THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Ritajanice]

I own, a plethora of Bibles.
I can and do read and study and discuss Scripture with my Lord God and according to His Understanding am I continually content.


I do not require your copying and pasting and sending to me Scriptures from multitudes of Bibles that interest you.
I am not in agreement with you.

Glory to God,
Taken

I don’t need to own loads of bibles, all that scripture I posted, I understand in my spirit, I’m led by the Spirit not by owning a plethora of bibles..God found me and chose to bring my spirit Alive in Christ.

Born of the Spirit...Hallelujah and Praise His Holy Name.

No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Living Holy Spirit.
I’m 100% not in agreement with you either.

 

[Taken]

I’m trying to understand what this means?

all of one substance.

What do you mean all of one substance?

God isn’t a substance he’s a Spirit?

Terrestrials have a substance body your earthly eyes can see.

Celestials have body’s your earthly can not see.

1Cor 15:40
Col 1:15

 

[Scott Downey]

Terrestrials have a substance body your earthly eyes can see.

Celestials have body’s your earthly can not see.

1Cor 15:40
Col 1:15

They can though makes themselves visible when they want.

 

[Ritajanice]

Terrestrials have a substance body your earthly eyes can see.

Celestials have body’s your earthly can not see.

1Cor 15:40
Col 1:15

None of this proves that God Jesus Holy Spirit are 3 in one ..of the same substance.

 

[Wrangler]

The Bible teaches about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and that these three are "one".

What verse says that?

 

[Ritajanice]

They can though makes themselves visible when they want.

Only the Holy Spirit can make himself visible.

I’ve seen his light around a man..a Born Again man.

The Holy Spirit made himself known to others by showing his activity in the life of believers in the Old and New Testament. The Holy Spirit made is presence evident when he descended as a dove when Jesus was baptized. (John 1:32). The Holy Spirit empowered the old testament prophets to prophesy.

The Holy Spirit illuminates your mind and your spirit. As a guiding lamp, the Holy Spirit enables you to see with your spiritual sight. But you are not like that, for the Holy One has given you His Spirit, and all of you know the truth (1 John 2:20).

 

[Taken]

“God found me and chose to bring my spirit Alive in Christ.”

Fascinating…you had no say in the matter!

I’m 100% not in agreement with you either.

No issue, concern, effect or matter to me …

 

[Ritajanice]

Fascinating…you had no say in the matter!

That’s because you don’t understand chosen and predestined ..once were Born Again we are gifted with spiritual eyes and ears.we are gifted supernatural faith ..our spirit is Alive and clothed in the righteousness of Christ.,Spirit led children.

You don’t understand chosen and predestined . I don’t understand or even care to understand freewillers..

No issue, concern, effect or matter to me …

Good, I feel the same way about you.

 

[Scott Downey]

Only the Holy Spirit can make himself visible.

I’ve seen his light around a man..a Born Again man.

The Holy Spirit made himself known to others by showing his activity in the life of believers in the Old and New Testament. The Holy Spirit made is presence evident when he descended as a dove when Jesus was baptized. (John 1:32). The Holy Spirit empowered the old testament prophets to prophesy.

The Holy Spirit illuminates your mind and your spirit. As a guiding lamp, the Holy Spirit enables you to see with your spiritual sight. But you are not like that, for the Holy One has given you His Spirit, and all of you know the truth (1 John 2:20).

Angels appear, then disappear

Christ did too.

The Road to Emmaus​

13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was [e]seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.

17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you [f]walk and are sad?”

18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”

19 And He said to them, “What things?”

So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened. 22 Yes, and certain women of our company, who arrived at the tomb early, astonished us. 23 When they did not find His body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said He was alive. 24 And certain of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said; but Him they did not see.”

25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He [g]expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

The Disciples’ Eyes Opened​

28 Then they drew near to the village where they were going, and He [h]indicated that He would have gone farther. 29 But they constrained Him, saying, “Abide with us, for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.” And He went in to stay with them.

30 Now it came to pass, as He sat at the table with them, that He took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight.

 

[Scott Downey]

Luke 1:11
Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Born Again man that I saw the light around , which I believed to be the light of the Spirit, there is a story attached to that light that I saw, only I can’t share it, not yet anyway..

