THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[David in NJ]

I don’t have to explain anything to you ,it is not written that Paul , John ,were Born Again , I’m not falling back on anything..I stand on God’s word and rebuke yours..you keep voicing that John, Paul are Born Again ,no scripture to back up your claims.

You are trampling on God's words instead of believing them.

 

[David in NJ]

First:
2 Thess. 2:2 in older manuscripts doesn't include the word "Christ" in the text, but "the Lord". Check here Center for New Testament Restoration

Second:
Even if there are some texts talking about "the day of Jesus Christ", like others talking about "the day of Jehovah" doesn't mean that Jesus is Jehovah. Jesus said:

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior.

Actually, Jesus is the king enthroned by Jehovah in heaven, and his position corresponds to the throne of David, not to the throne of God. All Scripture speaks of Jesus being exalted by God, his superior.

Heb. 7:7 Now it is undeniable that the lesser one is blessed by the greater.

John 14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

Jehovah has no one greater than Him:

Heb. 6:13 For when God made his promise to Abraham, since he could not swear by anyone greater, he swore by himself, 14 saying: “I will surely bless you and I will surely multiply you.” 15 So after Abraham had shown patience, he obtained this promise. 16 For men swear by someone greater, and their oath is the end of every dispute, since it is a legal guarantee to them. 17 In this same way, when God decided to demonstrate more clearly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of his purpose, he guaranteed it with an oath, 18 in order that through two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to the refuge may have strong encouragement to take firm hold of the hope set before us.

You will never be SAVED by the name 'jehovah' = God will not accept this from you.

Lord Jesus Christ the only Name that brings Salvation
"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

 

[ElieG12]

You will never be SAVED ...
@Wrangler @Aunty Jane and all you jw's who call on a jehovah will not be allowed in Heaven unless you REPENT

This includes you also @Ritajanice

I'm not particularly concerned with your viewpoint; it's completely insignificant, mainly because you tend to focus on dismissing forum members rather than addressing the posts you reference.

I'm curious why so many pointless comments are permitted on this forum, which merely aim to undermine other members who serve God. Could you possibly put in more effort to engage in discussions about the biblical topics at hand and reduce the personal attacks that only reflect poorly on those who make them?

Please, stop quoting me or addressing me in the future. Thanks.

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not particularly concerned with your viewpoint; it's completely insignificant, mainly because you tend to focus on dismissing forum members rather than addressing the posts you reference.

I'm curious why so many pointless comments are permitted on this forum, which merely aim to undermine other members who serve God. Could you possibly put in more effort to engage in discussions about the biblical topics at hand and reduce the personal attacks that only reflect poorly on those who make them?

God's ViewPoint, which is His SON the Lord Jesus Christ is the only ViewPoint that can wash away your sins.

i focus on THREE
a.) Encouraging the TRUE Brethren who are in the Lord Jesus Christ
b.) Assisting those who have questions and are open to believing the Word of God
c.) WARNING everyone who speak falsehood and lies of what awaits them if they do not repent


i am curious as to why we allow false witnesses on here - this is called 'Christianity board forum'

jw/watchtower belief is anti-christ, as you attest to

 

[ElieG12]

Why do some forum members remind me of the Pharisees persecuting and trying to damage the public image of Christians?

 

[David in NJ]

Why do some forum members remind me of the Pharisees persecuting and trying to damage the public image of Christians?

The pharisees did not believe in JESUS because HE made Himself equal with His FATHER who is GOD

Why do some members on here walk and speak as the pharisees denying the Lord Jesus Christ???

a 'christian' is one who has come to the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins and has given his/her life to the Lord Jesus Christ.

a 'christian' is one who believes the Word of God = the Lord Jesus Christ

a false witness is one who denies the Lord Jesus Christ as the only Way and the only Name whereby a man can be SAVED

 

[ElieG12]

Where is the fruit of the holy spirit in that forum member?

James 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him by his fine conduct demonstrate works performed with a mildness that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and contentiousness in your hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth. 15 This is not the wisdom that comes down from above; it is earthly, animalistic, demonic. 16 For wherever there are jealousy and contentiousness, there will also be disorder and every vile thing.
17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical. 18 Moreover, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for those who are making peace.

He appears to be craving attention... Such a shame! To avoid his constant accusations, I'll need to add him to my ignore list. Regardless, it's evident that a person's actions, not just their claim to be a Christian, truly reveal their character.

 

[David in NJ]

Where is the fruit of the holy spirit in that forum member?

James 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him by his fine conduct demonstrate works performed with a mildness that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and contentiousness in your hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth. 15 This is not the wisdom that comes down from above; it is earthly, animalistic, demonic. 16 For wherever there are jealousy and contentiousness, there will also be disorder and every vile thing.
17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical. 18 Moreover, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for those who are making peace.

