Revelation 13 - the sea and the earth beast

[Douggg]

Now in Christianity they have put an idol of Jesus Christ instead of the real Jesus Christ. The false Jesus was born on December 25, the birthday of the Roman sun god.

And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. (Ezekiel 8:16)

The real Jesus, according to the Bible, was born in the fall, on the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei. Jesus' circumcision was on the 1st day of the feast of Sukkot. That is, the feast of tabernacles is the name day of Jesus Christ. This explains why in the future all nations will celebrate tabernacles together with the Jews. And Christmas is the birthday of the Antichrist.

The 1290 days seem to be counting down already.

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The 1290 days does not begin until after the statue image of the beast-king is set-up, 1335 days before Jesus's Return, Daniel 12:12.

From when the statue image is set up on the temple mount - there will be 1920 days until the Sign of the Son of man event (Matthew 24:30a) takes place. Causing a reaction by the kings of the earth to gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus

On these four timeline charts, I show the events that contain the abomination of desolation impact. If you print out these four charts, you can put them side-by-side to get a picture of what's to come. On this first chart - the 1335 days.






On this second chart the 1290 days.....


On this third chart, the critical path (the red line) of all major events of the forthcoming 7 years.....





On this fourth chart are the 5 Stages of the little horn person on his way to becoming the beast-king of Stage 5.....

 

[Truth7t7]

The sea beast is a kingdom, just as Daniels ten horned sea beast was.

I disagree, (The Beast) out of the sea is described as "He" "His" "Him" first person pronouns, a literal individual man

 

[TribulationSigns]

I disagree, (The Beast) out of the sea is described as "He" "His" "Him" first person pronouns, a literal individual man

Wrong.

For starters, many of you, including many theologians, have "privately interpreted" this man of sin to be everything from the Pope or Hitler or as a newly born Devil man himself, this is just what the Scriptures says. It is a man of sin ruling in the Temple of God. It seems perfectly clear to me that the verse in question is not referring to any one particular man, but to a man of sin just as it would refer to a man of righteousness. In other words, it is the revelation of the sinful man ruling within the Lord's Temple. There is no article "a" in scripture, this simply refers to the man of sin ruling. Or the lawless man ruling in God's Holy Temple. When we look at the context of the passage, we see that the popular thinking of the church at the time was that Christ could return soon. The Apostle Paul was correcting them and prophesying to us that it wasn't near nor coming soon. He qualifies that statement by saying first there has to come a time when the covertly sinful man (man of sin) would be revealed in the Holy place as a son of perdition rather than a son of God. Much as Judas was revealed among the 12 as a son of perdition. It is a revelation of the faithful man being replaced by the sinful man through a falling away in the church of Christ.

Psalms 12:1

• "Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men."

That's not addressing one single Godly man ceasing, and neither is Thessalonians addressing one single man of sin coming. And indeed, the Lord is from whence cometh our help in the form of His revelation of this mystery. It's not about "one man" ruling in the Holy Temple, nor a great supernatural Devil Man rising up in the church. That may make for a worldly and entertaining movie plot, or serve as an ear-tickling pleasure for the unfaithful church, but as far as Biblical Theology, it's a private interpretation. The interpretation of man of sin is simple really. Because there is no interpretation. You just read the passage and accept it for what it says. For example, before Christ's second advent, the man of sin (the sinful or lawless man) will come to rule in God's house supplanting the man of righteousness. Satan rules through man, MANY of them who are false prophets and christs. Not through your fantasy of one particular man.

And even if we look at the passage structure in Greek, the "man of sin" [anthropos hamartia], it is the exact same as where we read of the "man of God" [anthropos theos]. In other words, in neither place is it referring to one single man or one being that will come, nor teaching that there is only one man of sin or there is only one man of God. It speaks of the elect as the man of God and the wicked as the man of sin. It is about ANY PERSON who is truly in Christ is the man of God, and ANY PERSON in the spirit of the antichrist is the man of sin. Period.

