THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[RLT63]

What do you believe in?

I enjoyed your posts at the beginning of this thread but I'm not sure where you stand

 

[Scott Downey]

If Satan is chained his chain is too long

Maybe just virtual! Flowery language, not reality. Plain old poetry. Not useful for doctrine.
I heard that.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Trinity doctrine is standard in Christian theology. It has been since the early church codified it.
It is strange to be on a topic where Christians claim it to be untrue, as if it is some new idea.

It’s not biblical plus I’m Born Again.,Christian..... Only makes sense as in a Christ follower...

I’m Born Again..

Trinitarians have presented plenty of biblical support. Not really fair to claim the Trinity has no biblical basis. (pet peeve of mine)

Imo, no they haven’t.

There is biblical support for all three views.
I don't think we should claim that the views of others are not biblical simply because we happen to disagree.

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The word trinity is not in the Bible..therefore I rebuke it, in the Name Of Jesus.

 

[RLT63]

Jesus was Born to Mary, he grew up to adulthood, then was anointed to do the will of the Father.

@Grailhunter have you any idea what age that Jesus was anointed and how long did his ministry last...?

Most say he was 30 and his ministry was 3 years

 

[David in NJ]

I left a church I had been going to for over 10 years once, as I was more interested in Truth than they were. Yes, it is complicated. If you know what full preterist is, you might agree with me. The new pastor was such, and I objected, and then decided I did not want to be associated with a church where the leadership supported that teaching. I thought it especially bad as he was the former youth pastor and had been teaching the kids that for several years, including my 2 kids, and none of the adult people I knew there were aware of this.

He taught them there was no sudden destruction coming at the return of Christ, the world was just getting better and better over time with all the new technologies coming out. Believing anything about a coming antichrist or beast government was just too scary and all of revelation, all of it happened in 70AD. And when Christ returned everyone would be a Christian, and the reason Christ had not yet returned was the church was lazy and not converting the entire world. And none of that church leadership had any problem with that.

I say this because it is hard to leave a church where you have been going a long time and have friends and family there, and a JW would be shunned if they said they believed in the Trinity as Truth. People make decisions and the people I talked with said it dd not matter as it was not a salvation issue, so they did not care.

Completely understand your decision Scott and would be by your side walking out if i were there.

i have left quite a few churches because they all are more concerned with keeping error/church politics then with seeking TRUTH

TRUTH is what sets us us free, thus the statements of MESSIAH:
IAM the Way the Truth and the Life
Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God
I will send the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, who will lead/guide you into all Truth according as "It is written"

SHALOM Brother Scott

 

[Scott Downey]

Oneness theology

Oneness Pentecostalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ritajanice]

The Baptism of Jesus
(Mark 1:9–11; Luke 3:21–22; John 1:29–34)

13At that time Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.14But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?”

15“Let it be so now,” Jesus replied. “It is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness in this way.” Then John permitted Him.

16As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened,d and He sawe the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. 17And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”

 

[David in NJ]

It’s not biblical plus I’m Born Again.,Christian..... Only makes sense as in a Christ follower...

I’m Born Again..

Imo, no they haven’t.

The word trinity is not in the Bible..therefore I rebuke it, in the Name Of Jesus.

Good Morning @Ritajanice

It is not faith to disavow the words of Elohim

Looking for the word 'trinity' instead of looking for the Word that was God in the Beginning and His Truth will leave you misinformed.

Unbelief always comes against "It is written" and even will use scripture against scripture which does not come from the Holy Spirit.

Why did the LORD Jesus Christ speak of Himself as God, His Father as God and the Holy Spirit as God if it were not TRUTH.

Run away from the camp of doubters and SEEK to know who the "Us/Our/Our" are from Genesis chapter 1

 

[David in NJ]

There are many assumptions being made to sustain such an idea. Sons of God are not always angels. The faithful descendants of Adam were sons (and daughters) of God. The unfaithful children of Cain were the daughters (and sons) of the devil. Christ spoke to the spirits of men who were in bondage of sin in Noah's day. He spoke through Noah, just as He did through all the prophets. It is assumption to speak of illicit relations between angels and men. All men were giants in those days compared to today. Just as the life span diminished because of sin and improper diet and lifestyle, so also did their stature. Archaeological finds confirm giant 12 foot skeletons from that period. They weren't half angels. Just men. Certain genetic traits of great size continued after the flood. They weren't half angels either. Angels cannot become men. They cannot deny what they are. That's worse than gender fluidity. And more nonsensical. The Greek myths of half animals and half men are more believable.

P.S. - i do not go by assumptions

Follow the Path to Discovery, which you already know, "It is written"

SHALOM

 

[David in NJ]

The Baptism of Jesus
(Mark 1:9–11; Luke 3:21–22; John 1:29–34)

13At that time Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.14But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?”

15“Let it be so now,” Jesus replied. “It is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness in this way.” Then John permitted Him.

16As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened,d and He sawe the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. 17And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”

Excellent and clear profound "Trinity" scripture - thank you

 

[Taken]

Ready - Set - Let's Go

Since God the FATHER cannot have sin in His Presence, who was the mediator between God and man BEFORE Jesus???