He appears to be craving attention... Such a shame! To avoid his constant accusations, I'll need to add him to my ignore list. Regardless, it's evident that a person's actions, not just their claim to be a Christian, truly reveal their character.

The most precious fruit is LOVE and LOVE always speaks the TRUTH and TRUTH is a Person = Jesus the Christ

Anyone who denies the Lord Jesus Christ reveals their true character!!!

For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true.
Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not giving heed to Jewish fables
and commandments of men who turn from the truth.
To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.
They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I don't think I denied the truth of scripture. I said that a Trinitarian translated the passage you quoted, which is why it seems to support Trinitarianism. But the translation you presented contracts John's clear teaching that God created the world, not Jesus.

The Scriptures clearly state that God created all things “through“ his son….this is agency, making the pre-human Jesus the facilitator of creation not its source. Only Yahweh is the Creator….Jesus is never addressed that way.

Have you never heard of the Council of Nicaea? Were you unaware of the history of Trinitarianism? Are you curious as to why Catholicism is filled with Pagan practices?

Thanks. Marry Christmas to you. :)

Speaking of pagan things…..I hope you know the origin of Christmas ?
What an incredible mix of pagan Roman and Norse beliefs!
Saturnalia was celebrated by the Romans and all the customs of that festival in honor of a false god were transferred to Christmas.

According to Brittanica….
“In the 3rd century, the Roman Empire, which at the time had not adopted Christianity, celebrated the rebirth of the Unconquered Sun (Sol Invictus) on December 25th. This holiday not only marked the return of longer days after the winter solstice but also followed the popular Roman festival called the Saturnalia (during which people feasted and exchanged gifts). It was also the birthday of the Indo-European deity Mithra, a god of light and loyalty whose cult was at the time growing popular among Roman soldiers.”

On those facts and also Paul’s warning in 2 Cor 6:14-18, not to mix true worship with false worship….I wouldn’t touch Christmas with a 40ft pole.

No one knows the date of Jesus’ birth because the Bible does not say…..most likely because the Jews did not celebrate birthdays because to do so was to copy astrologers who used the date of birth to predict a child’s future, to calculate a horoscope for them…..something forbidden to God’s people. (Deut 18:9-12)

 

[Aunty Jane]

@Wrangler @Aunty Jane and all you jw's who call on a jehovah will not be allowed in Heaven unless you REPENT

This includes you also @Ritajanice @ElieG12

My goodness! Who appointed you as our judge and jury?
Just FYI, I have no desire to go to heaven….my future is here on earth where God put the human race in the first place…..

Wouldn’t it be a tragedy if you found out that we were right all along, and you were among the majority who swallowed the devils lie, leading you to worship a false three headed god?

We will wait and see….in the meantime, perhaps keep your opinions about others on a personal level to yourself…..who do you think you are???

 

[David in NJ]

My goodness! Who appointed you as our judge and jury?
Just FYI, I have no desire to go to heaven….my future is here on earth where God put the human race in the first place…..

Wouldn’t it be a tragedy if you found out that we were right all along, and you were among the majority who swallowed the devils lie, leading you to worship a false three headed god?

We will wait and see….in the meantime, perhaps keep your opinions about others on a personal level to yourself…..who do you think you are???

You will never be SAVED by the name 'jehovah' = God will not accept this from you.

Lord Jesus Christ the only Name that brings Salvation
"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

 

[ElieG12]

..who do you think you are???

God's killing machine ... Wait! What?

I meant Satan's killing machine. God is caring for people while the other one is trying to accuse Christians.

Rev. 12:10 I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”
13 Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent spewed out water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river. 16 But the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon spewed out from its mouth. 17 So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.

Just ignore those comments. I don't even think it's a real person, but a machine programmed to generate conflicts in the forum.

 

[David in NJ]

God's killing machine ... Wait! What?

I meant Satan's killing machine. God is caring for people while the other one is trying to accuse Christians.

Rev. 12:12 (...) Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”
13 Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent spewed out water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river. 16 But the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon spewed out from its mouth. 17 So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.

Just ignore those comments. I don't even think it's a real person, but a machine programmed to generate conflicts in the forum.

Christians believe in the only Name that can SAVE them

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You will never be SAVED by the name 'jehovah' = God will not accept this from you.

Lord Jesus Christ the only Name that brings Salvation
"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

And regurgitating the same tired scriptures as if we didn’t hear you the first time, is a waste of space.
We have discounted every scripture you have posted to show you a legitimate alternative rendering, and the meanings of original language words, but you have ignored every one without even a thought that another way to read that passage might be the correct one.

