Wrangler
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How would you categorize or summarize your invoking that verse if it does not support the trinity (if not prove it by implication)?
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Supporting -- but not proving -- the thesis. It indicates John's view of Christ's pre-existence, before the world began. That's not "proof" of the Trinity (or even the Binity). Evidence, perhaps, but not proof. As I have said several times, there are verses supporting it (John 17:5 is one) and verses going the other way.
David in NJ
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NOPE
God is a Spirit
The Holy Spirit is a Spirit
The Son is also a Spirit
These are not 'thee expressions' of the one Spirit but THEY are the SAME Elohim/God
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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jw false doctrine is pure EVIL = same as the Roman Catholic Church = BFF
And God spoke all these words, saying:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
“You shall have no other gods before Me.
jw Evil Satanic DARKNESS that masquerades as 'light' from NWT John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god
Which Light are you following???
The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness.
If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
So then show me with some clear explanation why I'm wrong or as you said 'nope' and you are right. I'll give you till tomorrow. Make your response more that one or two short sentences if you don't mind so I can gauge your understanding of the subject.
David in NJ
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Genesis and the Gospel and Revelation all PROVE, beyond any shadow of doubt = the TRIUNE Elohim
ONLY by believing every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God, with the Holy Spirit can one SEE and KNOW
Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights,
with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
Was this post meant for me? I don't think so. I would settle down a bit and stop throwing stones with some type of vengeance. You are aiming wildly at anyone at this point. And I'm not any of these labels you mentioned by the way. And that does not matter anyway because it it's near impossible to deal with rude children who get into a tantrum..
Chill out...
David in NJ
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lol x100
You should of added - "I'll give you to High Noon tomorrow to get outa town!"
No one on here can outsmart the Holy Spirit though many try.
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
David in NJ
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SWORD of the SPIRIT which is the Word of God that cuts down the lies of satan.
i see that you lowered yourself to "having a tantrum" and throwing stones when you should be saying - thank you Lord for TRUTH
David in NJ
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@APAK
Speaking of "behaving like children"...............Matthew 18:1-5
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
Speaking of "behaving like children"...............Matthew 18:1-5
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
David in NJ
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AGREE AGREE AGREE
The Elohim and Father of Yahweh YAHshua HaMashiach and don't forget about the Holy Spirit = 3
Genesis 1:1-3
In the beginning Elohim(Plural) created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the face of the waters.
Then Elohim Said(Word), “Let there be light”; and there was light.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Now is the time for you to humble yourself before the Lord Jesus Christ in prayer seeking His forgiveness and Help.
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
Ronald David Bruno
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Yes, to you, not me.BTW, I’m glad that you, at least, acknowledge it as an apparent contradiction. Thanks for that!
We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God David...by Gods Living testimony.
How you became Born Again is your testimony..I have my own testimony...I don’t understand what you are witnessing above David, as it sounds like your own spirit witnessing and condemning us who don’t agree with you... you think everyone should believe as you do..big mistake my friend.
No way was I Born Again the way you were..and no way do I believe Jesus is God.,
No one can say that Jesus is Lord David, except by the Living Holy Spirit.
I don’t believe as you do..that all 3 are one...all two are Gods seed, they are not God.
Jesus was Born from the Living seed of God.
The Holy Spirit is also a Living seed who comes out of the Living mouth/ Spirit Of God.
No such thing as trinity made made doctrine.
John 3:3-8
King James Version
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Romans 8
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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Aunty Jane
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And yet the very doctrine you promote is a Catholic invention, only becoming official church doctrine over 300 years after Christ died…..enough time for the weeds to sprout and take over the whole field…..the wheat are there but small in numbers and still thriving despite the weeds trying to choke the life out of them…
You have three gods…squeezing them into one head doesn’t make them ONE god…because the Bible never does. If it did you would not resort to regurgitating the same verses over and over like no one brought anything to your attention concerning the verses you quoted and the original language words mistranslated. There is a certain kind of blindness……what else have you retained from Catholic doctrines…..? The mother church has spawned many daughters all equally wearing their mother’s dirty laundry.
The NWT rendering is correct…..according to the Greek, not the mistranslated English.
Perhaps the “darkness” is masquerading as light for you….how would you know?….remember that satan can transform himself into “an angel of light”. Imagine finding out the hard way that you had put your faith in an apostate church whose teachings are almost 1500 years old….They were never true to begin with.
Do you celebrate Christmas?….research its origins and the origins of Santa Claus…then come back and tell me how that ties in with 2 Cor 6:14-18…and how lying to children is a Christian thing to do whilst you adopt pagan celebrations, originally honoring pagan gods, without a single though about how God views these things….fusing Christianity with paganism……or how it feels to be a poor kid with good ol‘ Santa giving such nice things to the rich kids but leaving the poor kids destitute with even little food.
Santa is an anagram of satan….
The “weeds” were not sown recently.
Which light are you following?
Amen!…..this applies equally to you….think about that. Jesus was also accused of serving the devil….how many rejected him on the basis of their religious leaders’ false testimony?…..the majority put their faith in the wrong people and lost their place in the Kingdom…..Jesus will let us all know who was telling the truth about his Father, and who was promoting those ancient lies.
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David in NJ said:
Which Light are you following???
I don’t follow a light David...my spirit is reborn, therefore I’m Spirit led?
Are you Spirit led,@David in NJ ...or are you most of the time, David led?
Most of your posts condemn those who don’t believe in the man made doctrine, trinity.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Which Light are you following???
I don’t follow a light David...my spirit is reborn, therefore I’m Spirit led?
Are you Spirit led,@David in NJ ...or are you most of the time, David led?
Most of your posts condemn those who don’t believe in the man made doctrine, trinity.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his
Romans 8:14-16
King James Version
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
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And yet, what you’re promoting - the trinity - originated with the RCC!
Ya got nerve.
Oops! You said it before I did, sorry.
@David in NJ, do you believe there’s hellfire? ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment)? That (Christendom’s version) was started by the RCC, too.
Who are BFF’s again?
@Aunty Jane @TheHC ..even though we believe differently, I understand a lot of what you teach, far more than I understand David’s teaching, his teaching imo is jammed full of confusion.
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Thank you, I’m glad for that.
Truth should “make sense”, and be easy to understand.
Our Savior Jesus said to the Samaritan woman at the well: “we worship what we know.” - John 4:23.
Here’s something to consider (& I hope I’m not going to “rile your feathers” by saying it):
Getting baptized, requires a lot of thought, and making changes.
Now, if Jesus and the apostles were promoting two more Gods equal with His Father (ie., a trinity), wouldn’t that require adjustments in thinking? Changes in loyalty, ie., worship? You bet! It would take time to learn and accept this change.
But what do we see at Pentecost? Jews were getting baptized, that very day! Because God didn’t change; only the way to worship Him did… through Jesus.
Have a great day!
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