So then, who is the man of sin who will rule in God's house? ...It is the man of sin who usurps God's authority to rule himself in God's house! It is an apostasy that will take place where

"the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men -Psalms 12:1"

The Godly man was replaced by the sinful man. It doesn't refer to one man. Therefore, the beast of Revelation 13 is not about one man, but the body of carnality men.

 

[CTK]

The sea beast is Paul's "Man Of Sin" and John's "The Beast" commonly called "The Antichrist" the earth beast with two horns as a lamb is the"False Prophet" simple, clear, and easy to understand

Revelation 13:1-14KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

This certainly has enough descriptions to at lease narrow down the field to determine the sea beast. Have you matched these to the verses in Daniel 7 to see if they refer to the same individual - the little horn? And then if you find they do match up, can you determine the identity of the little horn and when he arrived, how long he will continue, etc.? And if you come to a conclusion on that then you might be able to identity the "wound" that he received - but did not kill him. Then you will also be able to identify the one who came to support him in so many ways that his wound was "symbolically healed" and this one would be identified in Reverlation 13:11 as the earth beast.

 

[TribulationSigns]

This certainly has enough descriptions to at lease narrow down the field to determine the sea beast. Have you matched these to the verses in Daniel 7 to see if they refer to the same individual - the little horn? And then if you find they do match up, can you determine the identity of the little horn and when he arrived, how long he will continue, etc.? And if you come to a conclusion on that then you might be able to identity the "wound" that he received - but did not kill him. Then you will also be able to identify the one who came to support him in so many ways that his wound was "symbolically healed" and this one would be identified in Reverlation 13:11 as the earth beast.

Once again, the little horn is not an individual. You need to get God's definition for the horns in Scripture.

 

[Truth7t7]

Wrong.

For starters, many of you, including many theologians, have "privately interpreted" this man of sin to be everything from the Pope or Hitler or as a newly born Devil man himself, this is just what the Scriptures says. It is a man of sin ruling in the Temple of God. It seems perfectly clear to me that the verse in question is not referring to any one particular man, but to a man of sin just as it would refer to a man of righteousness. In other words, it is the revelation of the sinful man ruling within the Lord's Temple. There is no article "a" in scripture, this simply refers to the man of sin ruling. Or the lawless man ruling in God's Holy Temple. When we look at the context of the passage, we see that the popular thinking of the church at the time was that Christ could return soon. The Apostle Paul was correcting them and prophesying to us that it wasn't near nor coming soon. He qualifies that statement by saying first there has to come a time when the covertly sinful man (man of sin) would be revealed in the Holy place as a son of perdition rather than a son of God. Much as Judas was revealed among the 12 as a son of perdition. It is a revelation of the faithful man being replaced by the sinful man through a falling away in the church of Christ.

Psalms 12:1

• "Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men."

That's not addressing one single Godly man ceasing, and neither is Thessalonians addressing one single man of sin coming. And indeed, the Lord is from whence cometh our help in the form of His revelation of this mystery. It's not about "one man" ruling in the Holy Temple, nor a great supernatural Devil Man rising up in the church. That may make for a worldly and entertaining movie plot, or serve as an ear-tickling pleasure for the unfaithful church, but as far as Biblical Theology, it's a private interpretation. The interpretation of man of sin is simple really. Because there is no interpretation. You just read the passage and accept it for what it says. For example, before Christ's second advent, the man of sin (the sinful or lawless man) will come to rule in God's house supplanting the man of righteousness. Satan rules through man, MANY of them who are false prophets and christs. Not through your fantasy of one particular man.

And even if we look at the passage structure in Greek, the "man of sin" [anthropos hamartia], it is the exact same as where we read of the "man of God" [anthropos theos]. In other words, in neither place is it referring to one single man or one being that will come, nor teaching that there is only one man of sin or there is only one man of God. It speaks of the elect as the man of God and the wicked as the man of sin. It is about ANY PERSON who is truly in Christ is the man of God, and ANY PERSON in the spirit of the antichrist is the man of sin. Period.