For someone who has dodged as many questions as you have on this thread, you have a hide even responding, as if you have something to say to any of us, except to judge us. You use the Bible as a battering ram rather than to reason calmly with other responders….you seem to have no idea how to defend your faith in a rational manner….or to answer reasonable questions put to you…..your replies are accusatory and mean spirited….so I will ignore you from today….like a few others fed up with your demeaning responses…..hardly a humble soul are you?

 

[David in NJ]

And regurgitating the same tired scriptures as if we didn’t hear you the first time, is a waste of space.
We have discounted every scripture you have posted to show you a legitimate alternative rendering, and the meanings of original language words, but you have ignored every one without even a thought that another way to read that passage might be the correct one.

For someone who has dodged as many questions as you have on this thread, you have a hide even responding, as if you have something to say to any of us, except to judge us. You use the Bible as a battering ram rather than to reason calmly with other responders….you seem to have no idea how to defend your faith in a rational manner….or to answer reasonable question put to you…..your replies are accusatory and mean spirited….so I will ignore you from today….like a few others fed up with your demeaning responses…..hardly a humble soul are you?

Is it not 'Christmas Season', when we celebrate the SAVIOR coming into the world................

Lord Jesus Christ the only Name that brings Salvation
"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

 

[Ritajanice]

I already gave you the scriptures about born again.

Like I said there is no scripture that says any Apostle was born again. They were born again just like you and me. The salvation process is same…You choose to believe in Christ…You repent...You are baptized. Baptism is a miraculous thing…You are taken down in the water….you die with Christ and it is like you never existed…nothing you did, no sin will be remembered and you come out of the water a new person and sinless at that point. That is why they call it Born Again. And you will receive the Holy Spirit. At that point if you sin it is between you and Christ and if you ask forgiveness He is faithful to forgive you.

Romans 6:4 in the Bible says, "Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life".

1st John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Act 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Don’t say they were Born Again like you and me, you have no idea, that’s your opinion,and you certainly don’t know how I was Born Again, you think it’s some remedy that you think you can just speak out and speak into existence, then you are very much mistaken..

No, that Is not how I was Born Again, don't add your testimony to my Living testimony, I was chosen by God to become Born Again, ..I had no say in the matter, you believe what you believe, I believe my living testimony, who indwells my spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are trampling on God's words instead of believing them.

You are the one trampling on Gods word, you are a liar, I believe the word of God, not you adding to it.i 100% stand on what the word says..you twist and turn scripture to make it say what you want it to say.

There is nowhere in scripture that says they were Born Again, for it is not written.

 

[David in NJ]

For those who have been told not to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

It is the FATHER's Will in Heaven that we believe on the only Name that can save us - the Lord Jesus Christ.

FATHER Elohim of our LORD Jesus Christ, please grant your Grace and the Power of the Holy Spirit to overwhelm the deceit and treachery in our hearts of believing in other religions and other names that seemingly speak of You but they deny Your only Begotten SON.

May the same Grace and Mercy that You FATHER bestowed upon me when i was in darkness be granted to those on this forum who do not Know You, the only True Elohim and Jesus Christ whom You sent so that we can be Forgiven and Washed and Filled with Your Spirit.

May you convict our hearts of denying the Most Holy Name of your Son by which You accept us = the Lord Jesus Christ
Holy FATHER, you said that you will not accept anyone who denies Your Son, please forgive them for doing this and heal their
hearts that they may know JESUS the CHRIST and have Everlasting Life - Amen

 

[Runningman]

From today!


Let’s start discussing.

Father/ Son / Holy Spirit...all 3 are one...Amen or not Amen?

Question... how many Holy Spirits are there in the Bible?

 

[Ritajanice]

You cannot be SAVED without believing in the only begotten Son of God.

There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

This is how we are Born Of The Spirit, period,.just as Jesus explains to Nicodemus, you cannot believe in Jesus not until our spirit is birthed, if you look to the cross and believe, then your spirit must already be Born Again, you add your own understanding to the rest of that scripture, God is the one who initially brings us to believe in Jesus, then he gifts us supernatural faith in our heart/spirit, that is where we are Born Again by the testimony of Gods Living Spirit.its not something that you can read into being..it’s a supernatural act that can only be done by Gods Living testimony, His Living Holy Spirit, Spirit must give birth to spirit, we are Born Again of imperishable seed, that seed is a Living seed, the Holy Spirit, who has permanently birthed our spirit into his, The seed takes root in our heart/ spirit...,growing us into spiritual maturity..to become more and more like Jesus...we are Gods spirit children...not Bible reading children.