MORE THAN ONE BIBLE GOSPEL
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[Gen 12:3 KJV] 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
[Gen 18:18 KJV] 18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
[Gen 22:18 KJV] 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
[Gen 26:4 KJV] 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[Gen 28:14 KJV] 14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
Apparently yes in the beginning as disciples they understood not fully Christ's word/saying/teaching.
But compared to Paul, they were the firsthand eyewitnesses leaving their families behind.
Were with Him from the beginning to the death and resurrection, and without receiving the Holy Ghost.
First by John the Baptist, they were disciple the beginning of the Gospel, repentance and water baptism.
Including them becoming born again a new person, just to make a straight path for the Lord Jesus Christ to 'come'.
Prior also with John, basically they've learnt about Jesus who occasionally would walk pass them or elsewhere.
That, He is the Passover Lamb of GOD who would takes away the sins of the world.
And, yet John baptize with water, but Jesus Christ will baptize them with Holy Ghost and fire.
Cum, John must decrease and Jesus must increase, and as a result two of his disciple followed Jesus, one of them Andrew.
Jesus who would henceforth disciple them the second stage of the Gospel, to fill up their emptied bodies.
That is, about GOD's clear standards, and to what HIS Kingdom is liken unto, be seen here on earth.
And after His departure, to when the Holy Ghost was able to descend, Jesus will baptize them finally with Holy Ghost and fire.
Acts 2:
3. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. (Holy Ghost and fire)
This thoroughness were given to them way before Paul and way better than Paul's, to reach out to all nation.
With now the Holy Ghost and fire, they were even more competent with all that they've gained from Christ.
When Paul's given ministry is apparently, the further added revelational understanding dogma to the Gospel.
He was no better than them, but a later added 'instrument' of Jesus, and fellow worker with the Apostles.
Nevertheless, Paul was very bold and hard working and martyr for Christ, who's ministry cum epistles number from the Apostles'
For the record, go and read carefully Acts 9:15, not only Paul bear Jesus's name to the Gentiles alone, but also to the children of Israel.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
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Splendid, and as well they are as the number of stars in the heavens/sky.
Again, this which was preached to Abraham before the Gospel, is not a Gospel.
But GOD making a covenantal 'promise' with Abraham, and within is 'prophecy' pertaining to the future Gospel.
That 'seed' or 'offspring' is 'Christ Jesus our Lord' on behalf of Abraham, shall all the nation of the earth be 'blessed'.
Even the buried dead as the dust of the earth shall be 'blessed' too, those who physically rose from their grave after His death.
He 'accomplished' taking away the sins of the world, whilst conquering sin and death once and for all.
As sin lost it's power and death lost it's sting, while the present world's sin shall be for not believing in Him.
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Thats actully the gospel you quoted which pertains to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. So it become a part of the story, or rather the very gospel itself. They meant it for evil, but God meant it for good.
Acts 13:7 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Behold
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Read this.
Galatians 1:8.
That is Paul explaining that His Gospel is THE Gospel.
And Paul's Gospel has no water baptism in it, and no works.
Here is Paul's Gospel, and accept no other, according to Galatians 1:8.
1.) "We preach Christ Crucified"... '"""For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."""""
And how is this Gospel received??
A.) "All who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".............and we CALL, after we hear "The Gospel".,
= and Paul's Gospel is not "repent and get in the water".
They did not understand until Luke 24:27 which once again shows they could not have been preaching the same gospel as Paul
Yes Peter was doing exactly that in Acts 2:36
[Act 2:23 KJV] 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Amen! There is so much confusion because these things are not more widely understood.
I mean it's obvious isn't it? You will have countless descendants just isn't the same as believe in Jesus, confessing Him as Lord are NOT the same things. But both are the Gospel by which men are saved.
Much love!
St. SteVen
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St. SteVen
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It seems to me that much of the hysteria over the gospel (getting it right) is driven by these verses.
In my view, no one is saved by doctrine. New converts know nothing of doctrine.
Even Paul said we are of the faith of Abraham.
2 Corinthians 11:4
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached,
or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted,
you put up with it easily enough.
Galatians 1:6
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ
and are turning to a different gospel—
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Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Yes This was John's baptism plus name of Jesus plus Holy Ghost
This was the "gospel of the circumcision" found in Galatians 2:7
Peter preached the gospel that Christ was raised to sit on the throne of David in the kingdom
[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
This was good news to Israel in that they were assured Christ was risen and would bring in the kingdom
In regard to the name of Jesus....Israel had to believe on his name to have eternal life
[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
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St. SteVen
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This was referring to Pentecost
[Act 2:4 KJV] 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
This is what I am speaking of, the first things of the gospel which pertain to his death and his burial and resurrection here
1 Cr 5:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Cr 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Cr 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
The verse you pointed out here
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
And this verse simply follows what David had forseen in 110:1 speaking of His resurrection
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
The apostles pointing out what David was seeing before
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ Acts 2:31
His death and burial included their own part in it, in condemning him
Just as in Acts 3:15 when he points out what they did (meaning it for evil)
Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
But also adds,
Acts 3:16 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
And so we know
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain Acts 2:23
Are the things shown before
Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Acts 13:36 Is what God fullfilled in raising him from the dead (Psalm 2:7)
And this is what they both witnessed, believed and what they preached and thats the doctrine as is pointed out by them here
Acts 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
This was their doctrine, and what they were commanded to preach because " without shedding of blood is no remission" either.
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
They were to be delivered up in their councils and synagogues as they were
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
As a testimony against them (agreed) because they are tied into the gospel of the death, burial and resurection of Jesus Christ by the power of God. Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
That gospel
1 Cr 5:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Cr 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Cr 15:3 For I delivered unto you FIRST OF ALL that which I also received, HOW that Christ DIED for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Cr 15:4 And that he was BURIED, and that HE ROSE AGAIN the third day according to the scriptures
Repeating the above because it clearly shows what is of FIRST of all importance to keep in memory, what was preached and it concludes His death, burial and resurrection, as previously declared by the former prophets.
Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Thats what I meant.
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St. SteVen
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St. SteVen
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They were not preaching yet, it all began on the day of Pentecost, where 3,000 converts were added. (Acts 2)
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem 'Jews' and 'devout men', out of every nation under heaven. (v5)
Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes. (v10)
There were Gentiles of every nation and Jews and proselytes, who heard the Gospel they preached.
How can they preach another Gospel from Paul, for GOD is not an author of confusion but of peace.
Like i've testified, later Christ through Paul merely 'expounded' extended revelation pertaining to the Gospel.
There's no such false claim as of today that the Jews received their Gospel from Christ and the 12 Apostles.
And the Gentiles received their Gospel from Paul, hence, apparently there's no 'equality' between them.
If that's case, i want no part of this false Gospel testimony of 'imposters' and 'counterfeits'.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.
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