I have never seen any light like that from the Spirit since, that was over 33 yrs ago.

The light radiated Love and purity..my testimony.

 

[Aunty Jane]

OK auntjane - go for it - bring forth "Jesus never once directly mentioned."

Now, I’ve gotta say, that one brought a chuckle…..how do you bring forth something “Jesus never directly mentioned”….?

There are so many scriptures that contradict the trinity that it is incomprehensible to me how so many accept it without question on so little actual evidence…..inference interpreted as fact would never stand up in a court of law…..do you honestly believe that God’s law would require any less?

Did you know that our situation on earth since the fall, is actually one huge legal case? An accuser told lies about our Creator, making false claims about him and his motives…..accusing him of being remiss in his treatment of his children, and withholding something to which they were entitled….. and thereby slandering him.

The accuser was told to bring forth his witnesses and God would do the same….so God handed the world over to his accuser and told him to go for it, (Luke 4:5-7) confident that not all fallen humanity would allow his lies to penetrate their faith….no matter how hard the devil made it for them to be loyal to their God through the teachings of his son.

And here we are, almost at the end of the proceedings and we already know who wins and what the verdict will mean for the defeat of this slanderer…..the question is…will we be found accepting the devil’s lies as truth or will we be found like salmon swimming up stream whilst the whole of Christendom is a raging river going in the opposite direction? “Few” are on the road to life…the “many” are on a dead end super highway. (Matt 7:13-14)

Confidence is no indicator of truth…..the Jews were confident that Jesus was a false Messiah….Saul of Tarsus was confident in his persecution of that sect that was teaching heresy against Moses. It means nothing if you are misled.

One thing that Paul made clear is that those who are deluded, but blissfully happy in their deluded state would be permitted to keep it right to the end (2 Thess 2:9-12) .…unaware till the awful truth is declared….
”I NEVER KNEW YOU”….(Matt 7:21-23) Imagine hearing those words and knowing that you had confidence in what you were taught….but who taught those who taught you? How confident are you that they taught the truth? Being raised with certain beliefs from childhood, means that the indoctrination goes deep…like patriotism, it gets into the heart and is hard to shift.

It is good to explore the scriptures on all topics, but this one in particular is foundational…..that means that so much rides on its truthfulness…because if the trinity is false, then so is everything else that Christendom teaches and builds on it……it will all fall in a heap.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That indivisible unity between the 3 members of the trinity is intrinsic to Trinitarian belief. If you do not believe in that indivisible unity, a unity that can not be divided and in which no one member can separate from the other 2, then you are not a Trinitarian in the strict sense.

this is not true in the least.

don;t make up rules that do not exist just because you want your thinking to be supported.

 

[Taken]

They can though makes themselves visible when they want.

Yes.

God Is Spirit without Beginning.

God Created “Spirits” with a beginning, with powers… they have FREEWILL to use their powers to Do Good or Do evil.
They can Never Die.
They are invisible, most particularly to adult humans.
The can and do appear in the likeness of humans and inter act with humans.

I have a grand niece who regularly interacted and saw 3 angels when she was 3 yr old.
They told her they were angels, told her their names and read her story books to her until she fell asleep.
(She was the first born of my niece and husband. They had just moved into a huge 10,000+ sq home. She was afraid to be in her huge upper floor bedroom alone for nap & nightime sleep, but was made to stay in her room.)
My niece regularly checked on her and one day through the door heard her talking “to” and seemingly “answering questions”. My niece opened the door and asked who she was talking to. My g- niece, said my Angel friends and said their names. My niece asked where are they. My g-niece said right there pointing to what my niece could not see.

Same niece, same age had two other separate encounters with Spirits.
Once riding with her mother in a car trying to get her mother to look and see angels flying… mother looked, didn’t see, but noticed it was a cemetery she was driving past.

Once mother and friend in nieces home…sitting in sunroom Adjacent to living room. G-niece and friends 3 yr old in living room. Piano in living room began playing. Children stood by piano. Niece heard music and went into living room. Music stopped. Mother asked WHO was playing the piano. Both of the children answered John. Niece asked where is he. Both children pointed at the piano bench and said right there.

