When the saints are overcome

[grafted branch]

it means killed friend . gotta read it for you and not through the lens of preterism and of man .
The problem with most folks is , they always seem to read what they read in the bible
through the mindset of whatever men or teaching they sat under . READ it for you .
ENJOY it daily for you . by grace i been reading that bible for over eighteen years daily
and it just never gets old to me . by grace . now lets start fresh and anew
in the bible for ourselves shall we .

Philippians 1:20According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death. 21For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Since when is being killed considered as being overcome for a believer? Was Paul overcome when he gained by his death and magnified Christ?

 

[tailgator]

So you’re saying the current Israeli government is the beast? We are looking at how the beast overcomes the saints not the enemies of the nation of Israel.

The saints are the enemies of the Israeli government and it's state.The beast.

That's why they are beaten in the synagogues and persecuted throughout all the cities of Israel.

Mark 13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

Mathew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.



The saints are not persecuted from city to city in the US or Europe They are persecuted throughout all the cities of Israel like Jesus said.

 

[grafted branch]

The saints are the enemies of the Israeli government and it's state.The beast.

That's why they are beaten in the synagogues and persecuted throughout all the cities of Israel.

Mark 13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

Mathew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.



The saints are not persecuted from city to city in the US or Europe They are persecuted throughout all the cities of Israel like Jesus said.

Alright, so only the saints in the nation of Israel will be overcome for 42 months while all the other saints across the planet are not overcome, is that your view? Is that really how you interpret the Revelation 13:7 phase “and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations”.

 

[tailgator]

So you’re saying the current Israeli government is the beast? We are looking at how the beast overcomes the saints not the enemies of the nation of Israel.

The beast considers Jesus followers enemies. That is why the saints are persecuted throughout all the towns of Israel .It's kingdom.

Mathew 23:34
Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.

 

[tailgator]

Alright, so only the saints in the nation of Israel will be overcome for 42 months while all the other saints across the planet are not overcome, is that your view? Is that really how you interpret the Revelation 13:7 phase “and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations”.

The people in Israel are from all kindreds,tongues and nations.
After the deadly wound was healed,they followed after the beast from all nations .

Revelation 13
3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast


A kingdom of immigrants.

Revelation 17:15
Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.

 

[grafted branch]

The beast considers Jesus followers enemies. That is why the saints are persecuted throughout all the towns of Israel .It's kingdom.

Mathew 23:34
Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

I’m guessing your in agreement with many preterist then that Matthew 24:21 is only referring to what happens or happened in a small area of the globe.

 

[tailgator]

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

I’m guessing your in agreement with many preterist then that Matthew 24:21 is only referring to what happens or happened in a small area of the globe.

I'm not a prettiest.

The great tribulation takes place when the king of the norths goes forth to destroy and annihilate many in the middle east.I have no reason to believe there will be any tribulation in Canada or Japan because that is not the land he is attacking.

 

[David in NJ]

it means killed friend . gotta read it for you and not through the lens of preterism and of man .
The problem with most folks is , they always seem to read what they read in the bible
through the mindset of whatever men or teaching they sat under . READ it for you .
ENJOY it daily for you . by grace i been reading that bible for over eighteen years daily
and it just never gets old to me . by grace . now lets start fresh and anew
in the bible for ourselves shall we .

i been reading that bible for over eighteen years daily and it just never gets old to me

40 years reading here and SAME = never gets boring

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not a prettiest.

The great tribulation takes place when the king of the norths goes forth to destroy and annihilate many in the middle east.I have no reason to believe there will be any tribulation in Canada or Japan because that is not the land he is attacking.

When you drop a rock into the center of the pond it sends out ripples to the whole pond.

All the world is troubled when the Dragon is cast to the earth with his angels.

Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea!
For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

 

[tailgator]

When you drop a rock into the center of the pond it sends out ripples to the whole pond.

All the world is troubled when the Dragon is cast to the earth with his angels.

Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea!
For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

No one is forced to stay in Herods kingdom.They are free to leave anytime they want .

