When the saints are overcome

[David in NJ]

Do you believe the mark the beast had been given to everyone in the world?


This tribulation of the saints has not started yet.It begins after Benjamin netanyahu has his kingdom marked with his mark.
The persecution lasts 42 months and ends with the coming of Christ and the great tribulation.

Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.



This has not even started yet.

MOB will go beyond Israel as it already has in it's current infancy = It has not yet grown into the Fulfillment of Revelation

The precursor to the 'mark' was already forced upon people under the guise of Covid.

 

[tailgator]

MOB will go beyond Israel as it already has in it's current infancy = It has not yet grown into the Fulfillment of Revelation

The precursor to the 'mark' was already forced upon people under the guise of Covid.

False
Netanyahu only wants to mark his people.The people of Israel.Even God's people Israel.

This will take place after president Trump gives Natanyahu a host of US armed forces

 

[ewq1938]

Take a closer look at what Gill is saying, on the one hand he’s saying the saints are overcome by being physically killed, on the other hand the saints are not overcome because they die for their faith. You can’t have it both ways, either the saints are overcome by physical death or they aren’t overcome by physical death.

To be overcome means to be defeated in some way. In this situation, the beast overcomes/kills the saints. It is mentioned multiple times in Rev and even Christ spoke of this in the OD.

 

[David in NJ]

No .it doesn't.Babylon is a city that sits on seven hills.
Jerusalem.

There are seven continents my Brother

 

[David in NJ]

False
Netanyahu only wants to mark his people.The people of Israel.Even God's people Israel.

This will take place after president Trump gives Natanyahu a host of US armed forces

Trump also wants everyone in the USA marked and you will SEE

 

[tailgator]

There are seven continents my Brother

The city doesn't fit on seven continents.
It sits on seven hills.

 

[David in NJ]

The city doesn't fit on seven continents.
It sits on seven hills.

Read Daniel chapter 2

 

[tailgator]

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Trump also wants everyone in the USA marked and you will SEE

The United states did not try to kill Christ soon as he was born.That was king of Judea

Revelation 12
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


Your looking in the wrong part of the world for the beast with seven heads.

 

[tailgator]

Read Daniel chapter 2

This is where the wisdom is.
Read it.
Revelation
This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.


The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

 

[David in NJ]

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The United states did not try to kill Christ soon as he was born.That was king of Judea

Revelation 12
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


Your looking in the wrong part of the world for the beast with seven heads.

We know that brother.
We also know that Israel/Jerusalem is the CENTER of world conflict as we approach the revealing of the Antichrist

The rock dropped in the Center of the Pond sends out ripples to the Whole Pond

 

[David in NJ]

This is where the wisdom is.
Read it.
Revelation
This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.


The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

Excellent and TRUE

When you get the chance please read Daniel chapter 2.

 

[tailgator]

We know that brother.
We also know that Israel/Jerusalem is the CENTER of world conflict as we approach the revealing of the Antichrist

The rock dropped in the Center of the Pond sends out ripples to the Whole Pond

The only people interested in Jerusalem is the Jews,Muslims,and the man who says he is the Jews saviour.Donald Trump.

No one else wants Jerusalem.
China,Russia,Canada,Europe are not interested.

 

[David in NJ]

The only people interested in Jerusalem is the Jews,Muslims,and the man who says he is the Jews saviour.Donald Trump.

No one else wants Jerusalem.
China,Russia,Canada,Europe are not interested.

Correction Brother
They are all interested and that is why they all have warships/submarines/military aircraft over there in the Middle East.

 

[tailgator]

Correction Brother
They are all interested and that is why they all have warships/submarines/military aircraft over there in the Middle East.

No,China could care less if Israel existed or not.
Russia is only worried about Russia.
Brazil is happy not being in the middle East.

None of them want Jerusalem and none of them want nuclear war to get it.

 

[David in NJ]

No,China could care less if Israel existed or not.
Russia is only worried about Russia.
Brazil is happy not being in the middle East.

None of them want Jerusalem.

Not every nation is included in my post but Russia and China absolutely are involved.

Here is a clue from Revelation = "A great Red Dragon"

They are all interested and that is why they all have warships/submarines/military aircraft over there in the Middle East.

 

[tailgator]

Not every nation is included in my post but Russia and China absolutely are involved.

Here is a clue from Revelation = "A great Red Dragon"

Russia and China did not try to kill Christ as soon as he was born.That was Herod,king of Judea who tried to kill Jesus soon as he was born.


Revelation 12
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.



If your looking in China and Russia for the dragon that tried to kill Jesus soon as he was born.Your looking in the wrong part of the world.


Mathew 2
16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.


Herods capital city is that city that sits on seven hills.

 

[David in NJ]

Russia and China did not try to kill Christ as soon as he was born.That was Herod,king of Judea who tried to kill Jesus soon as he was born.


Revelation 12
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.



If your looking in China and Russia for the dragon that tried to kill Jesus soon as he was born.Your looking in the wrong part of the world.


Mathew 2
16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

For the Body of Christ = Everything is connected to Christ

"If they hated ME they will hate you also"

Mathew chapter 24 is not solely speaking to the Jews and Israel - this is a HUGE mistake that many make and become deceived.

 

[tailgator]

For the Body of Christ = Everything is connected to Christ

"If they hated ME they will hate you also"

Mathew chapter 24 is not solely speaking to the Jews and Israel - this is a HUGE mistake that many make and become deceived.

Russia and China did not try to kill Jesus soon as he was born.
That is a fact that you can't change.

 

[David in NJ]

Take a closer look at what Gill is saying, on the one hand he’s saying the saints are overcome by being physically killed, on the other hand the saints are not overcome because they die for their faith. You can’t have it both ways, either the saints are overcome by physical death or they aren’t overcome by physical death.

It appears to me that Gill is putting forth the idea that from the beasts perspective killing the saints is getting the victory over them but from the saints perspective they are getting the victory by dying for their faith.

If that is your position, then can you show me other examples where we are not to read the Bible from a believers perspective?

For example the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1-13, should we look at this as the wise virgins were not wise from a Christian perspective but were wise from the perspective of an unbeliever? That is exactly the hermeneutics Gill is using by saying the saints were overcome by being physically killed. If that is a valid method of interpreting scripture then we need to look at all the verses from both perspectives. Does Gill do this elsewhere in his commentary?

Where else in the Bible is this type of hermeneutic ever used?

Take a closer look at what Gill is saying, on the one hand he’s saying the saints are overcome by being physically killed, on the other hand the saints are not overcome because they die for their faith. You can’t have it both ways,

It ABSOLUTELY means EXACTLY what Christ says - both in the Gospel and in Revelation

Matthew 10:28 - And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul.
Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Hell.

CRYSTAL CLEAR

“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,

‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer.
Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days.
Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

11“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’

 

[Truth7t7]

How can the beast overcome a saint if he can’t overcome them by physically killing them?

The (Two Witnesses) are the saints that are overcome and killed when they finish their testimony in Jerusalem for 3.5 years as seen in Revelation 11:7 and Revelation 13:7 below, same event in parallel teachings

Revelation 11:7KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.