My niece had not taught her daughter of 3 yr old about God or angels, but was not surprised at her daughters remarks…nor was there issues of her daughter continuing to be afraid to be taken / Sent to her room for naps / sleep time.

My niece would sometimes say “we” best clean up your room in case your Angel friends come to visit you.

Off hand I only recall one of the Angels names…Dobba…. Spelled as a 3yr old spoke it.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Grailhunter]

The Roles of the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit​

The word Trinity cannot be found in the Bible, but the truth of it can. While there's only one God, the Godhead consists of three distinct persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All are equally omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, and unchanging, but each has unique functions.

The Roles of the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

While there's only one God, the Godhead consists of three distinct persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All are equally omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, and unchanging, but each has unique functions.

www.christianity.com

The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.

Before the 4th century early Christian writings did not subscribe to the three Gods in one formula for the Trinity. The first three Gods in one forumula was a contested doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. The word Trinity is not in the Bible and the interaction between Yahweh and Yeshua and how Yeshua refers to His Father does not support the three Gods in one formula.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Jesus Is Not God – Bible Verses​

Kermit Zarley​

Most Christians believe that Jesus was and is God. That is what the institutional church has taught. Christians professedly rely strongly on the Bible for this belief. Yet there is not a single verse in the Bible which states unequivocally, “Jesus is God,” or the like. Moreover, the New Testament (NT) gospels have no statement by Jesus in which he identifies himself as God. In fact, there are many Bible verses which indicate that Jesus cannot be God by declaring that only the Father is God or by distinguishing Jesus from God. Three irrefutable texts in the NT declare both of these points.

Jesus Himself Teaches that Only the Father is God​

First, and foremost, is one of Jesus’ sayings recorded only in the Gospel of John. The setting is the Last Supper, right before he was arrested and crucified. He prayed for his disciples, saying, “Father,… This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17.3). So, Jesus says of the Father that he is “the only true God” and then distinguishes himself from that one God. Both of these points clearly indicate that Jesus himself cannot also be God.

There are two other times the Johannine Jesus identified the Father as the only God. Earlier, he told his Jewish opponents that the Father is “the one and only God” (John 5.44). And again, at the Last Supper, Jesus distinguished himself from this one and only God by commanding his disciples, “believe in God, believe also in Me” (14.1).

Paul Teaches that Only the Father is God​

The other two NT passages which irrefutably establish that only the Father is God and distinguish Jesus from God are in Paul’s letters. He writes to the church at Corinth, “There is no God but one…. yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him” (1 Corinthians 8.4, 6). Here, Paul clearly declares that for Christians there is one God, who is the Father, and there is no other God, so that Jesus is not God.

Many traditionalist scholars cite this passage to support that Jesus preexisted, thus concluding that he was God. Yet in doing so, they often ignore its double declaration that there is only one God, who is the Father. Even if Jesus did preexist, this does not prove that he was God. Second Temple Judaism regarded that some righteous men preexisted, and Jews did not conclude that such preexistence indicated that they actually were God/gods.

The third irrefutable NT text which establishes that there is God, who is the Father, and distinguishes Jesus from God is in Paul’s letter to the Ephesians. He writes, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all” (Eph 4.4-6). Here, Paul implicitly identifies Jesus Christ as “one Lord” and distinguishes him from the “one God,” whom he unequivocally identifies as “the Father.” Paul is a unique author of NT literature in that he exclusively and consistently calls Jesus “Lord” and the Father “God.” Therefore, he never calls Jesus “God.”

So, these three NT passages—John 17.3; 1 Corinthians 8.4, 6; and Ephesians 4.4-6—establish without any doubt that only the Father is God, so that Jesus cannot be God.

Other Witnesses That Only the Father is God​

One of many other NT passages which confirm that Jesus is not God is his encounter with the rich young ruler. This man sincerely asked Jesus, “‘Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone’” (Mark 10.17-18/Luke 18.18-19; cf. Matthew 19.16-17).

Many Christians have been confused by this saying, thinking that Jesus implies that he himself is not good. Yet the NT often declares that Jesus was such a righteous man that he never sinned (Acts 3.14; 2 Corinthians 5.21; Hebrews 4.15; 7.26; 2 Peter 2.22).

