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Ritajanice

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We’re you water baptized OR baptized in the Spirit?
Born Again ..are you Born Of The Spirit?
If so, What Name(S) we’re you baptized in?
I was Born Of The Spirit by = supernatural divine heart revelation?

How do you know that God exists?


Matt 28:
[19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in ]U]the name [/U]of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 2:
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in ]U]the name [/U]of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..God draws us to Jesus, God brings us to repentance / Godly sorrow, God brings us to initially believe in Jesus , then gifts us supernatural faith = by supernatural divine heart revelation.

Posting scripture does not birth our spirit, sorry.

Now let’s hear you living testimony.

Not bible quotes,,to be Born Of The Spirit then you must have a living testimony, that lines up with
scripture?..as it’s a Living spiritual rebirth.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Let’s hear your living testimony on how you know God?

By whose witness?...and where is this truth witnessed in us?
 
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Ritajanice

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Which part of Jesus was not Fully God…
Head? Arms? Legs?

HOW did Jesus become Gods Son?

That’s handy since CHRIST IS Gods Seed.
:rolleyes:
I’ve answered your questions..now you answer mine above please.

All of your questions have been answered by me on this thread, scroll back and you’ll find them.



Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Yes, and we’re both mature enough not to argue like children over it.
I am big on worship and church.
I worship with and active with several different denominations.
I am an educated theologian and don’t find any of them perfect.
Most denominations have accumulated too many man-made sins.
But I concentrate on loving Christians and enjoy standing with them and worship the Lord.
 

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I am big on worship and church.

I worship God at home.
I worship with and active with several different denominations.
May I ask which ones you worship with?
I am an educated theologian and don’t find any of them perfect.
None of them are perfect, even though God sees us through the righteousness of Christ, we still live in these old man bodies of sin.
Most denominations have accumulated too many man-made sins.
But I concentrate on loving Christians and enjoy standing with them and worship the Lord.
Lovely.
 

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You will like this here about the Angel of the Lord, how the Angel identifies Himself as God, and many times too.

“The angel of the Lord is God”? So you are saying that God is an angel now? :ummm:

And you get upperty when we suggest that the “son of God“ is an angel….not just “an angel” but “the Archangel Michael”….the commander of the angelic forces…….make up your mind….because God is who he is, was, and always will be. He is the Creator, the only eternal Being in existence. He created his firstborn son at some point in time that the Bible calls “the beginning“ (Rev 3:14)……an eternal God has no “beginning”….but his firstborn is the “heir“ of all that God gave him. The son also has “joint-heirs” so there is an inheritance that also awaits these ones. (Rom 8:17)
Does God give himself an inheritance along with them?

We know that “the meek will inherit the earth” as Jesus said….but what do the “saints” inherit?
What are the meek going to do here on the earth? Where are the saints in that picture?

Jesus is our High Priest (Heb 3:1)…..what was the role of the High Priest? It was a position of service to God…is God then his own High Priest?
If there is “one mediator between God and men”, (1 Tim 2:5-6) if Jesus is God, we would need a mediator between him and us as well….since a mediator is a person who facilitates communication between two estranged parties, he cannot be one of the parties.
Acts 4:27 says that Jesus is “God’s holy servant”….is God his own servant?

There is not a single direct statement that supports belief in a three headed god. The Jews would have had apperplexy if Jesus has claimed to be God incarnate….true grounds for blasphemy, not just claiming to be “the son of God”.

If you read John 10:31-36 in the Greek, you can see clearly what is being said. Yahweh is identified as “ho theos” whereas even human judges in Israel are identified as “theos”. Calling someone “theos” is not calling them Yahweh. Jesus said he was “the son of God” and we can take him at his word.

Only those who see through this false addition to later church doctrine shake their heads at the contradictions…..which remain unacknowledged in any conversation….you guys just keep repeating the same misinterpreted passages as if no one showed you the truth….so be it.

We make our choices and we have to be prepared for the consequences if we have been misled.
Jesus will let us all know soon enough.…but did you never wonder why Jesus separates “sheep” from “goats”….and not “sheep from pigs”?
Who are the goats? Both were clean animals under God’s law and suitable for food as well as for sacrifice. What makes one a sheep and one a goat in the eyes of the judge? Disobedience.

Sheep and goats make bleating sounds but you can tell them apart just by what they utter. Sheep are herding animals who seem to know instinctively that being in the middle of the flock means safety…..the stragglers around the fringes are fair game for animals seeking prey…..whereas goats are curious, stubborn and independent, likely to go off on their own and are left vulnerable.

Jesus knows which is which, but the goats have no idea until the judgment is passed that their worship was misdirected to a different god than the one Jesus and his apostles preached (Matt 7:21-23)….one who has never been identified in the written word, thereby breaking the first Commandment. (Ex 20:3) What was the one thing that Israel could never achieve? Obedience to the laws that God gave them. Embodied in the Ten Commandments was really all they needed to do.…yet their repeated disobedience merited God’s punishments. The one thing they did repeatedly was to adopt false religious beliefs and practices. An honest look at Christendom will reveal the same behavior….and will merit the same punishments.
 
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Seems strange that Pentecostals would not believe in the Spirit. Hello? - LOL
Maybe the Spirit of Christ?

