOW (Matt. 24:32-34).

Daniel 12:1-4
12:1 And at that time shall Michael [the Archangel] (Eno. 20:5; 36:1; 40:8; 58:1; 59:9; 57:1-2; 70:4; Rev. 12:7; Sura 2:98) stand up, the Great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the Book [of Life] (Rev. 13:8; 17:8; 20:15; 21:27; Sura 83:20).
12:2 And many of them that sleep in "the dust of the earth" (Gen. 13:16; 28:14) shall awake, some to Everlasting Life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to Righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and "seal" the Book (Rev. 5:1-5), [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and [evil] knowledge (1 Tim. 5:20) shall be increased.
 
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Psalm 53:1-3
53:1 <To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.> The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.
53:2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were [any] that did understand, that did seek God.
53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; [there is] none that doeth good, no, not one.

Romans 3:10-12
3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
3:12 They are all gone out of The Way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Define "righteous", "understands", "seeks" and "does good" as applied in that passage.
 

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The elect do not even exist from eternity,

Yes they did, though not physically of course, but in a election union with Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Their names, persons were written in the Lambs book of life before the foundation, so they were known

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 17:8

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 

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Yes they did, though not physically of course, but in a election union with Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Their names, persons were written in the Lambs book of life before the foundation, so they were known

God chose those who were in Christ, before the foundation of the world.

How did these come to be in Christ?

How does a person become saved?

We become saved by believing the message (word) of salvation.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
 
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Yes they did, though not physically of course, but in a election union with Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Their names, persons were written in the Lambs book of life before the foundation, so they were known

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 17:8

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
All of that is simply God's foreknowledge, not any pre-existent being.
 

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God chose those who were in Christ, before the foundation of the world.

How did these come to be in Christ?

How does a person become saved?

We become saved by believing the message (word) of salvation.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
God chose them in Christ cant you read Eph 1:4
 

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All of that is simply God's foreknowledge, not any pre-existent being.
They had an existence in the Mind and Purpose of God. So did levi exist in abraham to God in this scripture Heb 7:9

9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

And I already stated they didnt exist physically, so there you go misrepresenting what a poster said so you can win a argument.
 

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They had an existence in the Mind and Purpose of God. So did levi exist in abraham to God in this scripture Heb 7:9

9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

And I already stated they didnt exist physically, so there you go misrepresenting what a poster said so you can win a argument.
There is no indication that they existed at all --period. So I haven't misrepresented what you said. As I said, it is only in the foreknowledge of God that any were elect.
 

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2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Not only are the Elect of God Justified before God before the world began, by His Purpose and Grace, so are they saved before the world began by the same Purpose and Grace. Notice Paul wrote "who saved us, then called us" 12
 

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There is no indication that they existed at all --period. So I haven't misrepresented what you said. As I said, it is only in the foreknowledge of God that any were elect.
There is no indication to you that they didnt exist at all ! To me that doesnt count for much
 

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Justified before the foundation of the world because God hath chosen us [The elect] in Him as early Eph 1:3-4

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

And due to that, God made them accepted in Him as early Eph 1:6

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.


Which grace was given us in the beloved before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

And so if accepted in Him that early, then we were Justified in the beloved as early ! 13
 

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Did you exist before you were born?
All the elect did in Gods purpose, existed in Christ, not physically. Now did Levi exist to God here b4 being born ? Heb 7:9

9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
 

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2 Cor 5:19 can very well be a scripture on Eternal Justification

@brightfame52 ...

The reason you and other Hyper Calvinists run from forum to forum to forum for Years, Selling Demonic Calvinism, is because that is what a Cult Mentality trains its victims to PERFORM.

See, CHRISTIANS, are all about CHRIST... WE want to talk about Jesus, we want to learn more about JESUS.. We want to share JESUS with a Lost World.

Whereas a mentally deceived Calvinist, wants to SELL Calvinism.. wants to Sell Calvinism... Sell, Calvin... Sell JOHN CALVIN... and that is what He heresy is designed to get its Victims to PERFORM for Him.

And that is every Calvinist.......worldwide.....doing that....from Pulpits.. in commentaries, on TV, on YOUTUBE< on christian FORUMS.

They are addicted to trying to SELL everyone : John Calvinism, and that is not of God, but its certainly of John Calvin.

Dont be that one, as God Hates "the 5 points" that is TULIP... Calvinism.......because this "doctrine of Devils", denies that Jesus died for us all.
And that Satanic Lie is the core reason that "TULIP". "The 5 points of Calvinism". is a Satanic Anti-Cross.. .. anti-Christ Theology, as you can't insult the Cross of Christ and the Grace of God, and not be a Satanic Theology, as John Calvinism is designed to do.
 

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@brightfame52 ...

The reason you and other Hyper Calvinists run from forum to forum to forum for Years, Selling Demonic Calvinism, is because that is what a Cult Mentality trains its victims to PERFORM.

See, CHRISTIANS, are all about CHRIST... WE want to talk about Jesus, we want to learn more about JESUS.. We want to share JESUS with a Lost World.