So then, who is the man of sin who will rule in God's house? ...It is the man of sin who usurps God's authority to rule himself in God's house! It is an apostasy that will take place where

"the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men -Psalms 12:1"

The Godly man was replaced by the sinful man. It doesn't refer to one man. Therefore, the beast of Revelation 13 is not about one man, but the body of carnality men.

I Disagree

 

[Truth7t7]

This certainly has enough descriptions to at lease narrow down the field to determine the sea beast. Have you matched these to the verses in Daniel 7 to see if they refer to the same individual - the little horn? And then if you find they do match up, can you determine the identity of the little horn and when he arrived, how long he will continue, etc.? And if you come to a conclusion on that then you might be able to identity the "wound" that he received - but did not kill him. Then you will also be able to identify the one who came to support him in so many ways that his wound was "symbolically healed" and this one would be identified in Reverlation 13:11 as the earth beast.

One thing is a fact, Daniel's little horn will be killed and "His" body will be destroyed, a literal man

Daniel 7:11KJV
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

[Douggg]

This certainly has enough descriptions to at lease narrow down the field to determine the sea beast. Have you matched these to the verses in Daniel 7 to see if they refer to the same individual - the little horn?

The little horn person of Daniel 7 will wear down the saints (verse 25) and they shall be give into his hand (verse 25) , until judgment sits (verse 26) and destroys the little horn's dominion - i.e. dominion means his rule over the world (Revelation 13:7).

Daniel 7:
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

corresponds to...

Revelation 13:
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.




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[Douggg]

This certainly has enough descriptions to at lease narrow down the field to determine the sea beast.

The sea beast of Revelation 13:1-2 is the fourth beast kingdom of Daniel 7:23-25 that the little horn person will emerge out of in the end times.

The mortally wounded but headed head in Revelation 13:3-8 on the sea beast kingdom is the little horn person in Stage 5 of him becoming the beast-king.

CTK, the emphasis is on the fourth kingdom in the end times and it's king in the end times.

Get over that notion that the little horn is the papacy of papal Rome, headquartered in the Vatican in Rome. In Revelation 17:16 the ten kings who will align themselves with the beast-king (the little horn Stage 5) will burn the Vatican (the woman turned whore) to the ground - end of the papacy.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I Disagree

Your disagreement means nothing if you can't refute my position biblically. LOL

 

[Douggg]

Once again, the little horn is not an individual. You need to get God's definition for the horns in Scripture.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

 

[CTK]

One thing is a fact, Daniel's little horn will be killed and "His" body will be destroyed, a literal man

Daniel 7:11KJV
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Well, I certainly agree with you on this but it is not the little horn in 7:11 that is slain and its body destroyed, it is the 4th kingdom beast of pagan Rome.

In chapter 2, God specifically called out 4 and only 4 kingdoms that would come out of the sea. Rome or pagan Rome was the 4th.

In chapter 7, the 10 horns and right after them, the little horn came OUT OF pagan Rome. Thus, this little horn, nor the 10 horns are / were kingdoms. In 7:11, it is revealed the “beast” (4th kingdom beast or pagan Rome), was slain. And this is exactly what happened around 467AD… pagan Rome was essentially no longer the world power and would soon come to its end.

The Roman Empire was collapsing and there was chaos everywhere. However, out of all of this the little horn would come to full power around 530 AD. The Christian church was growing as pagan Rome was declining. The bishops of the Christian church (major centers of Alexandria, Rome, Antioch, and Jerusalem) had emended power and they all wanted to head the Christian church. But Rome would win out and would be declared the seat of Christianity in 538 AD. The bishop of Rome would become known as the pope / papacy and would reign over papal Rome. This is the little horn who would change God’s laws and commandments, claim divinity, bring in pagan practices, etc. He is the one (and his false religion) that would continue until the return of Jesus who will destroy him without human hands. He is the sea beast of Revelation 13.