Then what did Jesus mean when he said, “no one is good but God alone”? In the OT, Judaism, and especially Hellenistic theism, only the one God was considered “good” in an absolute sense. This must be what Jesus meant in this encounter. Humans were called “good” only in a derived sense, with God being recognized as the Source of goodness.

Many NT passages show that Jesus was not God. For instance, the NT often declares that God sent Jesus, God was with Jesus in his mission, and God raised him from the dead. Peter preached about “Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst” (Acts 2.22). Peter later proclaimed about “Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good, and healing all who were oppressed by the devil; for God was with Him” (10.38).

In the salutations of all ten of Paul’s NT letters he identifies God as the Father, distinguishes God from Jesus Christ, and he never mentions the Holy Spirit. He typically writes, “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” This evidence further affirms that only the Father is God and that Jesus is not God.

Moreover, the Bible contains several verses which state unambiguously that Jesus had a God, and most say his God was the Father. When Jesus hung upon the cross he quoted Psalm 22.1, crying out to the Father, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME” (Matthew 27.46/Mark 15.34). The day Jesus was resurrected, he said to Mary Magdalene, “I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God” (John 20.17). And three times the Apostle Paul writes about “the God and Father of our/the Lord Jesus (Christ)” (Romans 15.6; 2 Corinthians 1.3; 11.31; cf. Ephesians 1.17). Finally, the heavenly Jesus is quoted five times saying “My God” (Revelation 3.2, 12; cf. 1.6).

The Verse that Made Me Think​

The one verse that caused this author to first question whether Jesus is God is Jesus’ saying in his Olivet Discourse about the time of his return. He said, “But of that day and/or hour no one knows, not even the angels of/in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone” (Matthew 24.36/Mark 13.32). Since Jesus did not know the time of his return he could not have been God, for he reveals that God the Father did know it. Orthodox Christian theology has always insisted that God is omniscient, knowing everything, including everything about the future. Accordingly, Jesus could not have been God.

Any wonder some want to ‘accuse’ you of being a JW @Ritajanice …..these are our beliefs too.

 

[Ritajanice]

Any wonder some want to ‘accuse’ you of being a JW @Ritajanice …..these are our beliefs too.

I don’t care what they think, that commentary is excellent in proving imo, that Jesus is not God..100% it resonates with my spirit.

 

[Taken]

That’s because you don’t understand chosen and predestined

My spiritual understanding is neither, given me or measured by your understanding.

..once were Born Again we are gifted with spiritual eyes and ears.

So….in your natural human flesh body you SEE God as He IS and HEAR Gods VOICE?

Fascinating…
You should BE ABLE To Describe to the whole Forum …
* WHAT Gods Shape Looks Like and WHAT His Voice Sounds Like.

Will you Do That for ALL the curious who have Never Seen God as He Is or Heard His Voice….?

I don’t understand or even care to understand freewillers..

No issue or effect on me.

Good, I feel the same way about you.

I don’t think it is Good…but am willing to agree your will only affects you and my will only affects me….and “our” wills are at odds.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Perhaps the most interesting observation to help us understand the meaning of the entire suffix “-genes” (“-γενής”) in “monogenes” is to see other Greek words where this suffix exists. Notice how, when added to the prefix, in each case and without a single exception, “-genes” results in the meaning of “born, begotten”. All of the following are adjectives, just like “monogenes”:
homogenes (ὁμογενής): someone who was born together (“homo-”) with others: “of the same race or family”. Today, this word is used to mean those Greeks who were born outside of Greece (e.g., in the USA, Australia, Russia, or wherever else in the world) but belong to the Greek nation due to their Greek ancestry.

heterogenes (ἑτερογενής): the opposite of homogenes: born of a different (“hetero-”) race or family.

eugenes (εὐγενής): born of noble ancestry, hence: noble, an aristocrat. This is the root of the word “eugenics”, the study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding.

endogenes (ἐνδογενής): someone or something that has been generated from within (“endo-”) some greater whole; endogenous, inherent, intrinsic. A common use is in endogenes aitia = “intrinsic cause”.