Revelation 12:14:15
When the dragon realized that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time.



The great tribulation takes place 3.5 years after the woman flees into the wilderness.Same time the resurection takes place.
After the king of the north goes forth to destroy and annihilate many in the middle east.

 

[David in NJ]

No one is forced to stay in Herods kingdom.They are free to leave anytime they want .

Revelation 12:14:15
When the dragon realized that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time.



The great tribulation takes place 3.5 years after the woman flees into the wilderness.Same time the resurection takes place.
After the king of the north goes forth to destroy and annihilate many in the middle east.

No one is forced to stay in Herods kingdom.They are free to leave anytime they want .

No one can escape the earth that is a closed system except by death = all are prisoners and only CHRIST can set one FREE

 

[David in NJ]

No one can escape the earth that is a closed system except by death = all are prisoners and only CHRIST can set one FREE

Resurrection ONLY takes place at the Second Coming of Christ = after the Tribulation

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[tailgator]

No one can escape the earth that is a closed system except by death = all are prisoners and only CHRIST can set one FREE

The woman does not have to stay in Herods kingdom.
She can move out anytime she likes.Sje can leave Babylon.

Revelation 12:15
But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time.

 

[David in NJ]

The woman does not have to stay in Herods kingdom.
She can move out anytime she likes.Sje can leave Babylon.

Revelation 12:15
But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time.

Babylon covers the entire world my friend.

When was the last time you read Daniel?

 

[tailgator]

Resurrection ONLY takes place at the Second Coming of Christ = after the Tribulation

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus called the persecution of the saints in Israel the tribulation of those days in the above verse. The same persecution he described in previous verses.
The sun and moon being darkened,and the stars of heaven falling to the earth is the great tribulation that takes place after the king of he north goes forth to destroy and annihilate many.The resurection takes place at the same time of the great tribulation.


Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

[tailgator]

Babylon covers the entire world my friend.

When was the last time you read Daniel?

No .it doesn't.Babylon is a city that sits on seven hills.
Jerusalem.

 

[tailgator]

Babylon covers the entire world my friend.

When was the last time you read Daniel?

She can leave anytime she wants

Revelation 12:15
But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle so she could fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness. There she would be cared for and protected from the dragon for a time, times, and half a time.

She can leave today if she wants.
I know of one woman who left more than ten years ago because she did not want to sacrifice her own children.She moved to America.
If someone want to leaave,they can.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus called the persecution of the saints in Israel to he tribulation of those days in the above verse. The same persecution he described in previous verses.
The sun and moon being darkened,and the stars of heaven falling to the earth is the great tribulation that takes place after the king of he north goes forth to destroy and annihilate many.The resurection takes place at the same time of the great tribulation.


Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

JESUS says the Tribulation is NOT limited to Israel/Jerusalem.

Where have you been Brother???

The Saints have been and are being persecuted worldwide and this will continue and gain momentum.
there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time:

The Saints are Jew & Gentile in Christ = at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

 

[tailgator]

JESUS says the Tribulation is NOT limited to Israel/Jerusalem.

Where have you been Brother???

The Saints have been and are being persecuted worldwide and this will continue and gain momentum.
there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time:

The Saints are Jew & Gentile in Christ = at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

"a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time:"


As I said brother,that takes place after the king of the norths goes forth to destroy and annihilate many in the middle east.

Daniel 11
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at[f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.


How many times does the United states armed forces have to go to war in the middle east before you figure out what they are doing here?
The US is not invading South America here.It is destroying all of Israels enemies.

 

[tailgator]

JESUS says the Tribulation is NOT limited to Israel/Jerusalem.

Where have you been Brother???

The Saints have been and are being persecuted worldwide and this will continue and gain momentum.
there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time:

The Saints are Jew & Gentile in Christ = at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

Do you believe the mark the beast had been given to everyone in the world?


This tribulation of the saints has not started yet.It begins after Benjamin netanyahu has his kingdom marked with his mark.
The persecution lasts 42 months and ends with the coming of Christ and the great tribulation.

Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.



This has not even started yet.