 

[ewq1938]

I disagree, (The Beast) out of the sea is described as "He" "His" "Him" first person pronouns, a literal individual man

That's not how Greek grammar works. Male pronoun does not mean the noun is a person. Beast is actually neuter in the Greek so it is an "it". The sea beast is a kingdom, just as Daniel explained the ten horned beast he saw was.

 

[ewq1938]

Ok, let me ask you…

The 10 horns sit atop the 4th beast in Daniel 7…. When does this take place?

In the context of Daniel 7, it is possibly 3.5 years prior to a coming of God and judgment, and subsequent killing and destruction of that same horned beast.

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

[CTK]

In the context of Daniel 7, it is possibly 3.5 years prior to a coming of God and judgment, and subsequent killing and destruction of that same horned beast.

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Verse 7:-10 represent a scene in heaven not on the earth. There are 2 separate dream sequence scenes in chapter 7 - as well as 2 separate interpretation sequence scenes. One is in the heavenly realm like 7-10, and then it takes us back to the earthly scene in 7:11.

This is purposeful because God is revealing what takes place in heaven at the same time on earth.

In 7:7-10, it is God who is coming to set up His court for judgement but there is still one person missing- Jesus. On earth, Jesus has gone to the cross and now the 4th beast of pagan Rome has been slain and the little horn has taken power over His church and secular matters.

Later in chapter 7 you will find the exact same presentation which separates the things that take place in the heavenly realm and those on earth. For example, in 7:13-14, God is once again showing us what takes place in heaven. This time, we see the arrival of Jesus to the Ancient of Days and now the judgment can take place.
After this scene, we are taken back to earth but Daniel is terribly confused because he is seeing two very different visions- one in heaven and the other on earth. Then Daniel requests to understand what is going on with this 4th beast (specifically), because the 4 th beast was shown to he slain in 7:11 and who is this 4th beast. This 4th beast is papal Rome who succeeded pagan Rome after 7:11.

Chapter 7 is a very difficult chapter to unpack. If one attempts to interpret its verses in a strictly chronological manner, it will make no sense, because they will have to interpret that everything that comes after 7:11 must be end time events. But God gives us two very different scenes in chapter 7.

The purpose is to reveal that around the same time that Jesus was crucified, the little horn would come to power, and this was around the time He would return to His Father. Thus, these are not end time events in chapter 7.

The key to chapter 7 is verses 7 and 8. Daniel sees the 4th beast with iron teeth- pagan Rome comes after Greece. Then, he sees the 4th beast with 10 horns. Then, another little horn comes out among them. It is at this time in these verses where we find that the cross has taken place.

After the cross, God will send His apostles out to preach the Good News to the Gentiles. This is the beginning of His church. As the church grew exponentially, the Gentiles would come to dominate the church. They would establish a heirarchial structure to run this church similar to pagan Rome. Thus, these bishops of this growing church became very powerful. Within a few hundred years, pagan Rome would come to its end (7:11), and the bishop of Rome would win out over the other bishops as the head of the church. He would become known as the pope or papacy. If you look at verse 20, you will now see that the little horn is no longer “coming out” of the 4th beast kingdom (pagan Rome), but is now sitting atop the 4th kingdom , and now he is described as having teeth of iron AND nails of bronze. This represents the revised 4th kingdom of papal Rome who will use the armies or whatever military force is necessary to gain and keep power (pagan Rome is gone). Also, the nails of bronze refer to how they would change God’s laws and commandments, and “snatch away the Word of God” and teach a false gospel.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Godly man was replaced by the sinful man. It doesn't refer to one man. Therefore, the beast of Revelation 13 is not about one man, but the body of carnality men.