Whereas a mentally deceived Calvinist, wants to SELL Calvinism.. wants to Sell Calvinism... Sell, Calvin... Sell JOHN CALVIN... and that is what He heresy is designed to get its Victims to PERFORM for Him.

And that is every Calvinist.......worldwide.....doing that....from Pulpits.. in commentaries, on TV, on YOUTUBE< on christian FORUMS.

They are addicted to trying to SELL everyone : John Calvinism, and that is not of God, but its certainly of John Calvin.

Dont be that one, as God Hates "the 5 points" that is TULIP... Calvinism.......because this "doctrine of Devils", denies that Jesus died for us all.
And that Satanic Lie is the core reason that "TULIP". "The 5 points of Calvinism". is a Satanic Anti-Cross.. .. anti-Christ Theology, as you can't insult the Cross of Christ and the Grace of God, and not be a Satanic Theology, as John Calvinism is designed to do.
Is that all you can say ? This was about eternal justification, do you no anything about 2 Cor 5:19 ? What's non imputation of sin ? Is it about Christ ?
 

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Justification in the mind and purpose of God:

Romans 8:29

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 8:30

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Here we see the matter of justification as is it viewed in God’s eternal mind and purpose. God in eternity past sovereignly chose a people in Christ and determined to justify them based on the righteousness of Christ. His purpose was and is to glorify Himself in the salvation of sinners based on the righteousness of Christ. In Romans 8:30 it says that all whom God foreordained and predestinated to be conformed to Christ, He also called, justified, and glorified. All of these blessings which are earned by Christ for His people are spoken of in past tense, as if they had already occurred. Yet, many of God’s elect had not even been born at this time.

How, then, could it be said that they are already called, justified, and glorified?

We must make a distinction between God’s eternal purpose before time and what God accomplishes in His elect in time. It is true that in the mind and purpose of God, His elect have always been saved, called, justified, and glorified, not in their own persons but in the mind and purpose of God. It has always been so sure and certain that they would be saved, called, justified, and eternally glorified, that it is sometimes spoken of in past tense as if it had already taken place. It has always been so sure and certain because it was never conditioned on them. It was always conditioned on the sovereign grace and power of God who cannot fail and on the Person and work of Christ who is faithful to His Father.

I dont know the author of this article, however its truth according to the Scripture

Justification In The Mind and Purpose of God
 

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Justification is from everlasting because of the revealed chain of Salvation: Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The chain of salvation is eternally bound fast in God. For whom He foreknew He also predestinated. . . . and whom He predestinated He also called, and whom He called He also justified, and whom He justified He also glorified, (verses 29 and 30). The viewpoint is not of what takes place in time, but of what is established already in the counsel of God’s will. The elect are not only foreknown and predestinated, but they are also called and justified and glorified in God’s eternal decree. Nothing can change that established fact.
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Justification in the mind and purpose of God:

Romans 8:29

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 8:30

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Here we see the matter of justification as is it viewed in God’s eternal mind and purpose. God in eternity past sovereignly chose a people in Christ and determined to justify them based on the righteousness of Christ. His purpose was and is to glorify Himself in the salvation of sinners based on the righteousness of Christ. In Romans 8:30 it says that all whom God foreordained and predestinated to be conformed to Christ, He also called, justified, and glorified. All of these blessings which are earned by Christ for His people are spoken of in past tense, as if they had already occurred. Yet, many of God’s elect had not even been born at this time.

How, then, could it be said that they are already called, justified, and glorified?

We must make a distinction between God’s eternal purpose before time and what God accomplishes in His elect in time. It is true that in the mind and purpose of God, His elect have always been saved, called, justified, and glorified, not in their own persons but in the mind and purpose of God. It has always been so sure and certain that they would be saved, called, justified, and eternally glorified, that it is sometimes spoken of in past tense as if it had already taken place. It has always been so sure and certain because it was never conditioned on them. It was always conditioned on the sovereign grace and power of God who cannot fail and on the Person and work of Christ who is faithful to His Father.

I dont know the author of this article, however its truth according to the Scripture

Justification In The Mind and Purpose of God
You have obviously missed a very important part of that passage. In verse 29 who did God foreknow? Clearly, God foreknows everything and everyone. But who are the ones God did foreknow that is being discussed here? Verses 29 and 30 do not identify who it was that God did foreknow. But verse 28 does. It was "that love God". It further identifies them as those who are called according to his purpose. Verse 29 and 30 then go on to describe the process whereby those who loved God whom God did foreknow were predestined, called, justified and glorified. The process begins with those who love God.
 

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You have obviously missed a very important part of that passage. In verse 29 who did God foreknow? Clearly, God foreknows everything and everyone. But who are the ones God did foreknow that is being discussed here? Verses 29 and 30 do not identify who it was that God did foreknow. But verse 28 does. It was "that love God". It further identifies them as those who are called according to his purpose. Verse 29 and 30 then go on to describe the process whereby those who loved God whom God did foreknow were predestined, called, justified and glorified. The process begins with those who love God.
Do you understand the post ? Please rehearse back to me what I posted