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They believe that Jesus is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Oneness is not all that different than the Trinity except they say Jesus fills all the roles
 
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If you have ever been mistreated, you would know what I am talking about.
This is what the Spirit is teaching me at the moment...if you are in me, then mistreatment can’t touch you, because it comes from the old man, you understand this as you too go ahead of me at times and represent yourself..the old man.

What I’m now teaching you on this forum, is to stay in me and I will give you the words to say, I will also teach you when to stay quiet, I have sent you here to learn of me..remain in me and I will remain in you.

What I believe he is saying here Brother is, when you go ahead of me, then you will not be in me, you will be in your old man once again.,this has been/ is a great place to grow in spiritual maturity imo, can’t get enough of this place just lately.,


Just my thoughts.Brother.. hope you and family are well, lovely to see you
 
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I worship God at home.

May I ask which ones you worship with?

None of them are perfect, even though God sees us through the righteousness of Christ, we still live in these old man bodies of sin.

Lovely.
I worship at churches that have a good spirit and enthusiastic worship….big and small.
My favorites are Holy Ghost churches but the rest, Baptists, Methodists, non-denominationals---etc.
Most everything but Jehovah’s Witness or Calvinists.
 
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The followers of monotheistic religion who claimed to know God, crucified God's Son = the LORD of Glory.
They did this because they were monotheistic.

The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy,
and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” -
John 10:33
Read that whole passage in Greek, David (John 10:31-36)….there are no capital letters in Greek, so there is no “God” with a capital “G”. They accused him of claiming to be divine, not God. (”theos”, not “ho theos”) They wanted to convict him so as to have an excuse to have him executed. They knew he wasn’t claiming to be God, but claiming to be God’s son….which is all he ever said.
 
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I worship at churches that have a good spirit and enthusiastic worship….big and small.
My favorites are Holy Ghost churches but the rest, Baptists, Methodists, non-denominationals---etc.
Most everything but Jehovah’s Witness or Calvinists.
Have you heard of Kings church?
 

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And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; ”
Revelation 3:14 KJV
It says what it says….why question a clear unequivocal statement?
The last one above is used by JWs as meaning Jesus to be the first creature created. But elsewhere in the NT, the scripture is clear. The Son of God was begotten. Not created as were the angels, not adopted as sinful man, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of His Majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. ”
Perhaps we need to explore the word “begotten” to clear up this misinterpretation?
The word is “monogenes” and as it indicates, “mono” means singular.

Strongs defines “monogenes” as….
  1. single of its kind, only
    1. used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
    2. used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God”

So the son of God is a singular being….one of a kind.…unique as a first and only direct creation of his Father.

This word is not unique to Christ however, but is used elsewhere in Scripture to identify “an only child”.
If you recall two of the resurrections performed by Jesus personally, both involved children who were described as “only begotten” (monogenes). On another occasion, a man with a demon possessed son said he was his “only begotten“. (Luke7:11-12; 8:41-42; 9:38)
Abraham referred to Isaac as his “only begotten son”. (Heb 11:17)
Claiming that it means something else to support a false belief, is without foundation.

All of those “begotten“ had fathers who “begat” them and who necessarily existed before them.
 
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Not the question I asked. What is this ’person’s name?

Don’t you find it odd that the Bible makes a big deal about people name, changes their name, YHWH is God’s eternal name Ex 3:15, yet this person, who is supposedly fully God has no name?
Maybe Fred, or George?

Whatever you like.

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St. SteVen said:

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him,
because it neither sees him nor knows him.
But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you
Works equally well ‘this’. Houtos.
Really?

the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept THAT,
because it neither sees THAT nor knows THAT.
But you know THAT, for THAT lives with you and will be in you

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St. SteVen said:

John 16:7
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away.
Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go,
I will send him to you.

The Advocate is the Holy Spirit.

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The Spirit is Gods seed, so how can he be fully God?

Jesus is Gods seed so how can he be fully God, if he came from the seed of God?

They came from God, therefore how can they be fully God ?

Plus the Spirit indwells our spirit @St. SteVen ..God almighty can’t indwell our spirit can he..but, his seed does?
 
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St. SteVen said:

John 16:7
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away.
Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go,
I will send him to you.

The Advocate is the Holy Spirit.

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The advocate is the “paraklētos” defined as….
“summoned, called to one's side, esp. called to one's aid
  1. one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate
  2. one who pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor”.
Greek is also a language that has gender assigned to even inanimate things. (like French)
paraklētos is a masculine noun in Greek and so attracts masculine pronouns…..we all know about pronouns now don’t we?

The Holy Spirit is used by God in many ways but it is not a person.
 

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The Spirit is Gods seed, so how can he be fully God?

Jesus is Gods seed so how can he be fully God, if he came from the seed of God?

They came from God, therefore how can they be fully God ?

Plus the Spirit indwells our spirit @St. SteVen ..God almighty can’t indwell our spirit can he..but, his seed does?
Can you support this seed idea biblically?

The Trinity was pre-existent from the beginning. (sort of)
There is no seed except the Son of Man. (Jesus the half-human) The only begotten of the Father.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 NIV
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit,
guaranteeing what is to come.

Ephesians 1:13-14 NIV
... When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—
to the praise of his glory.

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