I already shared that (The Beast) of the sea is described with first person "Singular" pronouns "He" "His" "Him",

Looking at the verse below it states the number of "A Man" (Singular)

I strongly disagree with your claim it represent (The Body Of Carnality Men)

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[Truth7t7]

The sea beast is a kingdom

I Disagree, John's (The Beast) will be a individual human man as I have shown

Just as Daniel's (Little Horn) will have a "Body" that's destroyed, same bad guy different authors

John's (The Beast) will be living and cast alive into the lake of fire

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Same exact teaching below, (The Little Horn) will have a living body that's cast into the fire

Daniel 7:11KJV
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

[Truth7t7]

In 7:11, it is revealed the “beast” (4th kingdom beast or pagan Rome), was slain. And this is exactly what happened around 467AD… pagan Rome was essentially no longer the world power and would soon come to its end.

"I Strongly Disagree" Pagan Rome isn't the Beast, and 467AD has absolutely "Nothing" to do with Daniel 7:11, it's a "Future" event unfulfilĺed, this takes place at the final judgement (The End)

Daniel 7:9-11 represents the "Future" final judgment, it shows the "Little Horn" as having a literal body thats destroyed at the "Future" final judgement, this being in perfect agreement with Revelation 19:20

 

[Douggg]

sea beast - the end times kingdom that the little horn will be king of.

the little horn - king of the sea beast kingdom ; the king who will be worshiped - will be the little horn person in Stage 5.

 

[Douggg]

Verse 7:-10 represent a scene in heaven not on the earth. There are 2 separate dream sequence scenes in chapter 7 - as well as 2 separate interpretation sequence scenes. One is in the heavenly realm like 7-10, and then it takes us back to the earthly scene in 7:11.

This is purposeful because God is revealing what takes place in heaven at the same time on earth.

In 7:7-10, it is God who is coming to set up His court for judgement but there is still one person missing- Jesus. On earth, Jesus has gone to the cross and now the 4th beast of pagan Rome has been slain and the little horn has taken power over His church and secular matters.

Later in chapter 7 you will find the exact same presentation which separates the things that take place in the heavenly realm and those on earth. For example, in 7:13-14, God is once again showing us what takes place in heaven. This time, we see the arrival of Jesus to the Ancient of Days and now the judgment can take place.
After this scene, we are taken back to earth but Daniel is terribly confused because he is seeing two very different visions- one in heaven and the other on earth. Then Daniel requests to understand what is going on with this 4th beast (specifically), because the 4 th beast was shown to he slain in 7:11 and who is this 4th beast. This 4th beast is papal Rome who succeeded pagan Rome after 7:11.

Chapter 7 is a very difficult chapter to unpack. If one attempts to interpret its verses in a strictly chronological manner, it will make no sense, because they will have to interpret that everything that comes after 7:11 must be end time events. But God gives us two very different scenes in chapter 7.

The purpose is to reveal that around the same time that Jesus was crucified, the little horn would come to power, and this was around the time He would return to His Father. Thus, these are not end time events in chapter 7.

The key to chapter 7 is verses 7 and 8. Daniel sees the 4th beast with iron teeth- pagan Rome comes after Greece. Then, he sees the 4th beast with 10 horns. Then, another little horn comes out among them. It is at this time in these verses where we find that the cross has taken place.

After the cross, God will send His apostles out to preach the Good News to the Gentiles. This is the beginning of His church. As the church grew exponentially, the Gentiles would come to dominate the church. They would establish a heirarchial structure to run this church similar to pagan Rome. Thus, these bishops of this growing church became very powerful. Within a few hundred years, pagan Rome would come to its end (7:11), and the bishop of Rome would win out over the other bishops as the head of the church. He would become known as the pope or papacy. If you look at verse 20, you will now see that the little horn is no longer “coming out” of the 4th beast kingdom (pagan Rome), but is now sitting atop the 4th kingdom , and now he is described as having teeth of iron AND nails of bronze. This represents the revised 4th kingdom of papal Rome who will use the armies or whatever military force is necessary to gain and keep power (pagan Rome is gone). Also, the nails of bronze refer to how they would change God’s laws and commandments, and “snatch away the Word of God” and teach a false gospel.

pagan Rome, papal Rome. The papacy as the little horn. The papacy as the Antichrist. SDA teachings.