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Multiple Names, Titles, Descriptions.
THE: He:
Shining Star
Angel of the LORD
Secret Name
Lord of the LORD
Light
Maker
Word
Truth
Way
Life
Wonderful
Father
Son of Man
Nazarene
Jew
Lord
Teacher
Rabbi
Master
Anointed
Good
Just
Spirit of Truth
Mediator
Shepherd
House of king David
Lion of Judah
Wisdom
Power
Giver
Taker
With
Without
Within
Without
Lamb
Omnipotent
Son of God
Seed of God
Preparer
Counsellor
Prince of Peace
Righteous
Holy
Good
Sinless
Divider
Separator
Reconciler
Descendent of Abraham
Humbled Servant
Intercessor
Converter
Judge
Quickener
Comforter
Head of His Church
Kingdom Government Ruler
Savior
Salvation
KING
LORD
Bright Shining Star
Eternal
Without beginning
Without ancestors
Without descendants
Without ending
Mighty God
Lord God Almighty


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[RLT63]

The Baptism of Jesus
(Mark 1:9–11; Luke 3:21–22; John 1:29–34)

13At that time Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.14But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?”

15“Let it be so now,” Jesus replied. “It is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness in this way.” Then John permitted Him.

16As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened,d and He sawe the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. 17And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”

And there you have the Father's voice from Heaven, the Son being baptized and the Holy Spirit descending like a dove

 

[David in NJ]

And there you have the Father's voice from Heaven, the Son being baptized and the Holy Spirit descending like a dove

The most explicit and clear TRIFECTA of scripture on Elohim

 

[Ritajanice]

Good Morning @Ritajanice

It is not faith to disavow the words of Elohim

Have no idea what this means.,I will look it up, thanks, no need to explain.

Looking for the word 'trinity' instead of looking for the Word that was God in the Beginning and His Truth will leave you misinformed.

Jesus was predestined to come into the world...he came from the seed of God..he was not fully God.

Unbelief always comes against "It is written" and even will use scripture against scripture which does not come from the Holy Spirit.

That’s your opinion again.

Why did the LORD Jesus Christ speak of Himself as God, His Father as God and the Holy Spirit as God if it were not TRUTH.

He did not say that he was fully God.

Run away from the camp of doubters and SEEK to know who the "Us/Our/Our" are from Genesis chapter 1

Thanks for your opinion David..i don’t agree with it.

 

[Ritajanice]

And there you have the Father's voice from Heaven, the Son being baptized and the Holy Spirit descending like a dove

Indeed..the Fathers voice.,he did not come down as he is and indwelled Jesus,

He anointed him, with his power through his Holy Spirit.

Jesus was not God he was his anointed Son.

 

[Ritajanice]

Excellent and clear profound "Trinity" scripture - thank you

The Spirit Of God it says..not God himself as he is came down.

 

[David in NJ]

Have no idea what this means.,I will look it up, thanks, no need to explain.

Jesus was predestined to come into the world...he came from the seed of God..he was not fully God.

That’s your opinion again.

He did not say that he was fully God.

Thanks for your opinion David..i don’t agree with it.

Jesus.....he came from the seed of God..he was not fully God.

That’s your opinion that contradicts "It is written"

He did not say that he was fully God.

JESUS said many things about Himself, His Father and the Holy Spirit and never refuted where and from Whom HE came.
He never refuted that He and His FATHER are ONE and Jesus said this along WITH the Holy Spirit = 3

DIRECT statement of TRUTH = The Word that was with God in the beginning also was God = the Word became flesh = Immanuel

Since you do not know what this means you have slidden into the man-made doubt system by speaking against the TRUTH

Opinions may or may not be TRUTH
Just as the Lord Jesus Christ gave His opinions for us to believe in.
The FATHER the SON the HOLY SPIRIT are very Opinionated.

 

[Ritajanice]

And there you have the Father's voice from Heaven, the Son being baptized and the Holy Spirit descending like a dove

That ain’t the whole of God that came down though was it?

The Spirit came down..nowhere does it say that the whole almighty God down from Heaven...Jesus wa an anointed Son, led by God to do his will, he took his orders from his Spirit Father.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
The Trinity doctrine is standard in Christian theology. It has been since the early church codified it.
It is strange to be on a topic where Christians claim it to be untrue, as if it is some new idea.

There is biblical support for all three views.

It’s not biblical plus I’m Born Again.,Christian..... Only makes sense as in a Christ follower...

I'm sorry, but that is intellectual dishonesty to claim that Trinitarianism is unbiblical.
Tons of biblical support has been provided.
I don't think we should claim that the views of others are not biblical simply because we happen to disagree.

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[RLT63]

That ain’t the whole of God that came down though was it?

The Spirit came down..nowhere does it say that the whole almighty God down from Heaven...Jesus wa an anointed Son, led by God to do his will, he took his orders from his Spirit Father.

We're told that the Fathers voice was heard, not that he came down