engenes (ἐγγενής): similar to endogenes, it means “intrinsic”. Again, we can talk of an engenes aitia = intrinsic cause

thnisigenes (θνησιγενής): someone or something destined to die (“thnisi-”) no sooner than he/she/it is born. A thnisigenes child is one that is born but has such serious medical problems that the child cannot hope to avoid death. More often, this word is used metaphorically, for, e.g., an agreement: a thnisigenes symphonía (θνησιγενής συμφωνία) is an agreement destined to collapse soon after it is made.

diogenes (διογενής): born/sprung from Zeus. The true root of the word “Zeus” is “Dio-” (e.g., in the genitive case: Dios = of Zeus; a cognate of Theos = God, and of Latin Deus). This adjective was used as a flattering title for kings and princes. This was the origin of the name “Diogenes” (Διογένης, stressed on the penult).

protogenes (πρωτογενής): born originally, the initially born entity or cause.  gegenes (γηγενής): born in the land (ge-, γῆ = gaea), a native of the land.

Adding to the above list, we could write: monogenes (μονογενής): born as a single son or daughter, lacking siblings.”

Thank you for all that detail Brakelite, but it adds nothing to what I posted….”monogenes” means “an only child” in any sense of the word. The pre-human Jesus existed as “the son of God” from “the beginning” which is his beginning….
Rev 3:14…”the beginning of God’s creation”….
Col 1:15…”the firstborn of ALL creation”, making him part of that creation. Only one false doctrine invites tap dancing in the interpretation of those clear passages. Jesus is a son in every respect….the product of his Father who is also his God, even in heaven. (Rev 3:12)

This son is one of many that the Bible speaks about…angelic “sons of God”, but none are like the “firstborn” because none are the first and only direct creation of the Father. The son was used in the creation of everything else, both in heaven and in the material realm.

Col 1:15-17 and John 1:2-3 declare that the son was used as the agency “through” whom creation came. God created all things by means of his son…..it was God’s gift to him…created “through him and for him”.

 

[Ritajanice]

My spiritual understanding is neither, given me or measured by your understanding.

We must have the Holy Spirit residing in our spirit , we must be Born Again to understand his words that are in the Bible for his spirit children..do you understand that?..how else would I know I’m Born Again having never read a Bible...only the Living Spirit can testify that truth to my heart/ spirit?

So….in your natural human flesh body you SEE God as He IS and HEAR Gods VOICE?

Never said I see God, who do you think testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God?..what does that mean?

How do you know that God exists?
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You couldn’t possibly know that God exists with out his Living witness testifying that truth to my heart/ spirit..I became Born Again having never read a Bible.

Fascinating…
You should BE ABLE To Describe to the whole Forum

Do you understand this scripture?

John 3​

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

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* WHAT Gods Shape Looks Like and WHAT His Voice Sounds Like.

I never said I saw God..,why would I have to explain to you what his voice sounds like, has he never spoken to your sprit?
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, do you understand that?
Aren’t we spirit children?

The Bible doesn’t speak to my spirit, the Spirit does?

Will you Do That for ALL the curious who have Never Seen God as He Is or Heard His Voice….?

If you haven’t heard his voice then you are missing out, he testifies to my spirit all day every day that I’m his child?

I also know His Love in my spirit, he loves me 24/ 7..did you know that he loved you first, where do you think God loves us, in head or in our spirit?

He brings scripture to my understanding in my spirit?

That’s why we must be Born Of The Spirit to understand it?

Not all of scripture is for a Born Again, the Old Testament doesn’t apply to us, as we’re under the New Covenant.,,were also not under the law we’re under grace.

No issue or effect on me.

Psalms 25:14-15 Amplified Bible (AMP) The secret [of the wise counsel] of the LORD is for those who fear Him, And He will let them know His covenant and reveal to them [through His word] its [deep, inner] meaning.

Isaiah 55:11​

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11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it


Whose Living seed penetrated my spirit ,has taken up residence it came forth out of Gods mouth?

Where has Gods seed taken up residence in me?

I don’t think it is Good…but am willing to agree your will only affects you and my will only affects me….and “our” wills are at odds.

I was chosen and predestined to be a child of God..correct I had no say in the matter, was Born Of The Spirit exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemus..now go figure?

Would you like to discuss this scripture with me?

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord


Born Again of imperishable / incorruptible seed?

What in me has been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever?