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What a deceitful and erroneous translation, that seeks to undermine the truth about the Godhead.
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
Genesis 1:26
Colossians 1 gives a good description of the most obvious pre-existance of Christ as the Creator of all things, so then He is before all things, and in Him all things exist. And as Creator, then Christ is God who also maintains all things.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
Firstborn means firstborn from the dead as He is the head of the church.
See Christ was God and Man. Therefore, you find verses telling us of both regarding Him
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
Firstborn means firstborn from the dead as He is the head of the church.
See Christ was God and Man. Therefore, you find verses telling us of both regarding Him
Ronald David Bruno
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Likely you haven't taken this command seriously ... or understand it:
"You shall be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" Matthew 28:19See, you seemed to have sided stepped one very crucial step. The disciples _ after studying with Him for 3 1/2 years had the knowledge they needed, but not the Holy Spirit. He told them to wait and He arrived at Pentecost.
Apparently your Pentecost did not come ... evidently you thought it was not important?
Correct discernment ( deep understanding of Who God is) comes from the Spirit of truth, Whom we must be baptized by. Baptized means immersed into, believing in ad being one with. You believe in the Son ( but not in the fullness of His true nature) and the Father, but ignored His crucial command above, leaving out the Holy Spirit!
My spirit is Born Again, reborn, I follow the Spirit that i have been birthed by.,are you saying that God is lying when he says we are led by the Spirit?
Romans 8
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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The Promise of the Holy Spirit
(John 14:15–26)
5Now, however, I am going to Him who sent Me; yet none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6Instead, your hearts are filled with sorrow because I have told you these things. 7But I tell you the truth, it is for your benefit that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocatea will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8And when He comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because they do not believe in Me;10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see Me; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world has been condemned.
12I still have much to tell you, but you cannot yet bear to hear it. 13However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. 14He will glorify Me by taking from what is Mine and disclosing it to you.15Everything that belongs to the Father is Mine. That is why I said that the Spirit will take from what is Mine and disclose it to you.
16In a little while you will see Me no more, and then after a little while you will see Me.b”
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Taken
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Warning, long, but brief regarding the big picture.
Ye, by definition God is deity.
Deity by definition IS The WHOLE of a Being without beginning or ending, all knowing, all powerful and That IS Without Sin.
The WHOLE of God IS:
Gods Body, Gods Word, Gods Power.
A human is Created, (by the seed of Man), and bodily Formed by God.
His Life is his Blood.
His birth is The separation from its mother, called natural, and the beginning of that “Individual.”
As that “Life” is becoming an Individual (separated from its mother)…natural birth…
God (Gives) that individual …a Soul…and another Life IN that soul….(Gods Breath is that souls Life…and All souls belong to God.)
A living soul…in an individual…Becomes A Person.
That body is required, shall, must at some point Die, God requires that.
The Living soul departs the dead body…and IF saved is escorted to heaven, if unsaved is sent to hell…each soul waits in comfort or agony for Judgement day.
A living soul in a human, is Gods breath of Life…and expressly is For that individuals….Ability to Communicate…
*Communication…the babe in the womb, does not have.
Ears …hear
Eyes…see
Mouth …utters sound
Tongue…tastes
Flesh…Feels touch
When a human body dies…the body begins stinking, rotting, preparing to return to dust of the earth from whence it came.
The dead body is no longer called a person…
A human HAS (not is) a natural spirit.
It IS the humans Natural Truth IN his hearts thoughts (regardless of what the mans Mind Thinks, Believes, or lies about).
My name on this forum, my Mind established…yet I know my truth IN my heart, That TAKEN is not my name.
God rebirth a natural man’s spirit in the man’s heart….WHEN…a man Confesses to the Lord….From the thoughts IN his Heart….
That…
He is sorry For all the years he has lived from his natural birth having HAD NOT believed IN God…called repentance.
That…
He pledges / vows his OWN body freely willingly truthfully BE Given unto Death TO God.
That he Truthfully from his spirit BELIEVES IN God and The One (Christ Jesus), that God Sent to Earth to “Offer” the Saving of the souls of humans AND Quicken (rebirth) their spirit.
*A human Body CAN NOT receive a “pardoned / forgiveness of his soul, without Belief in his heart.
* a human can NOT receive a Quickened (born again of Gods Seed / who IS Christ)…without his own body ….First being Dead.
* The only Exception….was offered in a new Better Testament (ie NT…offered by Jesus)
See. Heb 7:22
The Exception…is a human willingly Giving his body unto Death…in a fashion / manner Called Being Crucified,,,with Jesus….as Jesus willingly gave his prepared body….so Also can humans….
It is called “a living sacrifice”…
See. Rom 12:1
They ^ ARE Saved…
During the last days Trib sent down from heaven….unsaved humans on Earth Shall have opportunity to confess their Heartful belief…and their willingness to give their body’s and will suffer a Physical Death, called martyrdom.
They ^ SHALL be Saved…
For over 2,O00years To this Day, men have preached TO mixed crowds of Some, not believing, Some believing, but Not Saved, and Some who Are Saved….(called Saints, Converted, Saved, Born Again, Healed, Whole).
Does a human Become A Deity? No.
Are Angels Deity’s? No.
A Deity… IS all Power, IS all Knowing, IS Spirit, IS Without ever having HAD Sin or COMMITTED Sin, Has Always Been Holy.
That ONLY Applies To:
God…the Father, Son, Holy Spirit…ie…The Lord God Almighty.
Glory to God,
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amigo de christo
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but it ends not there my friend . as with the jw , and as with those who sit under the RCC
so too with many within the realm known as protestant . THEY HEEDING MEN as though THEY GOD
but are not heeding the WORDS of GOD that in which HE INSPIRED in said bible .
Many can see the errors within the camps of many others but cannot see it IN THEY OWN CAMP .
Now its bible time and time for the bible IT IS . many are being fleeced of men and know it not .
amigo de christo
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they pit tower against tower and yet both them towers coming DOWN on the day of the LORD .
I sat in stunned silence as i listened to a jw once speak the truths about how so many catholics
have been trapped in a system and trust in their pope as though he be GOD .
YET they cannot see they themselves trust in THEY TOWER as though its men and its words BE GOD .
What we have here is a failure to recognize . the many can recongize the error in anothers camp
BUT CANNOT SEE THE ERROR OF THEY OWN camp . and that now at the end
the LIE has come to gather them all to merge as one under , ONCE AGAIN what THEY THINK IS GOD
but , yoo hoo , hey david , ITS NOT GOD , its anti christ . Folks better BIBLE UP .
amigo de christo
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and yet a portion of even christendom believeth not that being born again
being saved , having salvation , IS TIED INTO THE BELIEVE YE IN CHRIST .
Phase two of the harlots lie and that which is of anti christ WILL FINISH all not in the lambs book of life of
and they will gather under the lie .
Only the true lambs will not buy , will not heed the lie that has come in its own name under the title it calleth love .
I call all to record this day that i am free of the blood of all , for i have not shunned to warn
against interfaith and the false love and HAVE POINTED ONLY to the DIRE NECESSITY to beleive JESUS THE CHRIST .
ALL will bow to the lie they beleive is the love of GOD . ALL not in the lambs book of life . cause
the lambs will never BOW TO ANTI CHRIST .
David in NJ
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1 Corinthians 2
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2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ
David in NJ
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My Sister in Christ Ritajanice,
i LOVE the Scriptures of TRUTH that you posted = AMEN
Are we called to selective reasoning? or are we commanded to believe "every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God" ???
Example: @Ritajanice said: "I do not follow any light"
The Way the Truth and the Life Says: "Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world.
He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”
amigo de christo
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Many moons ago in a time when i still worked in the store
a man had come into said store . he came in to warn me against the dangers of babylon and all within .
He had told me of men who try and teach and deny the diety of Christ .
Imagine his surpise and shock when i next said these words to him .
GOD did not create himself . HE did not create HIS words or HIS SPIRIT .
that man busted out in laughter of agreement . IF a man teaches GOD created THE CHRIST
you remind them GOD did not create himself . ITS HIS OWN ESSENCE that cometh forth of HIM .
Bible Verses About Spiritual Growth
Bible verses related to Spiritual Growth from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance
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Colossians 1:9-10 - For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; (Read More...)
2 Peter 3:18 - But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
1 Peter 2:1-25 - Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, (Read More...)
Matthew 5:6 - Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Ephesians 4:15-16 - But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: (Read More...)
Galatians 5:22-23 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, (Read More...)
Psalms 1:1-3 - Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. (Read More...)
2 Peter 1:5-8 - And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 13:10-12 - But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. (Read More...)
Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Philippians 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
James 1:2 - My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
1 Corinthians 11:1 - Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Titus 2:11-14 - For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, (Read More...)
Ephesians 4:12-13 - For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: (Read More...)
I follow the Spirit..I don’t follow your light and your damnation Of those who don’t believe as you believe.
I’m in the Light..not your light..do you actually recognise who the light is?
2 Timothy 3:16-17 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (Read More...)
David in NJ
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You keep refering to things like:
"your damnation Of those who don’t believe as you believe"
"not your light"
My LIGHT is JESUS and i have no power to condemn anyone neither do i condemn anyone = you are bearing false witness
2 Timothy 3:16-17 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You post scripture - which is GREAT - and then you REJECT scripture which is BAD
WHY???
amigo de christo
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many walk after the flesh believing they walk after the Spirit . THEY CONDEMEND and know it not .
I am seeing rainbows and korans and other sins being honored and the people holler , WE ARE FREE TO DO SO .
THEY IN BONDAGE and know it not and worse the churches ARE IN BONDAGE and allow and wont correct
and only correct those who expose the sins and errors within the churches . many walk after the flesh
BELIVING THEY ARE BORN AGAIN . deadly dangerous is that mindset .
For it has been decieved and peridtion awaits them all , IF they repent from beleiving a lie
NO LIE is of the truth and the sheep heed THIS VOICE RITA .
Take heed , THIS VOICE .
For this reason was i born , for this end came i into the world
that i should bear witness unto the TRUTH
everyone who is of THE TRUTH hears my voice .
And the truth is ITS SIN to support anyones sin .
NO LIE is of the truth , so if any bringeth a love that says JUDGE NOT CORRECT NOT
the brethren in that church who are in sin , THEY LIE and do not THE TRUTH .
Many religious preachers out there also..who are deceivers, they won’t deceive this child of God.
They preach from the pulpit.,their own pulpit.
amigo de christo
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this last answer you gave was a real good reminder .
FOR MANY who loveth a lie will do just that .
THEY will post scrip , but even the scrips they post will be used against OTHER SCRIPTURE .
MANY POST a scripture but the WHY they post is often not always a good reason .
FOR many post scrips TO JUSTIFY THEMSELVES and their own teachings men taught them
and when others bring scrips to show them their error they disregaurd those scrips .
MANY have learned and learned well but NOT WELL .
in other words they learned long and hard and very very well the TWISTED THINGS OF MEN and not the TRUTH AT ALL .
THEY have learned long but have learned WRONG .
SCRIP DO NOT CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE . but many sure use it to do just that .
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